Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Should we have spent 300m more before expecting to beat the likes of Rochdale comfortably? Even they had a distinct style of play ffs.

There is absolutely no style of play, no cohesion between the players. We look clueless in the final third.

Worst part is we seem to be regressing.
 
Sky1981 said:
This stupid idea needs to die.

You appoint a manager so bad he needs to get sacked as a DOF, you know... the man who oversee the next manager, create the phylosophy, and actually tells the next manager who to buy, how to play, etc.

As if being a DOF is all about being Nice
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Agree. It's like the people want him around the club by any possible means. Kinda weird.
 
Whatever you say about him, he's massively handicapped by his piss poor squad.
 
Buying EPL proven players is hardly a recipe of brilliance. It's extremely expensive but relatively safe way to conduct business. James was a gamble. However ole himself said that he signed him out of Giggsie's recommendation
 
I never was Ole in at the first place and I am still baffled how anyone thought he could be a long term solution.
Really cannot say if he is the worse manager or Moyes.
After all I start to think we should have kept LvG for another year or 2 trying to build some kind of foundation and use the time to talk to the right manager.

What really irritates me is Ole‘s behavior. There is no urgency. Not at the side line nor in the interviews. Other managers would completely go nuts when witnessing such a shit show on the pitch.
 
Dec9003 said:
Martial started the season upfront, no?
Lukaku scored 12 premier league goals last season, less than half of 25.
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Yeah the Lukaku revisionism is starting to get annoying. He was crap last season.

However, there’s surely no doubt that his massive “bulking up” significantly contributed to his crapness. Jose did nothing about it at the start of the season, but there was nothing to stop Ole getting him back into shape, rather than simply giving up on him.

Maybe there was other stuff going on that we don’t know about, but that was what it looked like.
 
Sky1981 said:
This stupid idea needs to die.

You appoint a manager so bad he needs to get sacked as a DOF, you know... the man who oversee the next manager, create the phylosophy, and actually tells the next manager who to buy, how to play, etc.

As if being a DOF is all about being Nice
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Exactly. The nostalgia with some people is ridiculous, we don't need the ghosts of our ex players to hang around, we need to move on. I also don't understand why our retiring players get the assistant coaching job so easily, we are one of the biggest clubs we don't need amateurs as coaches.
 
I guess the Glazers didn't back him enough to play quality football Vs Rochdale?
 
In Rainbows said:
They got to go for an upcoming progressive manager like Marco Rose, Nagelsmann, etc... We seem to always pick dinosaurs.
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Yeah. Enough with past it managers or managers who aren't good enough, we should be hiring managers who are on the rise, someone who isn't afraid to set his team to play on front foot.
 
Don't think Ole is up to it, but if he had a great support network around him he might get away with it. Unfortunately for him he hasn't. Someone who was a failed manager and coached years ago, a rookie coach and someone who is used to coaching kids. How did they expect that to work?
There will be people on here who can remember the post Sir Matt days and how that went. They used to spend money then, every flavour of the month striker used to end up at OT and look where it got us.
 
Kag said:
I’m not defending that performance. But I’m still prepared to wait out the season. I certainly didn’t defend Mourinho and Moyes either. But this squad is seriously poor and Ole needs time to sort it out.

We have one good midfielder at the club. There isn’t a manager around that can guarantee the sort of creativity we clearly want to see.
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Ole and the board have let us go into this season with this squad. Ole has to take some of the blame for some of it. Could you imagine some other managers being so placid about the situation? He has let the board convince him that they couldn't find players for him. If he thought Sean Longstaff was the answer then Ole really needs his head examining. If he is taking advise off an inexperience coach in Michael Carrick then it will cost him his job. This is precisely why we needed a DOF. Not a United old boy, but a top class experienced DOF.
 
Random Task said:
We haven't had the exact same players, no, but the majority of LVG's and Jose's signings were still playing for the club come the end of last season. This squad is very much the work of LVG and Jose, which has been lumbered on to Ole.

Ole clearly isn't a top level coach and he isn't capable getting this lot to perform, but I genuinely question wheher there is a manager in the game today capable of getting more from this squad.
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I agree about the squad, but the likes of Young and Lingard should have been the first out of the door, yet he had a bee in his bonnet about Lukaku and Sanchez. The time it took getting rid of them derailed our transfer window completely. It is his and the boards fault we have three strikers and at the moment just one. It is their fault we do not have a functioning midfield.
 
tenpoless said:
"Love Ole more than my own child" brigade, where are you now? loving your child back?
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I'm still here. You know, I'm happy to place blame on the players on the pitch that they cant capitalize on the scoring chances we create. That's on the players and lack of their quality.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Don't think Ole is up to it, but if he had a great support network around him he might get away with it. Unfortunately for him he hasn't. Someone who was a failed manager and coached years ago, a rookie coach and someone who is used to coaching kids. How did they expect that to work?
There will be people on here who can remember the post Sir Matt days and how that went. They used to spend money then, every flavour of the month striker used to end up at OT and look where it got us.
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If the Doc hadnt have got sacked he was moving in the right direction. I reckon we would have won the league under him.
 
dwd said:
Funnily enough everyone thought they were great when we went on that 13 winning run or whatever it was. Or was that all the managers brilliance?
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Think a lot of it was relief that Jose had gone and new manager bounce. Then the injuries kicked in and we found out which players made the team function.
 
Kag said:
He’s here for the long haul. Quite rightly, too. Get used to it. The playing squad is very poor, albeit the last few performances have been terrible, injuries notwithstanding.

Hopefully the (largely hopeless) moderators on this forum will clamp down on the unnecessary personal abuse directed at a club legend. It’s terrible in some instances.
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How about you report some of these posts rather than complaining in the thread?
 
wolvored said:
If the Doc hadnt have got sacked he was moving in the right direction. I reckon we would have won the league under him.
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I watched a programme on BT the other week about when United went down and I am inclined to agree with you. Some of the football they played was fabulous and he brought young players into the side. Two wingers in Hill and Coppell. A commanding captain in Martin Buchan, a clinical striker in Stuart Pearson.
 
Random Task said:
Apprently we do.



I don't think Ole is good enough to manage our club, at least not successfully, but at the same time I don't think any manager can step in and improve the overal ability of the squad. The truth is they aren't good enough.

Remember that the very same players we've seen under Ole (apart from the summer signings who have been our best players to date) performed to an identical low standard under the highly decorated and significantly more experienced Jose Mourinho. The same lack of penetration, cohesion, energy and attacking patterns were as prevalent under Jose and LVG as they are today under Ole.

Do you not see a pattern here lads?
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The manager is not good enough, the coaches are not good enough, the recruiting network is not good enough. The squad is definitely not good enough. The trimming of deadwood should have started with Jose. He got rid of some players, but somehow the likes of Jones, Lingard and Young are still here. How has that happened? Who thought Andreas Pereira was good enough for Manchester United? The decision making at this club is atrocious.
 
roonster09 said:
Yeah. Enough with past it managers or managers who aren't good enough, we should be hiring managers who are on the rise, someone who isn't afraid to set his team to play on front foot.
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Finally converting I see :drool:

He’s going to leave the squad in worse state than Mourinho.

Bare boned, ill coached, ill prepared.
 
redIndianDevil said:
Ole out now. Its fecking ridiculous how there are supporters for every incompetent manager. It's really pathetic to see people go on about lack of players when we couldn't even win against a fecking league 1 side.
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Seem to remember home defeats against a league 1 leeds united one sunday morning, defeat to zaleagersaeg or whatever they were called in a champions league qualifier, 0 - 0 draw at home to exeter, and others i’m sure I’m forgetting under the second coming of christ. We won last night no? Agree the juries out on Ole but its one cup game and we did win, we are in round 4 if I am correct?
 
One would expect a performance like that if the players hadn't trained for weeks and had no manager. You don't need a manager and training sessions to play in this way against Rochdale.
 
I am sorry but i just can't understand what we are doing last 9-10 months on trainings. I didn't expect super free flowing attacking football or tiki-taka football but we look like a pub club on the pitch. No plan whatsoever. I said many times, i would not blame Ole for results if we look like a team, if we have some style, plan or something.
I played yesterday 5 a side football. I play it 2 times per week with my crew and i swear, we look more as a team than United against Rochdale or WH. :lol:. Yes, i know it sounds like huge overreaction but it really looks like that to me
 
Enigma_87 said:
Finally converting I see :drool:

He’s going to leave the squad in worse state than Mourinho.

Bare boned, ill coached, ill prepared.
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There is nothing to covert. I just go by what i see and even before the start of the season I said minimum expectation is top 4.

I don't think he will leave squad in worse state. No matter which manager we will hire, they won't be fully backed because of blaoted squad. Greenwood will be first team player. Ole did what was needed, reduce the squad size and offload underperforming players. Now atleast we should have sqaud slots for new players and also we have reduced the average age of the team.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
I never was Ole in at the first place and I am still baffled how anyone thought he could be a long term solution.
Really cannot say if he is the worse manager or Moyes.
After all I start to think we should have kept LvG for another year or 2 trying to build some kind of foundation and use the time to talk to the right manager.

What really irritates me is Ole‘s behavior. There is no urgency. Not at the side line nor in the interviews. Other managers would completely go nuts when witnessing such a shit show on the pitch.
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Kept LVG another year or two??
You either weren't attending the games at that time or you have forgotten the misery of watching us "attack" at that time.

We have serious problems on and off the pitch.....keeping LVG was never a solution.
 
Hawks2008 said:
We had an awesome chance after Jose was sacked to properly plan our season. Ole as the interim was fine, and we had 6 months to decide on our transfer target and find the right coach to rebuild us. Then PSG happened and Woody thought he struck oil with Ole.

Such a shame we have wasted yet another season before it's even really gotten going.
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The problem with a lot of people is that they cannot separate Ole the playing legend from Ole the manager. That if they criticise him they will be struck with a thunderbolt. It is fine to criticise him. He is not doing his job properly. That will never take anything away from his legendary status as a player. The minute the board gave him the job permanently they started this downward spiral. They have to take the major blame.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
That strikes me the most. How young(ish) manager can have this rigid football philosophy?
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Tbf he doesn't have rigid philosophy. We have messed up the squad additions, we don't have midfield to control the game and if we play Pogba deeper then we won't have attacking mid who is good enough, Ultimately everything is on Ole but he doesn't have rigid philosophy.
 
People were saying that Ole loves this club so much and he will leave if things go bad. I think that he will never ever do that. You don't leave your dream job and especially if you think that you can fix it( and of course that every coach thinks that he can make things to work because it is very very hard for every person to admit that you are not good enough for something).
 
DomesticTadpole said:
The problem with a lot of people is that they cannot separate Ole the playing legend from Ole the manager. That if they criticise him they will be struck with a thunderbolt. It is fine to criticise him. He is not doing his job properly. That will never take anything away from his legendary status as a player. The minute the board gave him the job permanently they started this downward spiral. They have to take the major blame.
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Problem is not criticizing Ole the manager, problem is always calling him silly names. Every fan rate manages differently, that's why we always have arguments but some bumbfeck calling him donkey, cretin is just pathetic.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
People were saying that Ole loves this club so much and he will leave if things go bad. I think that he will never ever do that. You don't leave your dream job and especially if you think that you can fix it( and of course that every coach thinks that he can make things to work because it is very very hard for every person to admit that you are not good enough for something).
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People have weird fantasy stories, they also said if players love the club then they shouldn't ask for big wages.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
People were saying that Ole loves this club so much and he will leave if things go bad. I think that he will never ever do that. You don't leave your dream job and especially if you think that you can fix it( and of course that every coach thinks that he can make things to work because it is very very hard for every person to admit that you are not good enough for something).
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Yeah and besides from a financial POV, I'm sure it's better for him to be sacked than leave.

roonster09 said:
There is nothing to covert. I just go by what i see and even before the start of the season I said minimum expectation is top 4.

I don't think he will leave squad in worse state. No matter which manager we will hire, they won't be fully backed because of blaoted squad. Greenwood will be first team player. Ole did what was needed, reduce the squad size and offload underperforming players. Now atleast we should have sqaud slots for new players and also we have reduced the average age of the team.
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That's still expecting too much no ?
 
roonster09 said:
Tbf he doesn't have rigid philosophy. We have messed up the squad additions, we don't have midfield to control the game and if we play Pogba deeper then we won't have attacking mid who is good enough, Ultimately everything is on Ole but he doesn't have rigid philosophy.
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Maybe wrong choice of words. I meant that most of managers of new generation tend to play attacking modern football with lots of quick short passes. Seems to me that Ole likes more cautios football. Strong at the back and protect your goal first
 
roonster09 said:
There is nothing to covert. I just go by what i see and even before the start of the season I said minimum expectation is top 4.

I don't think he will leave squad in worse state. No matter which manager we will hire, they won't be fully backed because of blaoted squad. Greenwood will be first team player. Ole did what was needed, reduce the squad size and offload underperforming players. Now atleast we should have sqaud slots for new players and also we have reduced the average age of the team.
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Still you finally see he's out of his depth here and another season is lost due to his planning in the Summer?

Squad is at worse state. We have no senior attackers, players like Rashford, Martial will pick up lot of injuries since they will be ran to the ground. Midfield is non existent, no top 4 means no top players wanting to join us next Summer apart for money. Whoever comes in again will need 2-3 years to fix his mess.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Still you finally see he's out of his depth here and another season is lost due to his planning in the Summer?

Squad is at worse state. We have no senior attackers, players like Rashford, Martial will pick up lot of injuries since they will be ran to the ground. Midfield is non existent, no top 4 means no top players wanting to join us next Summer apart for money. Whoever comes in again will need 2-3 years to fix his mess.
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Lukaku won't be of much use if we want to hire any progressive manager, not sure how we will miss any player who are gone. Only problem is replacement, if we sack Ole this season then obviously new manager will have a choice to sign the CF he wants.

Squad is in worse state not because of Ole, it's the work done by few managers in the past and the result is the accumulation of all the poor work done before. We had 6 or 7 CBs, it's probably as many as Liverpool+ City combined.

Edit: I didn't say Ole will be a huge success, I always said we should judge him next season when he can sign the players he want and also preseason to work with the team. That's a fair chance for any manager.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Maybe wrong choice of words. I meant that most of managers of new generation tend to play attacking modern football with lots of quick short passes. Seems to me that Ole likes more cautios football. Strong at the back and protect your goal first
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I don't think that's what he wants, I think he is not capable of translating what he wants into performances. He won't be the first or last one either. Getting what you want from the team is what makes coach/manager very good, that's the most important attribute, something at which Ole is failing.
 
roonster09 said:
Lukaku won't be of much use if we want to hire any progressive manager, not sure how we will miss any player who are gone. Only problem is replacement, if we sack Ole this season then obviously new manager will have a choice to sign the CF he wants.

Squad is in worse state not because of Ole, it's the work done by few managers in the past and the result is the accumulation of all the poor work done before. We had 6 or 7 CBs, it's probably as many as Liverpool+ City combined.
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Still Lukaku was an asset that was worth 80m or something. If a proper manager took over in the summer as you said he would have brought in a replacement. Leaving the squad barebones is absolutely on him.

No midfield reinforcement is also on him. Very unbalanced squad and the whole budget blown on defenders. He will most likely finish the lowest since Fergie retired and deservedly so.
 
roonster09 said:
Amazing how many manager appointments we have fecked up. Might take long time before we get the right one.
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I was one of the first to want van Gaal out, but I think he was a decent appointment. Someone to come in and coach an actual style of play, which he did. His methods were outdated, and the end result was bad, but the ideas were there. We actually went into every game - regardless of the level of opposition - wanting to inflict our style on them.

His sacking was completely fair, but hiring José squandered all of his work in getting us to become a possession based team. It set us back years again in the long haul.

What we should've done was hire a manager who had the same beliefs in possession football, but was more progressive and up-to-date than van Gaal to build on what he had already coached. If we had done that instead of going for short term success in José, I think we'd be in a much better position right now.
 
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