I hope he does well. And it will take time. But I think results will ultimately get him the sack. If we finish mid table, spend big in the summer and start badly then he will have to go, and he will be lucky if he gets that long. I believe he’s tactically inept and all his has to offer is “the United way” but doesn’t have the skills to apply it, whether that be tactics or motivation. He lacks it all I believe. I don’t even think he has the players full respect.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Still think it's Moyes
That’s it, I’m convinced Ole deserves at least 5 more years.
They didn't, just made up BS. Checked their team tonight compared to their 6-0 defeat, almost identical.
Not a chance, Moyes is a far better manager than Ole.
I edited my post to avoid a quote like this but it was too late.
Moyes had more experience at this level. It's a toss up, I'll give you, but there was more of a logical argument that you could make for Moyes being Utd manager than Ole, who'd achieved nothing in this country as a manager.
Even if it was true it made absolutely no sense hence my disbelief at the comment
I did. Multiple times.
The main point was that he was:
1. Inexperienced (imagine that being a good point).
2. Knows the club
3. Compared to Klopp and Pep for who knows whatever reasons.
The main objection of us appointing a good manager is that we made wrong appointments so far. Which was mental in the first place.
Out of his depth, I knew this would happen sooner or later. He’s just not a good manager period.
Why we didn’t wait until the end of the season to appoint a manager, is real incompetence from Woodward. Saying that there was a lot of pressure and a lot of fans including many on the cafe that wanted him appointed.
It’s just all a mess which let’s be honest it has been post Fergie. It will take years to gut this squad and no fans or board are going to put up with years of below par performances.
I don’t even think I trust ole to gut the squad he gave contracts to jones, young and mata plus he loves lingard and rashford. I mean what hope have we got, it’s just all depressing as feck
Why we didn’t wait until the end of the season to appoint a manager, is real incompetence from Woodward. Saying that there was a lot of pressure and a lot of fans including many on the cafe that wanted him appointed.
It’s just all a mess which let’s be honest it has been post Fergie. It will take years to gut this squad and no fans or board are going to put up with years of below par performances.
I don’t even think I trust ole to gut the squad he gave contracts to jones, young and mata plus he loves lingard and rashford. I mean what hope have we got, it’s just all depressing as feck
Didn’t think it was possible for us to hire a manager worse than Moyes.
Anyway, I believe I was the first to saw this coming. A lot of fans was blinded by the honeymoon period, but I saw through that. You can look at all my post during that time as evidence. Ole is not the right manager at United because his philosophy will not take us anywhere. As I got Ole future failure correct, I m 100% certain that Mauricio Pochettino is the only manager out there that is available that can take United back to the top of Europe. If Woodward gets the next managerial appointment wrong, I fear that it will do much more damage than our past managers has already done. I don’t know why we can’t hire a progressive manager with a great cv and philosophy.
Anyway, I believe I was the first to saw this coming. A lot of fans was blinded by the honeymoon period, but I saw through that. You can look at all my post during that time as evidence. Ole is not the right manager at United because his philosophy will not take us anywhere. As I got Ole future failure correct, I m 100% certain that Mauricio Pochettino is the only manager out there that is available that can take United back to the top of Europe. If Woodward gets the next managerial appointment wrong, I fear that it will do much more damage than our past managers has already done. I don’t know why we can’t hire a progressive manager with a great cv and philosophy.
Football has moved on a lot since then, no top club is that patient these days.
He has 32 games to change your mind
This absurd argument always comes up but this time it is well and truly out of place, Ole is not a PL level manager, let alone someone who’s worthy to be in charge of a club like Man United.
We have never ever been this under coached, we are in a horrific run of form since March.
Ole is done here, you know it and I know it.
He's not daft enough to want to work for that stupid twat.
Even if it was true it made absolutely no sense hence my disbelief at the comment
It has gone that far that league 1 teams field their youngsters against us... at Old Trafford
The Klopp and Pep comparison is always the blind faith posters clinging to anything to resembling a coherent argument in favor of Ole.
Fact is, Klopp had Liverpool scoring the 2nd most goals behind Spurs since he was manager of Liverpool in that first season. 55 goals in 30 matches in fact. If you remove his first 3 months, he had Liverpool 1st in goals scored in his first season. Since the start of February (if you want to be favorable to Ole), he had Liverpool in 1st in goals scored.You could clearly see what he wanted from his side.
Ole had United with 4th most goals since he was caretaker manager and 15th most goals since the start of February. So clearly, Ole relied on a 1 month period.
Want more damning statistics to finally shut up the Klopp comparisons? Liverpool scored 16 goals in 8 matches in the first season after Klopp had a full preseason with Liverpool. Ole currently has 8 goals in 6 matches after a full preseason.
They were clearly resting the real first team against the PoshIt has gone that far that league 1 teams field their youngsters against us... at Old Trafford
awful, awful, awful manager. get him out of here, please.
Apprently we do.
I don't think Ole is good enough to manage our club, at least not successfully, but at the same time I don't think any manager can step in and improve the overal ability of the squad. The truth is they aren't good enough.
Remember that the very same players we've seen under Ole (apart from the summer signings who have been our best players to date) performed to an identical low standard under the highly decorated and significantly more experienced Jose Mourinho. The same lack of penetration, cohesion, energy and attacking patterns were as prevalent under Jose and LVG as they are today under Ole.
Do you not see a pattern here lads?
I’m not sure about that.
They (Ed) will claim the “project” was their idea, the bits they’ve carried out (the signings) have been successful and the only problem is the coaching. They can then bin Ole and upgrade him with someone who will, on the face of it, buy into their “project”. Southgate would do.
This all needs to be done before the successful signings have a chance to turn to shite.
Precisely, it's heartbreaking because I feel like the tide is now fully turning against him. He was an excellent caretaker but should never have been made permanent manager - I don't even think we need someone with a bulging trophy cabinet, just a manager who will force his identity onto our team and steer the ship. It takes time to create a title winning team, it doesn't take that much time to actually imprint the basics of your ideas onto a squad (Conte's Chelsea being a perfect example as they struggled a bit early on and then became a winning machine)
It was the focal point. You still see posters saying Ole needs more time on this very page, because Fergie got it 30 years ago.
Even Lampard, who also can even not make it past this season having a transfer ban to work with and losing his best player tries to implement a different style right away.
Yet Ole needs 3-4 windows and 500m pounds..
Everyone who has watched even couple of games Klopp and Pep managed before coming to England understand that both of them are different stratosphere to Ole will ever be.
Take even some inexperienced managers like Nagelsmann and Ten Hag - you can see right away the difference in tactics and approach.
Sure it worked once for a legendary manager so we should give 5 years for any upcoming manager if they did bad the first season. Feck all consequences or perspective.
The job looks too big for the poor guy.
Obviously appointed on emotion and a freakishly good run of results.
Obviously appointed on emotion and a freakishly good run of results.
Agreed; I support him, but I think he should seriously consider walking for his own sake - he’s on a hiding to nothing here; not sure the sacking pay-off is worth it.
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I don't care what manager you put in charge of an attack of Mata, Lingard, Chong and Greenwood in 2019, they aren't going to produce loads of goals.
For comparison Chelsea's front 4 tonight was Pulisic, Hudson Odoi, Pedro and Batshuayi. Its a different league of experience and quality.
Guardiola could coach my Sunday league team, we'd still look terrible at football and you wouldn't be able to see a 'style of play', just as poor PL players will still look poor PL players.
For comparison Chelsea's front 4 tonight was Pulisic, Hudson Odoi, Pedro and Batshuayi. Its a different league of experience and quality.
Guardiola could coach my Sunday league team, we'd still look terrible at football and you wouldn't be able to see a 'style of play', just as poor PL players will still look poor PL players.
Do we really think it's been the wrong managers for the past 6 seasons? Is that really the one and only problem we have?
I don't think so; Woodward out, Jones, Rojo, Young, Matic, Fred, Bailly, Lingard, Pereira, out - not good enough to play for the shirt. Start there, let everyone one in the club know standards aren't good enough and if you don't raise them you'll go the way of Woodward and the rest. Then see what changes.
Literally the only man in the world. A man that's won.... nothing.
I disagree with that, other than Jose’s third season Syndrome it was never as bad as it is now.
Not under Moyes, not under Van Gaal and surely not under Jose.
We’ve been well and truly shocking since March, and by the looks of it, Paul Ince was right, it was nothing other than a new manager bounce that got him the job, that bounce could’ve happened under any manager who would’ve brought in Phelan for all his nostalgic qualities and said nice things about the players in post match interviews.
Ole is not a PL level manager, perhaps not even a championship level manager.
This is the club’s lowest point since 2013 imo.
Don’t think Ole is concerned about the money, could have made a lot more playing elsewhere in the pre-Woodward days of more sensible wages at Old Trafford. He does look stressed already but some of those players would stress any manager out.
I’m with him if he is 100% up for it.
Erm sorry but we were playing against a team from the third tier of the football league, their most expensive player is worth 250 thousand quid..
Bizarre that Woodward has said Ole needs time. What, the same time you gave Moyes, LVG, and Jose Ed?
That last thing Ole needs is Woodwards backing.
That last thing Ole needs is Woodwards backing.
Give him time. Management is 100% about theory, ideals, what you want to happen and signing players. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with managing players, coaching players and improving them, developing players, developing a style of play, tactics, turning ideas into reality
I disagree with his statement that he is the only one, but Poch is definitely a top tier manager.
Reaching the CL final with Spurs, making them a top side in English let alone European football and always giving Pep a game is a phenomenal achievement, whether he won a league cup or whatever or not.
ED gave Moyes and Van Gaal more time than he should’ve, a lot more.
I don’t think it will happen with Ole, he won’t be here come December at worst imo, it’s just too much.
This is a bit of a myth btw. Alex Ferguson had one really bad season, 1988/89 when everyone had high hopes he will push from that 2nd place the year before. He then had a rough next season in the league, but manage to win FA Cup. Then CWC the year after.
The rest is history.
Short of subbing himself on and scoring I'm not sure what Ole did wrong today? We created plenty but poor finishing let us down. Yes, it was far too flat in the first half but we picked it up a little in the second. Still not good enough but it wasn't to do with tactics. It was due to the poor implementation of those tactics by the players. You don't create 26 chances, including 8 big chances, and have 31 shots in one game if you're poorly set up.
Their keeper had a stormer and they literally scored from one of their only two shots in the box the whole game.
Shit happens, suck it up.
Their keeper had a stormer and they literally scored from one of their only two shots in the box the whole game.
Shit happens, suck it up.
I’m glad you’re enjoying yourself, well done.
You’re a classy supporter, class and support for shit way out of their depth managers is obviously more important than anything else.
Not giving a shit
You’re right, everything is fine, Ole is doing a great job.
Go to sleep RedCafe, Ole is at the wheel, everything is fine.
The club is in a safe pair of hands.
Well you know, we are Manchester United. Its a pretty big rich club. Its not Watford or Fulham or something. Its one of the richest clubs in the world.
He did have a transfer window to bring in some reinforcement and he didnt despite selling Lukaku, loaning out Alexis etc. That decision is backfiring big time.
His transfer policy is even worse than his management. He is just way out of his depth.
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