Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[Ban]

There are a million steps between what Jose says and how Ole is talking. Poch doesn't talk down his squad but puts pressure on Levi by constantly reminding him the need to sign top talents. The players also want to see the team getting refreshed. It's not like you either throw the squad under the bus or coddle them.

So Poch who says he doesn't want to talk about transfers is your only example?

 

[rotherham_red]

You make many valid points and I wish I saw the light the same way you seems to do.

When I’m not comfortable with something/someone I try to go back to basic. What where my expectations. What did I see in the first place.

In his (OGS) first couple of games as interim manager we started to play with quick movements, one or two touch passes, high pressing line with all players involved. I saw commitment, passion and for the first time in many many years I saw the light in the tunnel.

I saw Pogba in his best position and suddenly we started to look like a team. Eleven players who worked together with one goal in their mind. It was so refreshing. I was literally sold on Ole Gunnar’s ability to turn this around.

Then something happened. The rest we all know.

My question is what happens between these first four five game to now. Why did we stop to use that initial formula that worked so well in the beginning. How can our performances quality drop so dramatically with almost the same players?

This season we started well but against Palace we lost our momentum when Pogba missed that penalty and from there our results has been way below expectations.

I can’t understand why we continue to use Pogba in a 4231 formation when we struggle so hard to create chances in the final third. Why? I heard you. Matic! But in my world that’s not an excuse on this level. We must have more then two quality midfielders otherwise Ole Gunnar’s comments about he’s happy with his squad is a lie.

Why can’t we go back to more movements, a better passing game, better organization, more synchronized? I refuse to believe it’s that hard. Either our players are stupid or our management can’t communicate. Take your pick. If they could do all this things in Ole Gunnar’s first couple of games why can’t they do it now?

That’s my question.

I understand the concern you have. Really, I do. But I think it boils down to two things: a) a distinct lack of fitness last season; and b) the loss of Herrera which has cost us the mobile defensive screen and who we didn't replace. I think we also have to look at the role played in this by the players. They switched it on and off like a tap, and judging by what others with knowledge have said, it's pretty clear we have more than a few rotten apples in the dressing room, sewing discord. Ole has shown in his first ten weeks how he wanted us to play. Why would he want to go back on that when it proved so successful for him in the initial stages of his tenure? He's not dumb, and it most likely played a role in the scale of outgoings that we experienced this summer, in spite of the lack of incomings.

We have gone a long way towards fixing the first issue in preseason, but the second hasn't yet been resolved.

For any club with a competent football operations team, I'd agree it's not an excuse, but for this board and this club; it unfortunately is a valid reason... And durr, of course Ole lied when he said he was happy with the squad! Do you think any manager would be happy to be devoid of the options we have in almost all positions bar GK and CB? We saw what happened when Jose let his feelings be known on the squad - how did that end up again? Do you want Ole to take a leaf out of his book? He said he wanted replacements for any outgoings. That's about as close anyone will get to him saying he was unhappy with the state of the squad. He also said Alexis was a valued member of the team before letting him go the next week, which is another example of it being good to never take a football manager's words at face value.

I'm hoping it will change once Fred gets back in Ole's good graces, because like I said in the thread I made and was lambasted for, he's potentially our most important player as he can be our Herrera replacement and let Pogba push further forward. If we persist on playing Pogba in the double pivot then it can still work but it needs reinforcement at the 10 position, either through buying a Maddison, or letting Angel have a run there. Both of whom could be the difference makers, but with the latter we need to be patient and take the rough with the smooth. I'm more than happy to do so, because I would love nothing more than for the kids to be mainstays, but for the knee jerk among us and those who are just waiting to pounce on poor results and calling for Ole's head, unfortunately I don't see that patience being as forthcoming...

 

[rotherham_red]

Just clocked on you’ve been trying to be funny.

So Ole is losing games because he doesn’t negotiate transfer fee’s. I’ll leave that with you to sink in.

Again, another incoherent ramble... You're not very good at this reading and writing lark, are you?

 

[vanderstar]

Excellent post SilverPaper on the Breeze

 

[Di Maria's angel]

So Poch who says he doesn't want to talk about transfers is your only example?

In fairness, Pep came out and said they cant afford to spend big yet signed two expensive players. Klopp too complained, IIRC. Subtly done, it can work. Ole could quite easily have said "I'm happy with those here but we're in need a one more quality player to add depth". Instead, he states hed happy with his squad when its clear we're lacking in quality and depth.

 

[Ban]

In fairness, Pep came out and said they cant afford to spend big yet signed two expensive players. Klopp too complained, IIRC. Subtly done, it can work. Ole could quite easily have said "I'm happy with those here but we're in need a one more quality player to add depth". Instead, he states hed happy with his squad when its clear we're lacking in quality and depth.

Even if he says he's happy with the squad that doesn't mean it's true. People make top much fuss about his words.

 

[rotherham_red]

In fairness, Pep came out and said they cant afford to spend big yet signed two expensive players. Klopp too complained, IIRC. Subtly done, it can work. Ole could quite easily have said "I'm happy with those here but we're in need a one more quality player to add depth". Instead, he states hed happy with his squad when its clear we're lacking in quality and depth.

That's almost exactly what he said when he said we would need a replacement if Lukaku went...

 

[SilverPaper on the Breeze]

My thoughts quasi exactly. I'm far from a stalwart here, but recently the New members have been contributing a lot, so maybe this is a norm, I don't know.

I joined the Caf pretty much because my friends were sick of hearing me rant about how sh*t Lukaku is and I needed somewhere to vent. Maybe that’s why other newbies have joined?!

 

[7even]

I understand the concern you have. Really, I do. But I think it boils down to two things: a) a distinct lack of fitness last season; and b) the loss of Herrera which has cost us the mobile defensive screen and who we didn't replace. I think we also have to look at the role played in this by the players. They switched it on and off like a tap, and judging by what others with knowledge have said, it's pretty clear we have more than a few rotten apples in the dressing room, sewing discord. Ole has shown in his first ten weeks how he wanted us to play. Why would he want to go back on that when it proved so successful for him in the initial stages of his tenure? He's not dumb, and it most likely played a role in the scale of outgoings that we experienced this summer, in spite of the lack of incomings.

We have gone a long way towards fixing the first issue in preseason, but the second hasn't yet been resolved.

For any club with a competent football operations team, I'd agree it's not an excuse, but for this board and this club; it unfortunately is a valid reason... And durr, of course Ole lied when he said he was happy with the squad! Do you think any manager would be happy to be devoid of the options we have in almost all positions bar GK and CB? We saw what happened when Jose let his feelings be known on the squad - how did that end up again? Do you want Ole to take a leaf out of his book? He said he wanted replacements for any outgoings. That's about as close anyone will get to him saying he was unhappy with the state of the squad. He also said Alexis was a valued member of the team before letting him go the next week, which is another example of it being good to never take a football manager's words at face value.

I'm hoping it will change once Fred gets back in Ole's good graces, because like I said in the thread I made and was lambasted for, he's potentially our most important player as he can be our Herrera replacement and let Pogba push further forward. If we persist on playing Pogba in the double pivot then it can still work but it needs reinforcement at the 10 position, either through buying a Maddison, or letting Angel have a run there. Both of whom could be the difference makers, but with the latter we need to be patient and take the rough with the smooth. I'm more than happy to do so, because I would love nothing more than for the kids to be mainstays, but for the knee jerk among us and those who are just waiting to pounce on poor results and calling for Ole's head, unfortunately I don't see that patience being as forthcoming...

Thanks for taking time to write this good answer. I’m with you all the way.

My feelings against the owners and Ed Woodward is on a level that I’m afraid to honestly express my opinions in this matter. I’m 100% sure a share this with millions of other United supporters.

What I’m most angry with is the incompetence, the lack of understanding of the nature of running a elite club, all the bad timing regarding everything, transfers, management recruitments, throwing money at the wrong players at the wrong time, did a mention BAD TIMING in almost everything since Sir Alex retirement.

I don’t trust them doing anything right any longer. I see them as amateurs and I honestly believe that I could have done half of it much better myself. From a professional standpoint, as a senior adviser, board member, former C- level director on different levels I admire the owners strategy regarding their investment in a profitable business. Their ROI regarding MUFC is world class As a supporter I hate them.

So when Ole Gunnar parts with them. Express his happiness with how things is going I understand why, but my feelings screams NOoooo!! If there is one person inside this club who can criticize our shortcomings without fear it’s Ole Gunnar Solksjaer. If the owners or Woodward just even hints any disappointments, express their concerns against him supporters all over the world, ST holders, you name it will totally go bananas. He’s our voice against the evils. At least he should be.

I really want him to succeed. Honestly. 100%. Another one or two seasons then he must take the next step and become our DoF. That’s his best position from my perspective. I gladly give him time as long we don’t drop to relegation levels. I hope we’re good enough to compete against Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal. In order to attract top level talents I think CL qualification is a must. Transfers are heading in that direction with more clubs willing to spend heavily on young talents.

Finally. @SilverPaper on the Breeze
Excellent post. Finally I see some consensus regarding our future.

 

[SilverPaper on the Breeze]

Thanks for taking time to write this good answer. I’m with you all the way.

My feelings against the owners and Ed Woodward is on a level that I’m afraid to honestly express my opinions in this matter. I’m 100% sure a share this with millions of other United supporters.

What I’m most angry with is the incompetence, the lack of understanding of the nature of running a elite club, all the bad timing regarding everything, transfers, management recruitments, throwing money at the wrong players at the wrong time, did a mention BAD TIMING in almost everything since Sir Alex retirement.

I don’t trust them doing anything right any longer. I see them as amateurs and I honestly believe that I could have done half of it much better myself. From a professional standpoint, as a senior adviser, board member, former C- level director on different levels I admire the owners strategy regarding their investment in a profitable business. Their ROI regarding MUFC is world class As a supporter I hate them.

So when Ole Gunnar parts with them. Express his happiness with how things is going I understand why, but my feelings screams NOoooo!! If there is one person inside this club who can criticize our shortcomings without fear it’s Ole Gunnar Solksjaer. If the owners or Woodward just even hints any disappointments, express their concerns against him supporters all over the world, ST holders, you name it will totally go bananas. He’s our voice against the evils. At least he should be.

I really want him to succeed. Honestly. 100%. Another one or two seasons then he must take the next step and become our DoF. That’s his best position from my perspective. I gladly give him time as long we don’t drop to relegation levels. I hope we’re good enough to compete against Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal. In order to attract top level talents I think CL qualification is a must. Transfers are heading in that direction with more clubs willing to spend heavily on young talents.

Finally. @SilverPaper on the Breeze
Excellent post. Finally I see some consensus regarding our future.

I’ve said before, in the F365 mailbox, that I could see Ole becoming DoF with Poch as manager. Most big clubs employ former players for the role. If you’d asked me to pick a a former player for the role before he took the managers job, he’d have been right near the top of my list.

 

[Mainoldo]

Again, another incoherent ramble... You're not very good at this reading and writing lark, are you?

I thought I was your Boo? What happened to all your jokes? You talked more sense then.

It was a simple question tbh. It’s always everyone else’s fault but the manager when it comes to United. Even though that’s their main job.

 

[haram]

I think if it was apparent that he was failing here and wasn't going to turn things around then yes.

but that's only what I think, we don't know. What we do know is that numerous great managers have been sacked in the past when they failed despite producing trophies even just the season before. You seem to be ignoring that.

This is pointless anyway, keep living in your little imaginary world where facts don't matter and your brain is the only thing worth listening to.

No, I never disputed the fact that managers get sacked the year after winning trophies either .

You keep living in your little imaginary world where SAF and Ole would have the same amount of people calling for their heads .

 

[NK86]

So Poch who says he doesn't want to talk about transfers is your only example?

The Poch who says that he would want more players coming in and says he is not happy with the transfer window is my example.

 

[VP89]

He said players like Gomes will get games in September and October when Europa league starts. At that time we need to use the squad, we shouldn't be using it when we have just 1 game a week. Just play the strongest team possible.

Btw, I believe Gomes and Greenwood should play instead of Lingard and whoever starts as RW but maybe Ole feels it's too much to chance. Hopefully by the end of the season both of these young players will play lot of games and makes it was first team players.

Yeah, perhaps Gomes will feature once the cup competitions kick off. Greenwood not yet starting is a funny one, mainly because of the Southampton game with Martial missing. If he can't play in a front 3 ahead of a central midfielder out of position, then maybe he's not as ready as Ole makes us think.

 

[Foxbatt]

The problem is also the EL which plays on Thursdays. The recovery period is too short for a Saturday match. With the squad so thin how on Earth can Ole think he has a squad than can play in all the competitions. Winning the EL is the only chance of getting into the CL for us this season.

 

[croadyman]

Why in that case do we have an extensive scouting network?

So if that scouting network is extensive then how come we aren't able to pick up some of these 19-21 year old up and coming talents early and instead end up paying an absolute fortune for them further down the line

 

[roonster09]

The problem is also the EL which plays on Thursdays. The recovery period is too short for a Saturday match. With the squad so thin how on Earth can Ole think he has a squad than can play in all the competitions. Winning the EL is the only chance of getting into the CL for us this season.

Teams who play in Europa don't play on Saturday.

 

[lsd]

The problem is also the EL which plays on Thursdays. The recovery period is too short for a Saturday match. With the squad so thin how on Earth can Ole think he has a squad than can play in all the competitions. Winning the EL is the only chance of getting into the CL for us this season.

We wont be playing on a Saturday

 

[Revaulx]

So if that scouting network is extensive then how come we aren't able to pick up some of these 19-21 year old up and coming talents early and instead end up paying an absolute fortune for them further down the line

Maybe the scouts are being ignored. I’m sure that agents play a much bigger part in determining transfer targets than most fans realise, particularly at a weakly run club like United. Would we really have signed Mkhitaryan had we not been after Pogba and they happened to share the same agent?

 

[croadyman]

Maybe the scouts are being ignored. I’m sure that agents play a much bigger part in determining transfer targets than most fans realise, particularly at a weakly run club like United. Would we really have signed Mkhitaryan had we not been after Pogba and they happened to share the same agent?

Yeah you could be right about the scouts being ignored,wasn't there a story earlier in the summer about Utd turning down De Jong & De Ligt despite being highly recommended

 

[robinamicrowave]

During the 90s, the club embarked on a pioneering path and understood the way the game was going better than most, appreciating that globalisation was coming and commercialisation was the way to monetise the “brand”. We were the first to have a third kit, the first to flog tat to fans thousands of miles away. We did this whilst aggressively expanding our stadium to being the biggest in the country.
Following this, the club had a huge financial advantage over everyone (til Roman arrived) and had arguably the greatest manager of all time at the helm that had a unique ability to adapt and rebuild sides in the face of a changing game.
When any institution has achieved massive success through a particular model, it becomes inevitable that complacency will set in over time, with a dogmatic belief that what has worked previously will always work and this is what has happened in the last decade. Old Trafford is now pretty shabby in comparison to rival grounds, for instance.
As such, we’ve stopped innovating, stopped being ahead of the curve and fallen behind our contemporaries in the process. This rot had begun prior to Sir retiring, with the departure of Ronaldo probably the first sign of the decline. We carried on winning trophies, because Fergie was that good and our rivals were nothing special, but his final seasons were spent wringing the last out of his final great team, the 08 champions league winners.
When he finally departed, we had an ageing squad that desperately required major surgery. Rio and Vidic were finished, as were Scholes and Giggs, and Rooney and RVP didn’t have much left to give either. A prolonged lack of investment and Fergie softening to the extent that the likes of Anderson were still kicking around meant we were in poor shape.
We all know what happens next; Moyes, Van Gaal and Jose, 3 completely different types of managers all trying to get to the root of the problem, but that kind of deep malaise takes a while to fix and requires patience which given our previous success was understandably in short supply.
This brings us to where we are now and hopefully the early stages of a rebuild. Do I think Ole is the man to lead us long term? Almost certainly not, but there’s not a chance we’re winning the title no matter who is in the dugout. Pep and Klopp are probably the finest managers currently working and they’re deep into their respective projects. They’ll take some toppling. As such, a long term view is the sensible option and I think Ole is a reasonable shout to manage us through the start of the rebuild. The squad has been purged this season. Sure, we could do with one or two more, but as Liverpool have shown, it’s better to buy the right players than any old players.
If we can rebuild a team spirit, something that has been sadly lacking, and blood some youngsters, work out which ones will make it, then we’ll wind up with a lean, young, hungry squad.
The 3 managers before Ole all inherited a mess, I think Ole’s job is to clean everything up and ensure the manager that follows him (which I think will be Poch next summer) inherits something much better. A young, motivated squad, a trimmed wage bill and a handsome transfer kitty to build towards a title challenge. Realistically, we’re not going to challenge for the league until 21/22 at the earliest; what we’re doing now seems to me to be laying the foundations for that. Ole is not a title winning manager, he’s a transitional one and I for accept that.

Really good post, this.

 

[Raw]

During the 90s, the club embarked on a pioneering path and understood the way the game was going better than most, appreciating that globalisation was coming and commercialisation was the way to monetise the “brand”. We were the first to have a third kit, the first to flog tat to fans thousands of miles away. We did this whilst aggressively expanding our stadium to being the biggest in the country.
Following this, the club had a huge financial advantage over everyone (til Roman arrived) and had arguably the greatest manager of all time at the helm that had a unique ability to adapt and rebuild sides in the face of a changing game.
When any institution has achieved massive success through a particular model, it becomes inevitable that complacency will set in over time, with a dogmatic belief that what has worked previously will always work and this is what has happened in the last decade. Old Trafford is now pretty shabby in comparison to rival grounds, for instance.
As such, we’ve stopped innovating, stopped being ahead of the curve and fallen behind our contemporaries in the process. This rot had begun prior to Sir retiring, with the departure of Ronaldo probably the first sign of the decline. We carried on winning trophies, because Fergie was that good and our rivals were nothing special, but his final seasons were spent wringing the last out of his final great team, the 08 champions league winners.
When he finally departed, we had an ageing squad that desperately required major surgery. Rio and Vidic were finished, as were Scholes and Giggs, and Rooney and RVP didn’t have much left to give either. A prolonged lack of investment and Fergie softening to the extent that the likes of Anderson were still kicking around meant we were in poor shape.
We all know what happens next; Moyes, Van Gaal and Jose, 3 completely different types of managers all trying to get to the root of the problem, but that kind of deep malaise takes a while to fix and requires patience which given our previous success was understandably in short supply.
This brings us to where we are now and hopefully the early stages of a rebuild. Do I think Ole is the man to lead us long term? Almost certainly not, but there’s not a chance we’re winning the title no matter who is in the dugout. Pep and Klopp are probably the finest managers currently working and they’re deep into their respective projects. They’ll take some toppling. As such, a long term view is the sensible option and I think Ole is a reasonable shout to manage us through the start of the rebuild. The squad has been purged this season. Sure, we could do with one or two more, but as Liverpool have shown, it’s better to buy the right players than any old players.
If we can rebuild a team spirit, something that has been sadly lacking, and blood some youngsters, work out which ones will make it, then we’ll wind up with a lean, young, hungry squad.
The 3 managers before Ole all inherited a mess, I think Ole’s job is to clean everything up and ensure the manager that follows him (which I think will be Poch next summer) inherits something much better. A young, motivated squad, a trimmed wage bill and a handsome transfer kitty to build towards a title challenge. Realistically, we’re not going to challenge for the league until 21/22 at the earliest; what we’re doing now seems to me to be laying the foundations for that. Ole is not a title winning manager, he’s a transitional one and I for accept that.

Great post. Echos my thoughts exactly.

 

[rotherham_red]

Thanks for taking time to write this good answer. I’m with you all the way.

My feelings against the owners and Ed Woodward is on a level that I’m afraid to honestly express my opinions in this matter. I’m 100% sure a share this with millions of other United supporters.

What I’m most angry with is the incompetence, the lack of understanding of the nature of running a elite club, all the bad timing regarding everything, transfers, management recruitments, throwing money at the wrong players at the wrong time, did a mention BAD TIMING in almost everything since Sir Alex retirement.

I don’t trust them doing anything right any longer. I see them as amateurs and I honestly believe that I could have done half of it much better myself. From a professional standpoint, as a senior adviser, board member, former C- level director on different levels I admire the owners strategy regarding their investment in a profitable business. Their ROI regarding MUFC is world class As a supporter I hate them.

So when Ole Gunnar parts with them. Express his happiness with how things is going I understand why, but my feelings screams NOoooo!! If there is one person inside this club who can criticize our shortcomings without fear it’s Ole Gunnar Solksjaer. If the owners or Woodward just even hints any disappointments, express their concerns against him supporters all over the world, ST holders, you name it will totally go bananas. He’s our voice against the evils. At least he should be.

I really want him to succeed. Honestly. 100%. Another one or two seasons then he must take the next step and become our DoF. That’s his best position from my perspective. I gladly give him time as long we don’t drop to relegation levels. I hope we’re good enough to compete against Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal. In order to attract top level talents I think CL qualification is a must. Transfers are heading in that direction with more clubs willing to spend heavily on young talents.

Finally. @SilverPaper on the Breeze
Excellent post. Finally I see some consensus regarding our future.

All that is absolutely fair, and if it didn't work out for Ole as manager, then him being our DoF would be the best case scenario. You can truly tell the guy has us in his heart, and wouldn't be interested in anything other than getting us back to the top. That sort of single-minded focus and drive has sadly been lacking ever since Fergie left.

I still retain the faith that Ole will put us a long way on the road back to the top when all things are considered. He had a fantastic start last season, where his ethos really shined through, and now it's a case of rebuilding the squad and the dressing room with talents who are a) malleable to his methods; and b) good characters, who will reflect his persona on the pitch. With the mess we have made with building the squad in the post-SAF era until now, it does necessitate a long-term approach and to go two steps forward, we will need to take one step back.

Having a scorched earth policy and letting Ole go at this moment in time will do us no favours.

 

[TRUERED89]

Thanks for taking time to write this good answer. I’m with you all the way.

My feelings against the owners and Ed Woodward is on a level that I’m afraid to honestly express my opinions in this matter. I’m 100% sure a share this with millions of other United supporters.

What I’m most angry with is the incompetence, the lack of understanding of the nature of running a elite club, all the bad timing regarding everything, transfers, management recruitments, throwing money at the wrong players at the wrong time, did a mention BAD TIMING in almost everything since Sir Alex retirement.

I don’t trust them doing anything right any longer. I see them as amateurs and I honestly believe that I could have done half of it much better myself. From a professional standpoint, as a senior adviser, board member, former C- level director on different levels I admire the owners strategy regarding their investment in a profitable business. Their ROI regarding MUFC is world class As a supporter I hate them.

So when Ole Gunnar parts with them. Express his happiness with how things is going I understand why, but my feelings screams NOoooo!! If there is one person inside this club who can criticize our shortcomings without fear it’s Ole Gunnar Solksjaer. If the owners or Woodward just even hints any disappointments, express their concerns against him supporters all over the world, ST holders, you name it will totally go bananas. He’s our voice against the evils. At least he should be.

I really want him to succeed. Honestly. 100%. Another one or two seasons then he must take the next step and become our DoF. That’s his best position from my perspective. I gladly give him time as long we don’t drop to relegation levels. I hope we’re good enough to compete against Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal. In order to attract top level talents I think CL qualification is a must. Transfers are heading in that direction with more clubs willing to spend heavily on young talents.

Finally. @SilverPaper on the Breeze
Excellent post. Finally I see some consensus regarding our future.

If he succeeds, I don't see the point of becoming DoF! Which wont even be an option imo. He'll remain the manager if he's attaining top 4, and then one day bring home #21.

 

[Luffy]

I joined the Caf pretty much because my friends were sick of hearing me rant about how sh*t Lukaku is and I needed somewhere to vent. Maybe that’s why other newbies have joined?!

I hear you, but for me at least my happiness depends on the books that I read, instead of football results. Unfortunately for you, you'll find a lot of ammo to vent your anger. Klopp is certain to bring the Premier league trophy to Anfield sooner or later. These are dire times, and the future for us is the grimmest.

 

[lysglimt]

Because it is common sense that less people would want someone like SAF out if he went on the same run as Ole.

Ferguson went on a much worse run that OGS ever did - 1989/90 we picked up 48 Points from 38 matches - and that included a fairly decent end to the season. And practically everyone wanted Ferguson out.

 

[haram]

Ferguson went on a much worse run that OGS ever did - 1989/90 we picked up 48 Points from 38 matches - and that included a fairly decent end to the season. And practically everyone wanted Ferguson out.

I am talking about after SAF was established at United.

 

[Mainoldo]

You guys still having this stupid argument. It’s quite clear if your a good manager the board and fans will give you more leeway and time. It’s not rocket science and the reasons behind it is probably the same reasons why fans are still yet to turn on DDG.

Now give it a rest.

 

[Cait Sith]

Ferguson went on a much worse run that OGS ever did - 1989/90 we picked up 48 Points from 38 matches - and that included a fairly decent end to the season. And practically everyone wanted Ferguson out.

You could excuse every result of every coach in the world with that. "If SAF had an horrendous start followed by a GOAT career then literally everyone can become great no matter how bad they do." Which is true but it's about probabilities and SAF is that 1 out of a million probability. Ole could also turn GOAT in the future but it's very unlikely.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

I am talking about after SAF was established at United.

Which is weird because he was first given a chance by United much in the same way Ole is now. There were no guarantees he would come good and it took him a few years to do so. Ole is in exactly the same phase as SAF was when people made that banner. Results weren't up to scratch and people were calling for his head much like you are with Ole. The club stuck with SAF and he went on to become the greatest manager of all time. Now I'm not saying Ole will be as good as SAF - that would be ridiculous. But he could still very much come good for us and though having 3-4 years of patience as we did with SAF might be a bit much we should still give Ole at least two years. Calling for his head after half a season is ridiculous.

 

[Mainoldo]

Which is weird because he was first given a chance by United much in the same way Ole is now. There were no guarantees he would come good and it took him a few years to do so. Ole is in exactly the same phase as SAF was when people made that banner. Results weren't up to scratch and people were calling for his head much like you are with Ole. The club stuck with SAF and he went on to become the greatest manager of all time. Now I'm not saying Ole will be as good as SAF - that would be ridiculous. But he could still very much come good for us and though having 3-4 years of patience as we did with SAF might be a bit much we should still give Ole at least two years. Calling for his head after half a season is ridiculous.

Has Ole won the Europa league like equivalent? Has he stopped a domestic dominance of the calibre of Rangers and Celtic?

This appointment is not the same. I wish we appointed a manager with that CV.

 

[The_Order]

He did win the Norwegian league, but I spose that doesn't count.

 

[vangagal]

Quoting Norway league as the same achievement as SPL back when SAF made his career maybe the dumbest excuse ever for Ole as far as his excuse goes.

 

[el3mel]

The hell, people are comparing SAF been given chance to Ole now? Maybe a quick check on SAF's achievements with Aberdeen from any website will either enlighten people he was actually an established manager in football back then and deserved chances, not a rookie whose biggest achievement was managing in Norway.

 

[The_Order]

Ah, the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

Point is, the Scottish league is as irrelevant to the Premier league then as the Norwegian league is now.

 

[Foxbatt]

Teams who play in Europa don't play on Saturday.

The fixture lists shows some games on Sundays and also on Saturday too. We play Alkmar on a Thursday and play Everton on a Saturday I think. Maybe the list was wrong.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

Has Ole won the Europa league like equivalent? Has he stopped a domestic dominance of the calibre of Rangers and Celtic?

This appointment is not the same. I wish we appointed a manager with that CV.

I never said it was the same and I don't think it is. It's why I said giving him as much time as we did SAF might be a bit much. After all, we gave him like 4 years (took him 6 years to win the title, first real title challenge took him 5) and I'm saying we should give Ole half that. Hardly unreasonable is it?

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Which is weird because he was first given a chance by United much in the same way Ole is now. There were no guarantees he would come good and it took him a few years to do so. Ole is in exactly the same phase as SAF was when people made that banner. Results weren't up to scratch and people were calling for his head much like you are with Ole. The club stuck with SAF and he went on to become the greatest manager of all time. Now I'm not saying Ole will be as good as SAF - that would be ridiculous. But he could still very much come good for us and though having 3-4 years of patience as we did with SAF might be a bit much we should still give Ole at least two years. Calling for his head after half a season is ridiculous.

What on earth are you talking about? SAF had won two European Cups and The Scottish championship and cup multiple times before joining us.
Ole has won the trpitier or whatever its called.. Can you name any other manager that has won the Norwegian league? No because nobody cares.

 

[roonster09]

The fixture lists shows some games on Sundays and also on Saturday too. We play Alkmar on a Thursday and play Everton on a Saturday I think. Maybe the list was wrong.

Those games will be moved to Sunday.

 

[el3mel]

I never said it was the same and I don't think it is. It's why I said giving him as much time as we did SAF might be a bit much. After all, we gave him like 4 years (took him 6 years to win the title, first real title challenge took him 5) and I'm saying we should give Ole half that. Hardly unreasonable is it?

Why should he get chances out of all other managers? We are showing nothing on the pitch to give him 2 full years without things to show for. Results and football quality will determine his fate. If he delivers this season, and by that I mean good football and top 4, then he should and would get a second season. If we finish 6th or 5th again with no CL why should he stay? On what basis then?