Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Poster 1: Fans will have lot more patience with proven manager when they hit rough patch
Poster 2: Not really, look at how many wanted Jose and Van Gaal out.
Poster 1: Few hyperbolic scenarios like manager winning 10 CLs, and then naming SAF
Poster 2 + others: Fans also wanted SAF out and the banner was displayed.
Few random posters who probably didn't follow the conversation: Ole is compared to SAF, why should he get time and all that nonsense, ignoring the actual point of discussion.
 
Poster 1: Fans will have lot more patience with proven manager when they hit rough patch
Poster 2: Not really, look at how many wanted Jose and Van Gaal out.
Poster 1: Few hyperbolic scenarios like manager winning 10 CLs, and then naming SAF
Poster 2 + others: Fans also wanted SAF out and the banner was displayed.
Few random posters who probably didn't follow the conversation: Ole is compared to SAF, why should he get time and all that nonsense, ignoring the actual point of discussion.
Just so we're clear I'm poster 2 and I win.
 
During the 90s, the club embarked on a pioneering path and understood the way the game was going better than most, appreciating that globalisation was coming and commercialisation was the way to monetise the “brand”. We were the first to have a third kit, the first to flog tat to fans thousands of miles away. We did this whilst aggressively expanding our stadium to being the biggest in the country.
Following this, the club had a huge financial advantage over everyone (til Roman arrived) and had arguably the greatest manager of all time at the helm that had a unique ability to adapt and rebuild sides in the face of a changing game.
When any institution has achieved massive success through a particular model, it becomes inevitable that complacency will set in over time, with a dogmatic belief that what has worked previously will always work and this is what has happened in the last decade. Old Trafford is now pretty shabby in comparison to rival grounds, for instance.
As such, we’ve stopped innovating, stopped being ahead of the curve and fallen behind our contemporaries in the process. This rot had begun prior to Sir retiring, with the departure of Ronaldo probably the first sign of the decline. We carried on winning trophies, because Fergie was that good and our rivals were nothing special, but his final seasons were spent wringing the last out of his final great team, the 08 champions league winners.
When he finally departed, we had an ageing squad that desperately required major surgery. Rio and Vidic were finished, as were Scholes and Giggs, and Rooney and RVP didn’t have much left to give either. A prolonged lack of investment and Fergie softening to the extent that the likes of Anderson were still kicking around meant we were in poor shape.
We all know what happens next; Moyes, Van Gaal and Jose, 3 completely different types of managers all trying to get to the root of the problem, but that kind of deep malaise takes a while to fix and requires patience which given our previous success was understandably in short supply.
This brings us to where we are now and hopefully the early stages of a rebuild. Do I think Ole is the man to lead us long term? Almost certainly not, but there’s not a chance we’re winning the title no matter who is in the dugout. Pep and Klopp are probably the finest managers currently working and they’re deep into their respective projects. They’ll take some toppling. As such, a long term view is the sensible option and I think Ole is a reasonable shout to manage us through the start of the rebuild. The squad has been purged this season. Sure, we could do with one or two more, but as Liverpool have shown, it’s better to buy the right players than any old players.
If we can rebuild a team spirit, something that has been sadly lacking, and blood some youngsters, work out which ones will make it, then we’ll wind up with a lean, young, hungry squad.
The 3 managers before Ole all inherited a mess, I think Ole’s job is to clean everything up and ensure the manager that follows him (which I think will be Poch next summer) inherits something much better. A young, motivated squad, a trimmed wage bill and a handsome transfer kitty to build towards a title challenge. Realistically, we’re not going to challenge for the league until 21/22 at the earliest; what we’re doing now seems to me to be laying the foundations for that. Ole is not a title winning manager, he’s a transitional one and I for accept that.
An excellent post. We need more level heads and perspectives like this.
 
Why should he get chances out of all other managers? We are showing nothing on the pitch to give him 2 full years without things to show for. Results and football quality will determine his fate. If he delivers this season, and by that I mean good football and top 4, then he should and would get a second season. If we finish 6th or 5th again with no CL why should he stay? On what basis then?

All other managers? We missed out on Klopp and Guardiola who are probably the two best managers in world footy right now (though I think both are cnuts in their own way). Pochettino has given no indication he wants a move plus I think he's overrated on here. Who's available that is an ideal candidate? The renowned ones that are available are Allegri who fits the club about as good as Mou did and maybe Blanc if you even see him as a renowned option because he couldn't quite cut it at PSG.

I disagree that we're showing nothing on the pitch. I think the footy's easier on the eye than when Mou was in charge. And even though Woody didn't back him in the transfer market enough it's obvious he's taking our squad in the right direction. The ones he's brought in have all been solid and he's gotten rid of a lot of deadwood.

You say top four is the minimum requirement, I disagree. I very much see this as a transition season and if you look at the squad how can you not agree? We have the weakest squad out of all the top 6. Had Woody got Dybala/Sancho and Mandzukic/Longstaff in things would have been different but he didn't. I don't blame Ole for this and neither should anyone because this is obviously Ed's area. I'd say we should at least be playing good football and get top 6. Yes that's beneath us and it sucks but that's what's real right now and it's a result of years of bad management.
 
All other managers? We missed out on Klopp and Guardiola who are probably the two best managers in world footy right now (though I think both are cnuts in their own way). Pochettino has given no indication he wants a move plus I think he's overrated on here. Who's available that is an ideal candidate? The renowned ones that are available are Allegri who fits the club about as good as Mou did and maybe Blanc if you even see him as a renowned option because he couldn't quite cut it at PSG.

I disagree that we're showing nothing on the pitch. I think the footy's easier on the eye than when Mou was in charge. And even though Woody didn't back him in the transfer market enough it's obvious he's taking our squad in the right direction. The ones he's brought in have all been solid and he's gotten rid of a lot of deadwood.

You say top four is the minimum requirement, I disagree. I very much see this as a transition season and if you look at the squad how can you not agree? We have the weakest squad out of all the top 6. Had Woody got Dybala/Sancho and Mandzukic/Longstaff in things would have been different but he didn't. I don't blame Ole for this and neither should anyone because this is obviously Ed's area. I'd say we should at least be playing good football and get top 6. Yes that's beneath us and it sucks but that's what's real right now and it's a result of years of bad management.

Top 6? You must be kidding. I can't believe this being said on any other manager managing us bar Ole. I can't get how can the fans drop down their expectations to such rock bottom level just because we have an ex legend in charge. So getting top 6 ahead of gods like Everton, Leicester and Wolves is enough for you to give Ole a second chance next season?
 
Top 6? You must be kidding. I can't believe this being said on any other manager managing us bar Ole. I can't get how can the fans drop down their expectations to such rock bottom level just because we have an ex legend in charge. So getting top 6 ahead of gods like Everton, Leicester and Wolves is enough for you to give Ole a second chance next season?

I'm dropping my expectations based on our result last season and our current squad which is the result of years of bad management. It has nothing to do with Ole. We could be managed by baldy and I'd still not expect us to get top four. I don't hold Ole accountable for our current squad, no. I do expect the footy to be better than under Mourinho though. If that's not the case then that's on Ole. But so far it's been better than it was even though there's still loads to improve upon.
 
The hell, people are comparing SAF been given chance to Ole now? Maybe a quick check on SAF's achievements with Aberdeen from any website will either enlighten people he was actually an established manager in football back then and deserved chances, not a rookie whose biggest achievement was managing in Norway.
One thing though. You do realize Ole did study under SAF. In details. You do know he also has studied with Klopp? He also studied under those professors that revolutionized football fitness training. You do know of course that he aced his Uefa pro license? And the coaches that know him say he has a very high level of tactical awareness? Not only to formations, but also to personnel available to him. And another thing. He knows Man Utd inside out. He is the perfect choice for a rebuild. So funny reading this thread. I’m puzzled why not more of you are elite managers in stead of keyboard warriors.
 
I'm dropping my expectations based on our result last season and our current squad which is the result of years of bad management. It has nothing to do with Ole. We could be managed by baldy and I'd still not expect us to get top four. I don't hold Ole accountable for our current squad, no. I do expect the footy to be better than under Mourinho though. If that's not the case then that's on Ole. But so far it's been better than it was even though there's still loads to improve upon.

What should Chelsea fans say then? They lost their best player, had a transfer ban and appointed another rookie manager?
 
One thing though. You do realize Ole did study under SAF. In details. You do know he also has studied with Klopp? He also studied under those professors that revolutionized football fitness training. You do know of course that he aced his Uefa pro license? And the coaches that know him say he has a very high level of tactical awareness? Not only to formations, but also to personnel available to him. And another thing. He knows Man Utd inside out. He is the perfect choice for a rebuild. So funny reading this thread. I’m puzzled why not more of you are elite managers in stead of keyboard warriors.

It is easy to criticise the manager who hasn't achieved much without looking into details.

Ole has done a good job since he has come in. It was about time the club hit the reset button and just get back to what United is about. The one thing he does is bring positivity.

I don't know much about Ole's coaching badges and what not but he seems to lack in game tactical awareness IMO. He makes subs too late.

But I like his philosophy and what he is trying to do.
 
What should Chelsea fans say then? They lost their best player, had a transfer ban and appointed another rookie manager?

Top 6. They lost their best player yeah but at least they replaced him with Pulisic. Having an army of youthplayers (usually loaned out) to call upon also softens the blow of not being able to sign anyone. They were third last year so their starting position is a lot better than ours. I expect Spurs and Arsenal to overtake them this year though.
 
It is easy to criticise the manager who hasn't achieved much without looking into details.

Ole has done a good job since he has come in. It was about time the club hit the reset button and just get back to what United is about. The one thing he does is bring positivity.

I don't know much about Ole's coaching badges and what not but he seems to lack in game tactical awareness IMO. He makes subs too late.

But I like his philosophy and what he is trying to do.
People might think so looking at what he done so far at utd. But in reality he is the kind of manager who makes a sub after 30 minutes when he see unbalance. And I really don’t see it that important making early subs these last games. Utd was on the front foot. Could have, should have. But it certainly wasn’t any obvious gain. If people put that down to tactical naive they don’t know what they are talking about.
 
One thing though. You do realize Ole did study under SAF. In details. You do know he also has studied with Klopp? He also studied under those professors that revolutionized football fitness training. You do know of course that he aced his Uefa pro license? And the coaches that know him say he has a very high level of tactical awareness? Not only to formations, but also to personnel available to him. And another thing. He knows Man Utd inside out. He is the perfect choice for a rebuild. So funny reading this thread. I’m puzzled why not more of you are elite managers in stead of keyboard warriors.

This is all well and good but so far Ole doesn’t strike me at all as a “tactically aware” coach. His game management has been bang average, doesn’t seem to recognise when a sub is needed as a game is slipping away. He’s repeatedly playing his best player in a holding midfield role and one of his worse players as the link between midfield and attack and don’t get me started on our set pieces.

Like I’m not expecting fireworks, if we get beat by city, Liverpool, spurs it is what it is but in these last several months I’ve seen weaker teams with coaches outdo Ole and that’s a bit worrying. For me the two games with Wolves where we lost, Santo wiped the floor with him.
 
People might think so looking at what he done so far at utd. But in reality he is the kind of manager who makes a sub after 30 minutes when he see unbalance. And I really don’t see it that important making early subs these last games. Utd was on the front foot. Could have, should have. But it certainly wasn’t any obvious gain. If people put that down to tactical naive they don’t know what they are talking about.

When has he made a change after 30 mins, if you are refering to Baily, it was an injury v PSG.

Well the players v Palace had enough time in the first 60 mins to create chances. The fact that Utd are on the front foot has nothing to do with changes, I expect EVERY Manutd team to be on the front foot if we are chasing a game. Why make a sub at the 80th min? when the player coming on will touch the ball 3/4 times?
 
This is all well and good but so far Ole doesn’t strike me at all as a “tactically aware” coach. His game management has been bang average, doesn’t seem to recognise when a sub is needed as a game is slipping away. He’s repeatedly playing his best player in a holding midfield role and one of his worse players as the link between midfield and attack and don’t get me started on our set pieces.

Like I’m not expecting fireworks, if we get beat by city, Liverpool, spurs it is what it is but in these last several months I’ve seen weaker teams with coaches outdo Ole and that’s a bit worrying. For me the two games with Wolves where we lost, Santo wiped the floor with him.
Any examples on that? Any obvious observations? For me he compensated very well last season with team fitness collapsing and all the injuries. People seem to forget how thin and stretched the personnel awailable was. This season I’ve watched all games. Two of them twice to look at it a bi more analytic. You can’t fault him one bit other than your own opinion that a sub MIGHT have changed things. For me a lot of people are making themselves look a bit naive themselves.
 
When has he made a change after 30 mins, if you are refering to Baily, it was an injury v PSG.

Well the players v Palace had enough time in the first 60 mins to create chances. The fact that Utd are on the front foot has nothing to do with changes, I expect EVERY Manutd team to be on the front foot if we are chasing a game. Why make a sub at the 80th min? when the player coming on will touch the ball 3/4 times?
I am referring to his last 10 years in management. Last post of the day, so.
But being on the front foot having momentum has everything to do with it. It is what you want from a team. Two individuals lost that game. It happens.
 
What should Chelsea fans say then? They lost their best player, had a transfer ban and appointed another rookie manager?
They are thinking likewise, or at least the Chelsea fans I know are. And this is reflected in the Chelsea fan channels as well.
 
Any examples on that? Any obvious observations? For me he compensated very well last season with team fitness collapsing and all the injuries. People seem to forget how thin and stretched the personnel awailable was. This season I’ve watched all games. Two of them twice to look at it a bi more analytic. You can’t fault him one bit other than your own opinion that a sub MIGHT have changed things. For me a lot of people are making themselves look a bit naive themselves.

He’s not proactive and he’s not reactive. Seems to be one of those managers who thinks “ok were losing I’ll just throw on some strikers” . Which is done too late anyway when he does do it. It’s been far too easy for small teams to just play deep blocks and shut us off. Palace, Huddersfield, Wolves. If we’re not counter attacking we just pass the ball van Gaal style between our defence and midfield for an hour then we throw on Greenwood......
Like I said, I can take a defeat/s to better teams but we’re now getting to the stage where we are constantly dropping points against sides clearly weaker than us, going back to the end of last season.
There is nothing I’d like to see more than Ole succeed and come across as some masterful tactician. But at the moment he’s struggling a bit.

How did you feel when you saw the exact same under Moyes, LvG and Mourinho over the last six years?

I don’t get this, they were all sacked for performing badly, what’s your point exactly? That Solskjaer should go down the same route since all his predecessors did.

Wolves drew 1-1 at the Ethiad

They beat Chelsea, Arsenal as well last season?

Actually they drew 1-1 at Molineux completely undeservedly with a goal that was punched into the net by a wolves player. Not that Wolves beating those teams is relevant because Arsenal and Chelsea were complete trash in a number of games last season.
 
There is impatient and understanding the game. If we finished 10th with the squad we have he needs to go. We need to be ruthless. He would have been in the job for 18th months with no progress.

I feel his job is only safe if we achieve top 4. Yes we cannot cope with our biggest rivals competing for titles whilst we are in an ever transition period.

Right because changing the manager every 2/3 years has really worked for us, hasn't it. At least Ole gets the club, he's United through and through no other manager out there is like that.

This is Ole's transition so its stats again, he has to clear up the mess that other managers have left behind, and we are being ruthless - Lukkaku, Sanchez, Smalling, Darmien, Fellaini, Herrara and Valencia, all gone. This is a huge rebuild job and it starts by clearing out the deadwood first.

Learn to deal with it, it's going to take time and a lot of effort. Will be frustrating and depressing at times but the sooner people accept this, the better. We will return to the top, no doubt about it. We're a massive club with a lot of money, just badly run but Woodward is learning from his mistakes and there are signs of progression.
 
Right because changing the manager every 2/3 years has really worked for us, hasn't it. At least Ole gets the club, he's United through and through no other manager out there is like that.

This is Ole's transition so its stats again, he has to clear up the mess that other managers have left behind, and we are being ruthless - Lukkaku, Sanchez, Smalling, Darmien, Fellaini, Herrara and Valencia, all gone. This is a huge rebuild job and it starts by clearing out the deadwood first.

Learn to deal with it, it's going to take time and a lot of effort. Will be frustrating and depressing at times but the sooner people accept this, the better. We will return to the top, no doubt about it. We're a massive club with a lot of money, just badly run but Woodward is learning from his mistakes and there are signs of progression.

Oh I am dealing with it, I like the fact we didn't bow down to Dybala but top 4 IMO still has to be the target transition or not. We cannot let our expectations keep dropping. It's not like we are clearing out deadwood and not signing anyone?

Anyone can question this team, I think we have some real talent in that squad that in a few years is definitely capable of challenging. But top 4 has to be the aim this year.
 
f we’re not counter attacking we just pass the ball van Gaal style between our defence and midfield for an hour then we throw on Greenwood......

Actually they drew 1-1 at Molineux completely undeservedly with a goal that was punched into the net by a wolves player. Not that Wolves beating those teams is relevant because Arsenal and Chelsea were complete trash in a number of games last season.

I disagree, we have created chances in most games which should have been taken. We have had poor decision making in the final third. I guess you haven't actually watched any Manutd game this year?

Get over it, sometimes teams win and they do not deserve it, we won loads of games like that. So United were trash most of last season as well? I don't get your point?
 
Right because changing the manager every 2/3 years has really worked for us, hasn't it. At least Ole gets the club, he's United through and through no other manager out there is like that.

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Obvious and the most important reasons for hiring manager these days
 
I disagree, we have created chances in most games which should have been taken. We have had poor decision making in the final third. I guess you haven't actually watched any Manutd game this year?
Ah the old coulda woulda shoulda scored. Well fecking done to us managing to have shots on goal against Wolves, Southampton and Crystal Palace, we had 13 shots on target in those three games which tells you a lot. I don't know what there is to disagree with, we CLEARLY spent large portions of the games against Wolves, Palace and Southampton messing about with the ball pointlessly because we couldn't get through them, there are dozens of people on this website who have been saying the same thing.

Get over it, sometimes teams win and they do not deserve it, we won loads of games like that. So United were trash most of last season as well? I don't get your point?
Get over it? what? Get over what?
Erm, you're the one who thought it was relevant to mention Wolves' results against teams that have absolutely nothing to do with Manchester United. I merely pointed out that Chelsea and Arsenal were rubbish a lot last season like ourselves and so Wolves beating them doesnt carry some heavy weight.
 
What on earth are you talking about? SAF had won two European Cups and The Scottish championship and cup multiple times before joining us.
Ole has won the trpitier or whatever its called.. Can you name any other manager that has won the Norwegian league? No because nobody cares.
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All other managers? We missed out on Klopp and Guardiola who are probably the two best managers in world footy right now (though I think both are cnuts in their own way). Pochettino has given no indication he wants a move plus I think he's overrated on here. Who's available that is an ideal candidate? The renowned ones that are available are Allegri who fits the club about as good as Mou did and maybe Blanc if you even see him as a renowned option because he couldn't quite cut it at PSG.

I disagree that we're showing nothing on the pitch. I think the footy's easier on the eye than when Mou was in charge. And even though Woody didn't back him in the transfer market enough it's obvious he's taking our squad in the right direction. The ones he's brought in have all been solid and he's gotten rid of a lot of deadwood.

You say top four is the minimum requirement, I disagree. I very much see this as a transition season and if you look at the squad how can you not agree? We have the weakest squad out of all the top 6. Had Woody got Dybala/Sancho and Mandzukic/Longstaff in things would have been different but he didn't. I don't blame Ole for this and neither should anyone because this is obviously Ed's area. I'd say we should at least be playing good football and get top 6. Yes that's beneath us and it sucks but that's what's real right now and it's a result of years of bad management.

Since you are from The Netherlands what do you think of Erik ten Hag?
 
A Norweigan poster described the league as League 1 level. When people say Ole just needs time, they wouldn’t say the same if we hired a manager from the Championship and he was on this run of form.

That’s why people should be sceptical.
 
More worried that many think he should be given leeway to finish mid table. Wow. Imagine ignoring all the red flags and after 3-4 years of solid mediocrity we realise he isn't that good at the job.
 
Just hoping we can get 3 points vs LC, otherwise the negativity around the club and Ole will start to reach Jose level.
 
This forum are toxic, don`t know how you all can stand living in it. I don`t. 3/4 of the worlds population have a more or less relationship with Man Utd, so i get it, that is a lot of people and opinions. It is not possible to please them all, why even try, specially seen from within the angle of this forum. One of the most toxic forums i have ever been on, and i have not been on many :)

Why not make this interesting instead of bully your own manager, players, club (yes, club) - look in the mirror, and ask `how can this, bully that`?

Grow up a little and make this forum interesting also for grown ups .. be critical, but please, the most important - don`t be so boring, meaning so repeatedly negative without having anything else to say. That reflects back on you

: This is not trolling, and it will probably be deleted for reasons not known.

Come on, entertain me a little!
 
More worried that many think he should be given leeway to finish mid table. Wow. Imagine ignoring all the red flags and after 3-4 years of solid mediocrity we realise he isn't that good at the job.

We aren’t even primed for a top 6 finish this season, 10th to 7th is more likely. Am I happy about that? No, do I blame Ole for that No.
 
This forum are toxic, don`t know how you all can stand living in it. I don`t. 3/4 of the worlds population have a more or less relationship with Man Utd, so i get it, that is a lot of people and opinions. It is not possible to please them all, why even try, specially seen from within the angle of this forum. One of the most toxic forums i have ever been on, and i have not been on many :)

Why not make this interesting instead of bully your own manager, players, club (yes, club) - look in the mirror, and ask `how can this, bully that`?

Grow up a little and make this forum interesting also for grown ups .. be critical, but please, the most important - don`t be so boring, meaning so repeatedly negative without having anything else to say. That reflects back on you

: This is not trolling, and it will probably be deleted for reasons not known.

Come on, entertain me a little!
What keeps you here if it is so toxic?
 
We aren’t even primed for a top 6 finish this season, 10th to 7th is more likely. Am I happy about that? No, do I blame Ole for that No.
I'm just going to avoid starting the 45523th argument in this thread on whether or not that's a ridiculous notion.


(It is though)
 
I'm just going to avoid starting the 45523th argument in this thread on whether or not that's a ridiculous notion.


(It is though)

I think I’m just setting my own expectations so I’m not upset at the end of season, been doing that since Moyes got appointed.
 
Just hoping we can get 3 points vs LC, otherwise the negativity around the club and Ole will start to reach Jose level.
It's already en route there:

- Pogba liking Instagram posts about leaving United
- Matic's comments about being benched getting twisted
- the Wolves penalty incident being blamed on Ole
- some unknown source saying one the Glazers and senior players starting to grow restless with coaching methods
 
It's already en route there:

- Pogba liking Instagram posts about leaving United
- Matic's comments about being benched getting twisted
- the Wolves penalty incident being blamed on Ole
- some unknown source saying one the Glazers and senior players starting to grow restless with coaching methods
Havent come across this one. Link?

Edit: no worries. Found it myself
 
People mAke me laugh with the stop being negative comments. It's like the ship just hit an iceberg, turned on its side and half the people are overboard and there are still some people saying cheer up you whiney lot. It will be fine. A bit of spit and polish and we will be on our way.
 
This forum are toxic, don`t know how you all can stand living in it. I don`t. 3/4 of the worlds population have a more or less relationship with Man Utd, so i get it, that is a lot of people and opinions. It is not possible to please them all, why even try, specially seen from within the angle of this forum. One of the most toxic forums i have ever been on, and i have not been on many :)

Why not make this interesting instead of bully your own manager, players, club (yes, club) - look in the mirror, and ask `how can this, bully that`?

Grow up a little and make this forum interesting also for grown ups .. be critical, but please, the most important - don`t be so boring, meaning so repeatedly negative without having anything else to say. That reflects back on you

: This is not trolling, and it will probably be deleted for reasons not known.

Come on, entertain me a little!
You'd better refrain from this place if you find it toxic or believe that the posters are supposed to entertain you. Alternatively, you can contribute with something that will cheer up the posters who are unhappy aboutthe state of the club in the past 6 years. If there is something to be positive about objectively, come on lighten us up!
 
I don’t get this, they were all sacked for performing badly, what’s your point exactly? That Solskjaer should go down the same route since all his predecessors did.

The point is it's nothing new so highlighting Ole and saying it's worrying seems odd.
 
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