If it was not an ex United player most people here defending him would want him gone
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Any one else think he’d make a brilliant DoF? He has the vision of the club - think we’re heading in the right direction there - also could see him selling the dream to bag new signings.
Just can see him commanding respect in the changing room or controlling egos
Just can see him commanding respect in the changing room or controlling egos
There was no reason for Lingard to come on before Greenwood, other than being ranked as a more senior professional which is completely wrong as he offers nothing. Pogba seemed to spend more and more time drifting out to the left as well instead of being more central. Really poor from Ole again today. Greenwood should have been on as soon as they had a red.
I quite like him and I hope I a wrong, but I think he'll be out by Christmas.
It's early days, but I am a bit curious what his plan is? I mean, it's fairly obvious that we have a poor team and our squad is thin, so even the best managers would struggle to make top 4. So, a manager like Ole needs to gamble.
I was very disappointed when I saw the team sheet today. What's the point of playing Pereira? Perreira is the same as Lingard or Matic - a player that offers little in the present and will offer little in the future. I think the correct choice would have been to risk it with young players, who might not offer much now either, but could offer a lot in the future.
When the season started I was very excited because of the great talents we have from the youth team, but until now Greenwood has played only a handful of minutes, Chong made the match squad once, and Gomes never. Yet dross like Lingard or Pereira get picked every game.
It's early days, but I am a bit curious what his plan is? I mean, it's fairly obvious that we have a poor team and our squad is thin, so even the best managers would struggle to make top 4. So, a manager like Ole needs to gamble.
I was very disappointed when I saw the team sheet today. What's the point of playing Pereira? Perreira is the same as Lingard or Matic - a player that offers little in the present and will offer little in the future. I think the correct choice would have been to risk it with young players, who might not offer much now either, but could offer a lot in the future.
When the season started I was very excited because of the great talents we have from the youth team, but until now Greenwood has played only a handful of minutes, Chong made the match squad once, and Gomes never. Yet dross like Lingard or Pereira get picked every game.
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Why would he command any respect in the dressing room? The players know he was relegated with Cardiff.
They can’t sack him. They fecked him.
What chance has he got and what option is left for this shit show?
He has won a few things as a player
We should make Gary Neville the manager then.
Ok
I think he's busy clearing out the players who think that way. Which is a good thing, I'm sick of arrogant players who think they should only train and perform to their level if they want to, or if they feel they like that manager. They're paid professionals and too many of them have been acting like 12 year olds, clear from their fitness and performance levels.
Should be strike 3 for Woodward.
He's terrible at picking managers.
Unfortunately he won't demote himself and the Glazers don't care about success.
This is pretty much it.
I respect the opinion of every fan on this site I really do but at the moment it seems that those backing Ole are the ones thinking with their feelings (as opposed to their mind as you put it).
If it had been a couple of matches only with decent progress on the pitch then you are right it would be post match anger and fan entitlement. But as it is, the facts are really stacking up against Ole and only blind faith would say otherwise.
If we look at results, his record is awful since initial bounce. Results starting with his first loss to arsenal in march =(18/19)LWLWLLDDL/(19/20)WDLD. Times that by 3 to get a full season and it doesnt even hit 40 points. Thats relegation form.
Lets look at style of play, tactics and cohension. I know people want to see things but the reality is that I don't think there has been any improvement. Any positivity he brought has been washed away too with the results.
Then if we look at transfers window, yes his purchases look sound and he has got rid of some deadwood. However, not replacing them is a huge risk and its not paying off so far. His failure to bring in players where it was clear we needed them is negligence on his part and counters the good he has done and puts his judgement under question.
Finally, which kids is he introducing? We have a young team but that isn't down to him. Whereas Lampard is showing faith in their top youth talent, Ole is paying lipservice but playing Lingard and Perreira. Youth products but not youth. Mctominay and rashford were already established. If he really wanted to he bold he would play greenwood for longer than 10 minutes and give gomes time.
The play hasn’t been bad, the players are fecking useless
Yes, and then we'd want the next man that didn't win every game gone, and the next until eventually we'd realise maybe the manager isn't the main problem. Some of us have already reached that stage.
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That crossed my mind too.
Agreed, rather be shit under Ole than shit under someone else.
Interesting distinction. We seem to aim to sit back and hit on break with speed merchants then look toothless when breaking teams down. Its his job to coach attacking plays better or buy creative players to break down these situations. He does neither.
He has got what he was got, the useless puddings need to do more.
The point of my post to begin with was about how stressed Ole looks. Of course I’m guessing that he knows the state of the team. Hence me putting at the end “otherwise he is naive”.
Yes the team is good enough to beat teams like Southampton. And most times it probably will do. But the lack of quality means that it will be a lot more regular that we get results like this. The squad is the weakest in the top 6 in terms of actual top quality. It’s not even a debate. Especially midfield and attack.
We’ve regularly drawn against these teams, under far more experienced managers than Ole, so why are you surprised that it’s no different, considering the group of players we have is weaker now.
Fair enough. I don't understand why this transition is being made to look like such a big deal? Every new manager that gets hired adds like 2 years to where we are supposed to be. It's been 6 years without us competing for the title. At the rate, we've gotten rid of players, we should have transferred in players at that same rate this window. If we were planning on moving first team players like Lukaku, Sanchez and Herrera out, it was mandatory we had replacements lined up. Can't you see it all ties back to us not getting enough transfers in? Ole like I said has put a huge responsibility on Rashford, Martial and Greenwood to lead the line for United. If we couldn't buy players, we should have at the very least loaned some in. We needed two midfielders and we should have atleast got one in. We needed a RW and a ST, we should have atleast got one more attacker in. It's not ROCKET SCIENCE!
It is imperative that we at the very least make top 4 to attract talented players to come to United to facilitate the build. And I don't think we will make it at the rate at which we've been performing. We should be on par with Liverpool given the teams we've played. You can give Ole the time you need but at the end of the day, with every passing year we give Ole to get "it right", they more we are slipping behind Liverpool and City. Soon it'll be 10 years and we won't have a title to show for it.
“Breaking news: Manchester United appoints former Molde and Cardiff manager on a three year deal to replace Jose Mourinho”.
Imagine the scenes, If he wasn’t an Ex player he wouldn’t be here in the first place.
We all have seen this story before. Unless we are bottom half in December. Ole will continue to be the manager until we are mathematically out of top 4 and then he will be fired.
We will hire a new manager and the cycle will continue until we find our Klopp or Pep. Then the same board will be the best thing since sliced bread.
We will hire a new manager and the cycle will continue until we find our Klopp or Pep. Then the same board will be the best thing since sliced bread.
"Breaking news: Chelsea appoints Derby County manager Frank Lampard, whose only achievement is reaching the Championship play-off final"
Also, Guardiola was hired straight from the reserves. So I don't think the scenes would have been what you expected.
My guess:
Leicester (H) - loss, similar squad, better manager
West Ham (A) - draw, away game
Arsenal (H) - win, more naive in defending than even us
Newcastle (A) - draw, away game
Liverpool (H) - loss, I expect it to be an absolute drubbing
Norwich (A) - win, being pretty bold here but they seem to be an attacking team which we can exploit.
So 8 points from next 6 games, I think this keeps us in the race for 4th.
Our squad has less depth and balance than when Ole took over. He's also having to start a has been LW at RB and his only options off the bench are a 17 year old and a "Number 10" who wouldn't get a game for Stoke.
Ole's a shit manager but sacking him isn't going to save anything. Nobody's achieving anything with this squad. We've truly hit rock bottom and it's that cnut Woodward's fault. feck him, what did people expect after that disastrous transfer window?
Ole's a shit manager but sacking him isn't going to save anything. Nobody's achieving anything with this squad. We've truly hit rock bottom and it's that cnut Woodward's fault. feck him, what did people expect after that disastrous transfer window?
I agree 100% but I don't see how Ole is to blame which is what you were arguing
we are quite fecked I think in some ways. We obviously haven't replaced the players who've left and the squad is at least 3/4 quality players light - add to that the likelihood we will have to replace De Gea and Pogba, Rojo will still be there, Young will still be there, Shaw/Fred still won't be good enough and the other question marks and you are looking at a huge summer next year. As I said the squad isn't good enough
One reason for the lack of signings is the lack of structures in place - we aren't run as a football club, we are a business and as long as the money rolls in we are successful to the owners. It was laughable that we announced we were stepping up our search for a DoF 12 months after starting it in our failed window of 2018. We don't have the structures in place and Woodward seems reluctant to give up his reponsibility. Listening to the Rant Cast podcast the other day and it was suggested that a number of prospective DoF have backed away from the chance of the job - apparently due to the role of Woodward in having the final say - he's an investment banker and shouldn't be anywhere near making footballing decisions
the other view is that the Glazers haven't invested much the last 4 windows because they are gearing up for a sale. Rumours persist about this and it would explain the lack of spending and the extending of contracts like Jones, Smalling, Young - much more economical extending them than spending 20/30/40m on players
Ole might not be the one to return us to challenging for the title but either way you can't blame him for the lack of signings - that's on the Glazers and their stooge - until they feck off we won't be competing properly I think.
Disagree. We've looked better than we did during last season's slide at the end, where we got blown away 0-3 and 0-4. We got close a few times had Lingard done better, and were unlucky to lose to Palace.
Worst immediate start since 92-93. He’s already under pressure for results. Patience is going to be difficult
Sorry but you can’t blame Pogba...yes he lost the ball a lot today and did not play well but he is played far too deep and with nobody creative in front, he is trying to do it all. The last 4 games just shows that Pogba can’t play consistently well in front of the defense. He is best used as a creative midfielder upfront. Just look how he got better when Matic got in and he could move up the pitch. It only from that moment Rashford start getting through balls as well. He has great ability no doubt, best creative and offensive midfielder of the team so needs to be used that way. I am sure Ole will get that sooner than later and go back to a 4-3-3 that allows Pogba to move more forward.
We got 5 points too out of our first 12 in LVG first season iirc, or does the stat mean something different ?
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Don't think it does.
I don't know why that line keeps getting touted unless I'm missing something.
We won once, drew twice and lost once in our opening 4 under LVG. Our GD was also +3. Oddly, the scorelines are almost the exact same bar a 0-0 draw under Van Gaal instead of two 1-1 draws.
No. The guy is a dreamer. Not steely enough. Who knows what his 'vision' is? Look at his management. You tell me his vision?
Hero. Lovely guy. But he's learning on the job. We can see it.
Oles going to make Jose look like Fergie by December.
It’s not that simple, we are relying on him like we used to rely on Bryan robson but pogba isn’t fit to lace his boots.
xG stats were valued here when we were winning games playing poorly under Jose. Now, no one here cares about those stats. You see the pattern now, right?
Yeah there are many actual stats we can criticize him with. No need to invent others.
Fine.... I'll give Ole the benefit of the doubt and for the sake of simplicity, I will put the blame on Ed and the Glazers for the lack of signings. How about the current state of affairs? Under Ole's management, we've not been able to figure out Wolves since the last couple times we've played them. With the current team, we may not be able to compete for the title but at the very least, we should be able to beat a Palace team at home as well as beat a Southampton team that was recently trashed by Liverpool 3-0. I don't see how Ole gets a free pass of the series of bad results he's managed to pull through. If this was Mourinho, we would all be calling for a sack but since it's Ole, let's give him some time. Is this going to be the tone for the rest of the season? Are we going to blame Ed and the Glazers for not investing when we lose to a bottom half team? I mean if Ole and the team are going to struggle against every bottom half team, I certainly see an issue with management and tactics. At the end of the day, it's management and the best managers are those that are able to make do with the resources they have at their disposal. (Eg, Conte...... Conte took a Chelsea team that finished 10th in the league in 15/16 and won the league after adding Kante to the team)
Agree with what you say which means one word, he is Clueless.
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