Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Teams that don’t aspire to be the best.

It’s sad but it’s true. I can’t think of one big European club that would put up with it apart from United and it’s “we must back the manager no matter what” fan base.
Ridiculous tradition. It's time for a change. Back who, a manager who doesn't know what he is doing? We have been here 7 years now. The club doesn't feel how some of us feel, I really feel sick, they don't respect us.
 
I dont care about the last season set of results. I'm just baffled he let sold or froze 4 central midfielders without replacing a single one. And then froze or sold 2 star attackers without replacing a single one.

It's quite hilarious really. He probably has some misguided romantic belief in the United youth players to do another '99 and play level with the likes of Augameyang, KDB, Son, Mane, Pedro etc.

Odd thing is, he isn't even really giving the youth a chance. Greenwood getting 8 minutes at the end of games is hardly giving them a proper shot.
 
Odd thing is, he isn't even really giving the youth a chance. Greenwood getting 8 minutes at the end of games is hardly giving them a proper shot.

It's more like i predicted. Like all managers he's shit his pants and reverted to type by going back to the experienced players to try to rescue us ie. Young, Mata, Lingard and Matic today.

Ole seems to want to be seen as a manager that brings through the youth without actually committing to it. Instead he tries to rescue results by not trusting youth and, in the end, fails to get the results. It's the worst outcome for our supporters if we're being honest.

If we were playing youth players then i think people could accept it really is a transitional period with a clear route being taken. The reality looks nothing like that right now though.
 
If you can't control outcomes and results, what exactly is the purpose of a manager?
If managers could control results they would choose to win every time no? Better to listen to the full quote from 3:25.
 
If you can't control outcomes and results, what exactly is the purpose of a manager?
To be the exact opposite, which is process-oriented.

"God, grant me serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference."

The manager can't do anything about the variance of individuals' finishing and shot stopping during the match.
 
Fine.... I'll give Ole the benefit of the doubt and for the sake of simplicity, I will put the blame on Ed and the Glazers for the lack of signings. How about the current state of affairs? Under Ole's management, we've not been able to figure out Wolves since the last couple times we've played them. With the current team, we may not be able to compete for the title but at the very least, we should be able to beat a Palace team at home as well as beat a Southampton team that was recently trashed by Liverpool 3-0. I don't see how Ole gets a free pass of the series of bad results he's managed to pull through. If this was Mourinho, we would all be calling for a sack but since it's Ole, let's give him some time. Is this going to be the tone for the rest of the season? Are we going to blame Ed and the Glazers for not investing when we lose to a bottom half team? I mean if Ole and the team are going to struggle against every bottom half team, I certainly see an issue with management and tactics. At the end of the day, it's management and the best managers are those that are able to make do with the resources they have at their disposal. (Eg, Conte...... Conte took a Chelsea team that finished 10th in the league in 15/16 and won the league after adding Kante to the team)
fine margins in those games

I missed the Wolves game but by all accounts on here we were fantastic in the first half and a wonder goal and penalty miss cost us

Palace another penalty miss and sloppy mistakes from De Gea and the CBs - we dominated the game but lacked quality in attack

today especially in the first half we had great spells - when we didnt get a second goal the equaliser was almost expected

a common thread in the three games - a lack of quality in attack (creating chances/finishing) - we should be putting those teams away.

its hard to see the solution - as you said yourself you dont rate Rashford that highly. Ole's only real option is to throw in Gomes/Greenwood and that's a lot of pressure on the kids

its gonna be a difficult year but we have to give the players we have a chance to improve - obviously Ole has a huge role in coaching so we will see what he can do this year - I'm gonna be patient and give him thr opportunity

we've no choice otherwise anyway have we
 
Fine.... I'll give Ole the benefit of the doubt and for the sake of simplicity, I will put the blame on Ed and the Glazers for the lack of signings. How about the current state of affairs? Under Ole's management, we've not been able to figure out Wolves since the last couple times we've played them. With the current team, we may not be able to compete for the title but at the very least, we should be able to beat a Palace team at home as well as beat a Southampton team that was recently trashed by Liverpool 3-0. I don't see how Ole gets a free pass of the series of bad results he's managed to pull through. If this was Mourinho, we would all be calling for a sack but since it's Ole, let's give him some time. Is this going to be the tone for the rest of the season? Are we going to blame Ed and the Glazers for not investing when we lose to a bottom half team? I mean if Ole and the team are going to struggle against every bottom half team, I certainly see an issue with management and tactics. At the end of the day, it's management and the best managers are those that are able to make do with the resources they have at their disposal. (Eg, Conte...... Conte took a Chelsea team that finished 10th in the league in 15/16 and won the league after adding Kante to the team)


Sorry to pick but Liverpool beat Southampton 2.1 not 3.0. A manager is only as good as his players . Look at Pep in his 1st season in England he struggled with the players he had but be was backed to the hilt unlike Ole .
I've blamed every manger since Sir Alex left but now I'm not and its simply because of the way the club is being run . We have went from champions to having a squad that won't probably finish top 6 and having spent something over 800 million maybe more . It's embarrassing when you look at the squad of players we have. The reason Chelsea won trophies with new managers is possibly because they have had quality at the club unlike ourselves . Maybe the best Ole can do with this squad of players is top 6 ?
 
Odd thing is, he isn't even really giving the youth a chance. Greenwood getting 8 minutes at the end of games is hardly giving them a proper shot.

The fact Greenwood was our only attacking option at that point is a “proper shot”. The lean squad we’ve ended up with is heavily reliant on the likes of Greenwood. He’ll play a hell of a lot of first team football this season. He has to. Quibbling about minutes in early season games is really missing the point.

People keep bringing up Lampard at Chelsea as an example of someone who is doing a better job of giving youth a chance. My arse he is. In terms of proper first team senior football, the likes of Abrahams and Mount are much more comparable to James than Greenwood. A better comparison would be Neketiah, Foden or Parrott. Look how many minutes they’ve been getting for Arsenal, City or Spurs this season.
 
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Nonsense? Do you think OGS spent badly this summer? No he bought well but you can hardly build a good side without getting rid of the players we all know were not good enough?
talk of missing the point endlessly.:lol: I tell you Woodward didn't support yet another manager enough in the window, like he HAS over 4 seasons.

You offer up a ludicrous defence of Woodward, centered around 'he spends heavy' but 'buys were bad' which I declare is nonsense. Asking YOU, in particular, to tells us then who you think spent 'both heavily and badly'. And the best you can come up with is that some how I (the person who ALREADY told you Woodward regularly screws over his managers in the window) supposedly think Solksjaer 'recruited badly':lol::lol::lol:.


I always get amazed at the lengths people on here will go to avoid admiring woowward is a terminal problem to Manchester united and whoever takes the managerial seat
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To be the exact opposite, which is process-oriented.

"God, grant me serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference."

The manager can't do anything about the variance of individuals' finishing and shot stopping during the match.
But he can do a lot a lot to improve it. Look at our final third, we seem like we are not training, we don't know what to do.
 
But he can do a lot a lot to improve it. Look at our final third, we seem like we are not training, we don't know what to do.

Exactly! If a team sits back we are fecked. We can’t break them down. No attacking plan. No idea!
 
Any one else think he’d make a brilliant DoF? He has the vision of the club - think we’re heading in the right direction there - also could see him selling the dream to bag new signings.

Just can see him commanding respect in the changing room or controlling egos
That was mooted around the cafe when he was on his winning run as an interim manager. It would have been a great win-win. Then we went and gave him the full time position without even considering other managers. I don't think the dof move is salvageable now.
 
To be the exact opposite, which is process-oriented.

"God, grant me serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference."

The manager can't do anything about the variance of individuals' finishing and shot stopping during the match.

Using that logic, no managers can ever be blamed for their teams losing. It always comes back to the players. Might as well have kept Moyes, it was the players then as well.
 
Odd thing is, he isn't even really giving the youth a chance. Greenwood getting 8 minutes at the end of games is hardly giving them a proper shot.

Yeah said exactly the same. Greenwood plays the odd 10 minutes and Gomes is always out of the squad. No sight of Garner as well. You can't get what he wants to do with the team. Sold many senior players in attack and midfield, and still not giving the youth much chances, so what is the point exactly? Might as well have tried to keep these players as squad options if you aren't planning to play the youth.

That's the problem. The guy doesn't seem to have a single clue what he wants to do with the team, thus I can't get the truth people are putting into him to rebuild. I can't see any plan or vision.
 
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He is a charlatan and he knows it. Ha has no clue, talks about work ethic and United way. Dont care what he did as a player, as a manager he isnt good enough. Same for Neville and his shit punditry. If he had any decency, he would step down instead of dragging us further down. And yes, we can still fall much lower, with him in charge everything is possible.

And the rebuild can only happen with someone good enough, which he clearly isnt, at least as a manager and coach, he is failing in every aspect.
 
Might as well have kept Fellaini then so he can let all the fans blame Fellaini for not winning against these kind of clubs.
These are the exact kind of games we need a big fella.
I really don't understand why anyone thinks he is a good choice? We said Moyes was not good enough because he has not won anything.
We said Jose plays anti football. So why Ole?
What has he done as a Manager to be kept as manager of one of the biggest clubs in the World?
 
Fine.... I'll give Ole the benefit of the doubt and for the sake of simplicity, I will put the blame on Ed and the Glazers for the lack of signings. How about the current state of affairs? Under Ole's management, we've not been able to figure out Wolves since the last couple times we've played them. With the current team, we may not be able to compete for the title but at the very least, we should be able to beat a Palace team at home as well as beat a Southampton team that was recently trashed by Liverpool 3-0. I don't see how Ole gets a free pass of the series of bad results he's managed to pull through. If this was Mourinho, we would all be calling for a sack but since it's Ole, let's give him some time. Is this going to be the tone for the rest of the season? Are we going to blame Ed and the Glazers for not investing when we lose to a bottom half team? I mean if Ole and the team are going to struggle against every bottom half team, I certainly see an issue with management and tactics. At the end of the day, it's management and the best managers are those that are able to make do with the resources they have at their disposal. (Eg, Conte...... Conte took a Chelsea team that finished 10th in the league in 15/16 and won the league after adding Kante to the team)

This to me is the problem. Last year I couldn’t care about what happened in the summer transfer window. All I cared was if the manager was making use of the squad he had and when we lost to Brighton, I thought Jose couldn’t take this team anywhere from there.

Even if we had got in maguire and perisic or whoever Jose wanted, we would still have stank the place. I feel that with ole, I have reached that point. No matter who we had brought in the summer, I think ole would have still failed.He got a free pass, atleast from me, all of last season. But the palace result was the last straw for me.

We can blame the squad all we want. We can blame Ed/glazers and we have every right to do that. But I am sorry 1 point out of the last two games for me is indefensible, even ignoring the last season form.

The only worry I have now is that the voices of ole out shouldn’t at the same time drown that of Ed/glazers out. I would rather see the latter go first.
 
Last week before Crystal Palace I took issue with Ole saying he hadnt watched our match against them the season before. This match makes me further suspicious of the tactical analysis and training we're doing before matches.
 
I really don't understand why anyone thinks he is a good choice? We said Moyes was not good enough because he has not won anything.
We said Jose plays anti football. So why Ole?
What has he done as a Manager to be kept as manager of one of the biggest clubs in the World?

It's what he did as a player mate...

That's what all the fans who are backing him are basing their decision on - whether they admit that or not.

In fact, as utterly surreal a sentence as this is - if you took away that goal, over 20 years ago, he'd never be anywhere near the Utd manager's job.

His appointment is one of the most overly-emotional, illogical managerial moves in top level footy for decades.
 
It's what he did as a player mate...

That's what all the fans who are backing him are basing their decision on - whether they admit that or not.

In fact, as utterly surreal a sentence as this is - if you took away that goal, over 20 years ago, he'd never be anywhere near the Utd manager's job.

His appointment is one of the most overly-emotional, illogical managerial moves in top level footy for decades.

His appointment is worse than Moyes and Moyes was an awful appointment at the time too.

Moyes though at least was relatively successful in the Premier League.

This should cost Ed his job if we had ambitious owners.
 
Yes I was all for him as caretaker manager and then the idiots appointed him after we beat PSG. Now I hate the fact we beat PSG that night. The consequence of that win was terrible for United.
 
Who would even be available if he doesn't make it to the end of the season? Can't think of anyone.
 
Agree with what you say which means one word, he is Clueless.
He isn't clueless , he is only following what glazer want him to do. Getting rid of those with huge wage but unpopular among fans and replace them with mediocre academy graduate , saving lots of money while keep being a positive and happy manager no matter what the results ,an absolute puppet which is why i don't think he is going to get sacked even if we are relegated. A well running football club would replace an expensive players with another expensive players and send their youngster on loan to see their progress only to keep the best, meanwhile this puppet keep endorsing them as if they are world beater already ,because He support glazer money saving policy.
 
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Saw this earlier.

That's a shocking stat to me. Our structure in build up is still so poor.
 
Hes making his bed. A very bizzare assumption on youth to carry us to top 4. This isn't the 90s, every club is rich now.

Yeah the guy is stuck in a 1990's time warp where players played for the shirt,sorry Ole those days are long gone and his tactics are more ancient than a dinosaur.

He just had to be more demanding of signings before he took the job permanently,however he decided to just play ball and save the owners money instead.
 
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Takes way too long to make subs

That is really starting to get right up my nose,unbelievably he keeps on making the same mistake with subs every single game. When is he ever going to make a proactive rather than reactive move.

Know this won't go down well with people but maybe it would have been better if we got beat in Paris. Maybe then we wouldn't have appointed him on a permanent basis so swiftly.
 
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You gotta give him credit for letting the youngsters play... Putting Lingard on when we desperately needs a goal is putting faith in the youth!

Yeah you just knew he would play safe and turn to Lingard rather than roll the dice and bring on Chong instead. Jesse is robbing someone decent of a place in that England squad too.
 


Saw this earlier.

That's a shocking stat to me. Our structure in build up is still so poor.

It's not surprising. He goes for a two man midfield of Pogba and Mctominay which tell me cares little for bal retention and possession play. Seems to want to bypass the midfield, and if that's the case he'll keep getting shown up by other managers who know the importance of the midfield.
 
As much as I didn't like Fellaini, how is Periera better than him? I'd anyday have the gangly toothbrush in my midfield over such a weak and pointless player.
 
The comments in here are laughable.

There is no manager on earth that sends his Goalkeeper out to parry a ball his should catch nor tells his Centre Back to position himself so terribly he can’t compete for a header.

Some of his team choices may baffle but his ideas are continually undermined by individual errors.

We could have Pep in charge & he couldn’t improve these players, he’d need to buy a new squad.

The man has had countless senior players leave & not be replaced, no manager would want their squad decimated like this.

That being said he needs to resign & call out the regime; how anybody could say this squad has come together by design amazes me.

Yeah he should walk away while he has still got that legendary status,because too many more results like this and he could end up remembered for a dreadful reign.
 
It was the wrong appointment at the time, showed nothing to suggest he is capable of turning things around, the way he was failed to close down this past season was telling of things to come.

Yeah looks exactly what I thought a cheap appointment to appease the fans,just sums up how little Woody gives a shit about this club doesn't it.
 
Andreas is not better. He can run though.
Yeah, aimlessly. I had no qualms about Fellaini going as he's a mis fit. But he's miles better than Periera, who is weak, slow and mostly confused. Even when we had to replace old toothbrush, we managed to do it badly and with someone even worse.
 
I agree with part of the criticism of Ole, but where do we go now? We've gone down every road:

- Premier League proven manager;
- Master strategist;
- Serial winner;
- Club legend.

So what is it gonna be now? Keep changing managers and hope someday we get one that will magically solve all the underlying problems?
At this stage it takes a very special kind of fool to not realise what the common factor is here:

- Ed Woodward, who represents the interests of the Glazers, and not of MUFC as a sporting association.

Ed Woodward won't go anywhere, just forget it. He's a good employee who does exactly what his bosses want him to.
Actually, the reason why we don't have a DoF is the fact that the Glazers don't want anyone but Woodward handling the major decisions in the club.
So, the major issue in the club lies in:

- the Glazers, who are evidently not interested at all in leading the club back to it's previous status, specially since they realised they can make a ton of money even if the team is a running joke.

The Glazers are getting away with murder. Their strategy works perfectly: the manager always takes the hard part of the criticism and they get none but some people saying stuff online.

- No protests;
- No boycotts;
- No contact with sponsors to convey how much their image is being damaged.

And that is from the self-called "most toxic fans in the world". You can't make this shit up.

If you believe a new manager is what we need, I have bad news for you.
The only thing that can save this club is the supporters (specially those who like to refer to others as armchair supporters) getting their asses up, organising and taking extreme measures against those who are defiling it.
 
I agree with part of the criticism of Ole, but where do we go now? We've gone down every road:

- Premier League proven manager;
- Master strategist;
- Serial winner;
- Club legend.

So what is it gonna be now? Keep changing managers and hope someday we get one that will magically solve all the underlying problems?
At this stage it takes a very special kind of fool to not realise what the common factor is here:

- Ed Woodward, who represents the interests of the Glazers, and not of MUFC as a sporting association.

Ed Woodward won't go anywhere, just forget it. He's a good employee who does exactly what his bosses want him to.
Actually, the reason why we don't have a DoF is the fact that the Glazers don't want anyone but Woodward handling the major decisions in the club.
So, the major issue in the club lies in:

- the Glazers, who are evidently not interested at all in leading the club back to it's previous status, specially since they realised they can make a ton of money even if the team is a running joke.

The Glazers are getting away with murder. Their strategy works perfectly: the manager always takes the hard part of the criticism and they get none but some people saying stuff online.

- No protests;
- No boycotts;
- No contact with sponsors to convey how much their image is being damaged.

And that is from the self-called "most toxic fans in the world". You can't make things up.

If you believe a new manager is what we need, I have bad news for you.
The only thing that can save this club is the supporters (specially those who like to refer to others as armchair supporters) getting their asses up, organising and taking extreme measures against those who are defiling it.
You keep going till you find the right one. You can try 5 experienced/newbie managers before finding the correct fit. But it doesn't mean that out of exhaustion, you refuse to budge from the wrong one.

Woodward has to go regardless. He's been uterelt useless at his job.
 
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