Not in public though, not savaging by Jose standards.
Maybe that's what you think should happen?
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Maybe that's what you think should happen?
The fixtures were very kind to Ole. (Still did an amazing job).
But had these results come first, would he have got the job?
It's been a weird kind of appointment in that the board were snookered into giving him the job.
I'm not going over board, just have to give him a couple of Windows to sort this mess out.
But had these results come first, would he have got the job?
It's been a weird kind of appointment in that the board were snookered into giving him the job.
I'm not going over board, just have to give him a couple of Windows to sort this mess out.
He does his work cut out for him. I don't think it's as simple as selling a few and signing a few players, we have fitness issues, the players are mentally fragile and we have one too many 'moments' players. That's not even going into the contract issue with players like Herrera and DDG. I hope it's not too much to do for Ole.
Because we have a multi-million second most expensive squad, well backed by the board and Ole should work with what he has as he is given everything he needed, he just need to make most of the players we have and we will win the league. Otherwise he should go.
I mean that was the expectation at the start of the season right?
Just because that's the price on their heads, doesn't mean they are worth it or have the ability that price commands.
What we paid doesn't equate to ability
When we knew the next manager needed a few windows to sort out the club - why go with a manager that doesn't have much experience in building his own squad at this level. His transfer business at Cardiff was shocking - left the club in a bad place and ultimately got the club relegated.
Surely as I have already mentioned - Utd needed a long term 3-5 year plan at minimum and needed to appoint a premier league proven manager who has a track record of building good squads. One name comes to mind and his first name starts with M and surname starts with P..
Bbut but our players are all expensive and talented! It's Mourinho outdated tactics at fault! Now that his toxicity is removed, we should be challenging for the title!
Isn't that right, or have standards dropped? Do you need to bump up the season expectation thread?
You want to check the league table since Jose was sacked? We need improvement in players, no doubt about it but it was way better than what Jose had us playing. You Jose fans should relax, he is gone. He is one of the reason for this mess, I mean the big reason for this mess.
I think he is gone by Easter next year.
Don't understand people talking about him being ruthless with the squad in the summer. Extending Jones four years? What the bleep? Young was one year so it's minor and he seems to be loyal with the club but we saw yesterday he ain't good enough for us really.
Don't understand people talking about him being ruthless with the squad in the summer. Extending Jones four years? What the bleep? Young was one year so it's minor and he seems to be loyal with the club but we saw yesterday he ain't good enough for us really.
Start of the season maybe, definitely not by the time Jose was sacked and Ole started the job. He’s performing a miracle to even have us where we are at the moment. The team looks knackered and in serious need of a clear out, with half the squad being nowhere near the required standard and others actively looking to leave.
So because of chances people missed and individual errors Ole isn’t good enough based off of one game?
Never change dude, never change.
Uhm no matter how you slice it, Jose was at fault, and the main reason for that matter. It was even his players Fred and Young who shat the bed last night. We remain technically deficient in many areas because he prioritised physicality over actually knowing how to play football. Even that long ball Young keeps hoofing to Lukaku was his plan A and B
Our poor games seem to come against teams who play 5 at the back, seems to expose our weakness in the system Ole uses.
It's a weakness in the squad itself, rather than the formation. We have very few people who can take a man on individually in tight spaces. This is why buying somebody like Sancho is so important.
Chelsea have Hazard who can get the ball with markers surrounding him and still dribble/create something. City have the Silvas/Sterling.
It's no surprise that teams that sit back and defend and try to counter usually give us a tricky match, where as when they come to attack us we look much better.
PSG did this in the first leg, 2nd leg at home they came at us.
Wolves are probably the best in the league right now at closing off space and countering, it's no surprise we've had trouble in 3 matches against them.
Only Martial/Pogba/Shaw/Rashford can take players on in our squad, but only Martial really can actually take a man on 1v1, but he's very inconsistent.
That's the issue I think, there are not that many options available to us.
Considering the rebuilding that still needs to be done to the playing staff Poch was off the menu, he would have cost too much, the board are unwilling to spend any more compensation on a manager.
I have it also on great authority that Zidane was unofficially asked as to his availability, which was a polite no due to the Real situation, he always knew he was going back.
Allegri would have cost too and his pragmatic style of play wouldn't have sat well with many,
Realistically any other options would have been a gamble too .
Ole has proved himself up til now, and it's times like this that he has to earn his bacon and win over the few doubters.
3 centre backs surrounding Lukaku and Lingard is always a bad idea.
True, but Sherwood didn't have OGS legendary status - a factor which makes this appointment soooo much more dangerous for everyone concerned (including Woodward).
These posts sum it up (one of them from City fan...) - it was literally insane to commit to giving him the job so early...
It was pointless, in that there was literally no point in doing it, no one else wanted him, he was happy just to be here, and we had just lost 2 games in a row.
Where was the fecking need to give it to him? I mean seriously, this is just getting laughable.
Then the back-tracking over a DoF.
Ed Woodward is a fecking joke, and this appointment, and the utterly needless nature of it will go down in his literal procession of laughably shit decisions...
Moyes contract
Rooney contract
LvG being kept too long
The manner of the sacking of LvG
Sanchez contract and wages
Extending Mourinho's contract...
and then not backing him
Endless new contracts for midtable dross
Appointing OGS on the back of a sugar-rush bounce when he has shown very little substance and just lost 2 (now 3) games in a row...
Backtracking on DoF
Just fecking get Woodward out of this great club, now.
We're now stuck with (imo) a midtable manager who the fans are sentimentally deeply connected to, no DoF, and utter clowns for owners.
Just get them out. Please.
We are such a great business opportunity for literally any owner, please, just let someone who isn't this inept buy the fecking club.
For a director of biggest club in the world, you'd expect Ed Woodward to make decision that only 1% would think of. To do the undoability but he made exact decision average caf posters would make. For that reason I ain't looking for summer at all, Woodward taking us to nowhere.
There's no telling Ole good at signing players, he's still fairly new to this, he'd never been in this level before, even Zidane isn't good at signing new players. It would not be a problem if we had proper structure but we do not.
Klopp had a style and it was evident from day 1. If you want to ignore the facts and argue, fine go ahead with it.
Don't let your emotions towards Ole drive you . Just call the spade as spade. This more points under Ole argument itself is a myth. We pretty much had a rough ride in almost all key matches except for the FA cup matches against arsenal and chelsea. Yes, we coasted smoothly against the bottom sides but its expected out of us anyway.
Fred as DM, Young as CB - I have no idea what he was thinking . If it was LVG or Jose, they will be slaughtered for that team selection.
And you think that squad is not worse than us?
To be fair, if our board wanted Poch. They'd have gotten him.
Issue is with squad quality. Only de gea and pogba are even close to world class. Martial is getting there. The rest of the players are top 6 quality, proven over the last 5 years!
The squad needed big investment last Summer, it needed it this January and it will need even more now this Summer. If Woodward and the Glazers don't spend a lot this Summer it is time for fans to kick off.
The squad needed big investment last Summer, it needed it this January and it will need even more now this Summer. If Woodward and the Glazers don't spend a lot this Summer it is time for fans to kick off.
Some of the reactions on here are unbelievable. Jesus.
Paying the price for Woodward's and Jose's f*ck ups during that infamous summer window which was a total miscommunication between club's business and football structures.
Jose should be the one who's ruthless to underwhelming players but that didn't happen and Ole is left with clusterf*ck of a team.
Jose should be the one who's ruthless to underwhelming players but that didn't happen and Ole is left with clusterf*ck of a team.
Exactly. Before people start jumping on the maybe Jose was right bandwagon, try to remember that he decided to keep much of the dross past another summer and let’s add Fellaini to that also, who Ole’s already offloaded.
Shaw's form this season probably has him in top 3 LB in Europe to be fair.
Holy feck I cant believe this conversation is actually happening. You want the facts? Inside Klopps first 10 league games for Liverpool, here were some of his results:
- Liverpool 1-1 Southampton
- Liverpool 1-2 Crystal Palace
- Newcastle 2-0 Liverpool
- Liverpool 2-2 West Brom
- Watford 3-0 Liverpool
- West Ham 2-0 Liverpool (the 13th game tbf)
Basically stop talking out of your ass and being overly dramatic. It's like you've never watched football before so are overreacting when a team loses a couple of games despite going like 15 previous without losing.
Also what the feck, how is "more points under Ole" a myth? We are literally top of the league since he became our manager. What were your minimum expectations of him? Winning every single game? Heres a fun fact for you - our highest ever points total was 91 points. Ole's record since he took over has us on pace for 88/89 points. Those are the pure, raw facts. Whatever the feck you're arguing is just you looking like a 12 year old and not realizing that teams will occasionally play poorly, teams will lose games, no team will dominate every big team away from home, etc.
So many deadwood in the team. No wonder we couldn't hold possession or finish off easy changes. Mentally fragile players, who have have no belief in their technicality or have a footballing brain. How are we to finish top 4 with these lot.
I can't believe so many people are already blaming or doubting him. He hasn't even had a single transfer window and obviously needs at least some time to sort out this mess of a squad.
His first weeks/months were thrilling and we had a fantastic run. I do think we were over preforming though, with a few lucky wins here and there. And like others have mentioned, this still is a Mourinho squad. So we shouldn't be too quick to judge and see how he builds his own.
It is going to be a massive task but I'm still convinced he's our man!
His first weeks/months were thrilling and we had a fantastic run. I do think we were over preforming though, with a few lucky wins here and there
. And like others have mentioned, this still is a Mourinho squad. So we shouldn't be too quick to judge and see how he builds his own.It is going to be a massive task but I'm still convinced he's our man!
I couldn’t have put it better myself! The decision to appoint Solskjaer before the end of the season ranks alongside giving Moyes a 6 year contract. I had a horrible feeling as soon as he was made permanent manager the wheels would start to come off. I hope I’m wrong I really do but Pochettino was there for the taking. Spurs might have a shiny new stadium but it’s the same old flaky bottlers Spurs when it comes to actually winning anything - he’s taken them as far as he can and would be ripe for a new challenge. A panic driven wasted opportunity in my opinion.
fecking waste of a post when you conveniently ignore the basic points being made. Where on earth did i say , klopp had better results? . So stop putting words from your mouth . I said they had a plan and he was implementing it just fine. As long as we are doing it, I.am least bothered about the results . Are we doing it? fecking No .Holy feck I cant believe this conversation is actually happening. You want the facts? Inside Klopps first 10 league games for Liverpool, here were some of his results:
Quality. Absolutely quality results right? Clear facts of Klopps style working and an instant impact.
- Liverpool 1-1 Southampton
- Liverpool 1-2 Crystal Palace
- Newcastle 2-0 Liverpool
- Liverpool 2-2 West Brom
- Watford 3-0 Liverpool
- West Ham 2-0 Liverpool (the 13th game tbf)
Basically stop talking out of your ass and being overly dramatic. It's like you've never watched football before so are overreacting when a team loses a couple of games despite going like 15 previous without losing.
Also what the feck, how is "more points under Ole" a myth? We are literally top of the league since he became our manager. What were your minimum expectations of him? Winning every single game? Heres a fun fact for you - our highest ever points total was 91 points. Ole's record since he took over has us on pace for 88/89 points. Those are the pure, raw facts. Whatever the feck you're arguing is just you looking like a 12 year old and not realizing that teams will occasionally play poorly, teams will lose games, no team will dominate every big team away from home, etc.
And it doesn't happen when you can't even get your fecking team selection right. What you got to say about Fred as DM and young as CB ? We were the ones who slammed Jose and LVG for their weird team selection. So don't expect a free pass for Ole either.
I do think those who wanted to wait till summer for the contract, even though I wanted and still want him (with all the criticism I did for his terrible management yesterday) and can't see an available better choice for now, but at the same they have a point.
We rush in giving fat contracts without waiting on the slightest form improvement. I don't get this. Every player plays well for 2-3 months gets a new shiny contract. Same for managers as well, Mourinho last season and Ole now. It's like as soon as we find something good we hurry and splash contracts on them instead of waiting a little and seeing the whole picture.
Not that I didn't want Ole to get the job but these opinions are valid. The way we run the club is still random and not planned at all.
We rush in giving fat contracts without waiting on the slightest form improvement. I don't get this. Every player plays well for 2-3 months gets a new shiny contract. Same for managers as well, Mourinho last season and Ole now. It's like as soon as we find something good we hurry and splash contracts on them instead of waiting a little and seeing the whole picture.
Not that I didn't want Ole to get the job but these opinions are valid. The way we run the club is still random and not planned at all.
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It's comparable but you probably overrate our equivalent players.
Our transition to attack is the best when rashford starts up top and runs in behind, wolves play pretty deep and creative wise we are not good enough to create in front of a organized defense good at pressing and counter as well. This is the reason I singled out pogba as he is really clueless creating in front of a organised defense. He has even stopped lurking near oppositions box and we miss that energy and drive with him having little control without the ball as well.a
City and Liverpool windows were directly responsible for making them title contenders.
I don't understand Why couldn't the Club just wait, tell Ole He'll get the job but appoint him officially when the season ends.
By doing so, We'll have two advantages :
a. If the bad results start to come, it will create less pressure for Ole seeing how He's only 'a care taker' for this season. We don't need more pressure
b. If it's true that the squad are playing out of their skins because They like Ole and want him as the permanent manager, if it's true that's what motivated them then why not keep them hungry for it? We need every single point to finish top four and still in the Champions League
Still clueless by Woodward and the board. We need a DoF. I can't trust Woodward.
No I think Solskjar's appointment came just in the nick of time off the back of two straight defeats and no other clubs circling around Ole. Ed Woodward is certainly a shrewd negotiator and a great businessman.
Where is everyone getting this from? He's distinctly average. Offers next to nothing going forward other than a bit of pace & isn't exactly anything special defensively. He's done brilliantly to get to the level he's at after his injury but he should be at an Everton or a Watford. Nowhere near the level that should be playing for a club as big as United.
This is the exact type of post we'd be making fun of if it was posted on RAWK 5 years ago. There's 38 games in a season, not 15 so what's the point in coming up with form tables and ooh we'd be on course for 88/89 points? It means feck all.
Ole has done a brilliant job so far, he needs time and transfer windows to pick up the players HE wants and to implement HIS style. Nobody would be able to work miracles with players like Lingard, McTominay, Young, Jones, Rojo, Lukaku etc.
There's absolutely no reason why he won't be a success if he is given time but these mini league tables are ridiculous. Yes, United have more points than anyone since Ole came in but the season starts in August, not December. The season was a write off when he arrived so why are people kicking off now? Not like the team is in a worse position than when he took over is it? There's 18 points left to play for, get behind the team and enjoy an exciting end to the season!
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