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The squad is not the 5th best squad in England, more like the 4th or 3rd best. Mustafi is starting games for Arsenal ffs

Regardless, the squad is easily good enough to not lose 2 matches in a row against Wolves. Very poor by Ole. An upset can happen once in a while, but looks like he has been found out a bit.

Well, Europa league next year is a good chance for hiding behind a bad form in the league, like Mourinho did in his first season.
 
When you realise your Girl friend is cheating on you (you can get out of that and start a new life OR You can start getting depressed, Unable to focus and lose regular Job, Become an Alcoholic, Get frustrated and pick up fights, Start borrowing money from friends/Family and then deal suicidal thoughts)

I hope when Ed realised his top class targets like Cristiano, Thiago, Kroos, Bale, Ramos, Varane, Muller, Griezman were not really into him, He should have find good alternatives rather going himself in destructive mode and trying to pull other players whom he thinks in that bracket or signing mid table players

I still think he finally took a good first step handing job to Ole as I have this feeling he can bring back glory days. Hope ED can redeem himself with 1 or 2 good transfer windows

All we can do for now is wait for that "SPACE"
 
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Don Alfredo said:
The squad is not the 5th best squad in England, more like the 4th or 3rd best. Mustafi is starting games for Arsenal ffs

Regardless, the squad is easily good enough to not lose 2 matches in a row against Wolves. Very poor by Ole. An upset can happen once in a while, but looks like he has been found out a bit.

Well, Europa league next year is a good chance for hiding behind a bad form in the league, like Mourinho did in his first season.
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To put things in context, we had 3 starting attackers out (Martial, Rashford and Sanchez) and had to play Dalot at right wing and Lingard isn't very sharp post injuries. Fred has to be given some chances and it's difficult for any manager to ensure he doesn't feck up the way he did. Same goes for Young who sadly is our current RB for this season and messed up the second half completely.

So I'm not sure he's been 'found out'. It's a poor result but there was some misfortune too.
 
sp_107 said:
When you realise your Girl friend is cheating on you (you can get out of that and start a new life OR You can start getting depressed, Unable to focus and lose regular Job, Become an Alcoholic, Get frustrated and pick up fights, Start borrowing money from friends/Family and then deal suicidal thoughts)

I hope when Ed realised his top class targets like Cristiano, Thiago, Kroos, Bale, Ramos, Varane, Muller, Griezman were not really into him, He should have find good alternatives rather going himself in destructive mode and trying to pull other players whom he thinks in that bracket or signing mid table players

I still think he finally took a good first step handing job to Ole as I have this feeling he can bring back glory days. Hope ED can redeem himself with 1 or 2 good transfer windows

All we can do for now is wait for that "SPACE"
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Cracking analogy
 
Whatever happens, hiring Ole will always have been the right decision based on all the available info at the time.

Ignoring his record breaking start and instant impact on team and fan morale, it was clear we needed a change in hiring policy. Ie. Forget about big names and hire someone who knows, loves and understands the club and wants to play youth and attacking football.

Add to this that he has experience, is clearly a smart guy and is still young enough to have new ideas and passion for the role and it was a no brainer. The fact he is likeable certainly helps also.

There were no other candidates that fit this bill.

Add into the equation the strong team he has around him of Phelan, McKenna and Carrick and it’s a solid unit who have great potential to deliver the football and results we want.

A few dodgy performances or results shouldn’t change the fact that this was the right decision. Right now what we need is more quality in areas where we have sorely been lacking it eg. our right flank, central defence and defensive midfield.
 
Acole9 said:
I don't think he's actually done this, it's just people don't like the fact that it's someone internal who's likely to take the role. Which I see nothing wrong with.
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If someone internal is the best candidate for the job why would we be in this mess in the first place.
 
sugar_kane said:
Whatever happens, hiring Ole will always have been the right decision based on all the available info at the time.

Ignoring his record breaking start and instant impact on team and fan morale, it was clear we needed a change in hiring policy. Ie. Forget about big names and hire someone who knows, loves and understands the club and wants to play youth and attacking football.

Add to this that he has experience, is clearly a smart guy and is still young enough to have new ideas and passion for the role and it was a no brainer. The fact he is likeable certainly helps also.

There were no other candidates that fit this bill.

Add into the equation the strong team he has around him of Phelan, McKenna and Carrick and it’s a solid unit who have great potential to deliver the football and results we want.

A few dodgy performances or results shouldn’t change the fact that this was the right decision. Right now what we need is more quality in areas where we have sorely been lacking it eg. our right flank, central defence and defensive midfield.
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I think we have to accept this moving forward. He needs time and the backing to implement his ideas.

If we look at the defeats in isolation then it paints a slightly more positive picture. Arsenal, we certainly didn't play well enough and it came down to 2 moments rather than brilliant Arsenal football. Wolves away;always tricky. Point is those 2 teams with coaches in place who've had the entire season(2 in the case of Wolves) to implement their style and strategy on the team. Let's remind ourselves that Arsenal have no UCl,were knocked out of the FA Cup and the passage in the Europa is a bit of a joke. They have had the whole season to concentrate on the league. Ole has achieved a considerable amount to even get us within the UCL places.

We are led to believe that there could be around 6 players leaving OT in the summer. The rebuilding has already started
 
Judge Ole when he gets his own players in.

We need at least two centre backs...Lindelhof still developing, Bailly inconsistent but more bad than good, and Smalling and Jones inspire nothing but fear...in me, not the opposition.

Pogba drives me insane...we know he has the ability but it just comes across that his heart isn’t at United. Matic seems to be in a fog most of the time. Herrera was being touted as a future captain a short time ago...why has he gone off the boil? In centre mid on Saturday, Mata was the only one making things happen and our best midfielder by a mile...reward was being subbed and not getting a look in on Tuesday. Makes no sense when Pogba, Lingard And Matic were all pretty dire.
 
Livvie said:
Judge Ole when he gets his own players in.

We need at least two centre backs...Lindelhof still developing, Bailly inconsistent but more bad than good, and Smalling and Jones inspire nothing but fear...in me, not the opposition.

Pogba drives me insane...we know he has the ability but it just comes across that his heart isn’t at United. Matic seems to be in a fog most of the time. Herrera was being touted as a future captain a short time ago...why has he gone off the boil? In centre mid on Saturday, Mata was the only one making things happen and our best midfielder by a mile...reward was being subbed and not getting a look in on Tuesday. Makes no sense when Pogba, Lingard And Matic were all pretty dire.
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This.
 
Livvie said:
Judge Ole when he gets his own players in.

We need at least two centre backs...Lindelhof still developing, Bailly inconsistent but more bad than good, and Smalling and Jones inspire nothing but fear...in me, not the opposition.

Pogba drives me insane...we know he has the ability but it just comes across that his heart isn’t at United. Matic seems to be in a fog most of the time. Herrera was being touted as a future captain a short time ago...why has he gone off the boil? In centre mid on Saturday, Mata was the only one making things happen and our best midfielder by a mile...reward was being subbed and not getting a look in on Tuesday. Makes no sense when Pogba, Lingard And Matic were all pretty dire.
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The bolded part in particular. He seems like he's more interested in his brand than actually performing on the pitch. If Madrid come in for him with an offer anywhere near the £90m that Juve received for him it should be seriously considered!
 
sugar_kane said:
Whatever happens, hiring Ole will always have been the right decision based on all the available info at the time.
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Sounds like you’re saying no matter what happens, and even if his tenure turns out to be a complete disaster, fans who pushed for his appointment will have been correct in doing so, no matter what, rather than eventually acknowledging the fact they will have gotten it wrong, due to having been carried away by emotion, and over sentimentality.

This is just how football fans are, they will always find ways to rationalize mistaken assumptions and proclamations, and convince themselves that they still know what they are talking about. But let’s be honest, when it comes to football you, me, and a majority of pundits are utterly clueless, and largely just react (and move the goalposts) on a result, by result basis.

Ole was hired on the assumption that he was successful where Jose was not, and that he was actually the better manager able to show the world how good the players really were/are.

If it’s not true that this is actually a good team now (which is a major U-turn from what fans who wanted him hired were saying just a few weeks ago as the reason for hiring him) then why have united hired a manager without any pedigree, or top level experience, on the basis of a good run, without waiting to see if it was indeed just a managerial bounce, or even lucky?

United have basically gone back to square one, hiring a guy with no more top level experience than Moyes, and hoping for the best. In short a gamble. United now may end up with an unproven manager, attempting to recruit players to a team without the enticement of champions league football.

True evidence of a good manager is sucess over a number of years, and even that is no guarantee as united have learned.

Natural that fans get carried away but personally can’t understand the board not knowing better.

Could well be be the second coming！
 
bosnian_red said:
Holy feck I cant believe this conversation is actually happening. You want the facts? Inside Klopps first 10 league games for Liverpool, here were some of his results:
  • Liverpool 1-1 Southampton
  • Liverpool 1-2 Crystal Palace
  • Newcastle 2-0 Liverpool
  • Liverpool 2-2 West Brom
  • Watford 3-0 Liverpool
  • West Ham 2-0 Liverpool (the 13th game tbf)
Quality. Absolutely quality results right? Clear facts of Klopps style working and an instant impact. :wenger:
Basically stop talking out of your ass and being overly dramatic. It's like you've never watched football before so are overreacting when a team loses a couple of games despite going like 15 previous without losing.

Also what the feck, how is "more points under Ole" a myth? We are literally top of the league since he became our manager. What were your minimum expectations of him? Winning every single game? Heres a fun fact for you - our highest ever points total was 91 points. Ole's record since he took over has us on pace for 88/89 points. Those are the pure, raw facts. Whatever the feck you're arguing is just you looking like a 12 year old and not realizing that teams will occasionally play poorly, teams will lose games, no team will dominate every big team away from home, etc.
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If you can't judge the performances of a manager (Klopp) based on the first 13 games as you have pointed out above. Why on earth have UTD gone and appointed Solskjaer based on the results United achieved in his first 13 games?

Surely it works both ways? Can't sack a manager based on short-term results/ can't appoint a manager based on short-term results.

United needed a long-term plan, not another knee jerk reaction after a few half decent results - that you would expect a team of United's stature to achieve (barring PSG).
 
Wolf8312 said:
Sounds like you’re saying no matter what happens, and even if his tenure turns out to be a complete disaster, fans who pushed for his appointment will have been correct in doing so, no matter what, rather than eventually acknowledging the fact they will have gotten it wrong, due to having been carried away by emotion, and over sentimentality.

This is just how football fans are, they will always find ways to rationalize mistaken assumptions and proclamations, and convince themselves that they still know what they are talking about. But let’s be honest, when it comes to football you, me, and a majority of pundits are utterly clueless, and largely just react (and move the goalposts) on a result, by result basis.

Ole was hired on the assumption that he was successful where Jose was not, and that he was actually the better manager able to show the world how good the players really were/are.

If it’s not true that this is actually a good team now (which is a major U-turn from what fans who wanted him hired were saying just a few weeks ago as the reason for hiring him) then why have united hired a manager without any pedigree, or top level experience, on the basis of a good run, without waiting to see if it was indeed just a managerial bounce, or even lucky?

United have basically gone back to square one, hiring a guy with no more top level experience than Moyes, and hoping for the best. In short a gamble. United now may end up with an unproven manager, attempting to recruit players to a team without the enticement of champions league football.

True evidence of a good manager is sucess over a number of years, and even that is no guarantee as united have learned.

Natural that fans get carried away but personally can’t understand the board not knowing better.

Could well be be the second coming！
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Great post. Completely agree.
 
Wolf8312 said:
Sounds like you’re saying no matter what happens, and even if his tenure turns out to be a complete disaster, fans who pushed for his appointment will have been correct in doing so, no matter what, rather than eventually acknowledging the fact they will have gotten it wrong, due to having been carried away by emotion, and over sentimentality.

This is just how football fans are, they will always find ways to rationalize mistaken assumptions and proclamations, and convince themselves that they still know what they are talking about. But let’s be honest, when it comes to football you, me, and a majority of pundits are utterly clueless, and largely just react (and move the goalposts) on a result, by result basis.

Ole was hired on the assumption that he was successful where Jose was not, and that he was actually the better manager able to show the world how good the players really were/are.

If it’s not true that this is actually a good team now (which is a major U-turn from what fans who wanted him hired were saying just a few weeks ago as the reason for hiring him) then why have united hired a manager without any pedigree, or top level experience, on the basis of a good run, without waiting to see if it was indeed just a managerial bounce, or even lucky?

United have basically gone back to square one, hiring a guy with no more top level experience than Moyes, and hoping for the best. In short a gamble. United now may end up with an unproven manager, attempting to recruit players to a team without the enticement of champions league football.

True evidence of a good manager is sucess over a number of years, and even that is no guarantee as united have learned.

Natural that fans get carried away but personally can’t understand the board not knowing better.

Could well be be the second coming！
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Promote this man
 
united13 said:
If you can't judge the performances of a manager (Klopp) based on the first 13 games as you have pointed out above. Why on earth have UTD gone and appointed Solskjaer based on the results United achieved in his first 13 games?

Surely it works both ways? Can't sack a manager based on short-term results/ can't appoint a manager based on short-term results.

United needed a long-term plan, not another knee jerk reaction after a few half decent results - that you would expect a team of United's stature to achieve (barring PSG).
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It really isnt the same. You dont sack a big name manager after 13 games when half of the results were that bad as posted, you trust they'll get it right. If some no name was interim and had those results, they would never get the job. If any manager starts off as brilliantly as Ole, then it only makes sense to give him the job. You have to start planning for next season and theres no point doing that with a lot of uncertainty. Especially when there isnt a single manager out there without risk.
 
bosnian_red said:
It really isnt the same. You dont sack a big name manager after 13 games when half of the results were that bad as posted, you trust they'll get it right. If some no name was interim and had those results, they would never get the job. If any manager starts off as brilliantly as Ole, then it only makes sense to give him the job. You have to start planning for next season and theres no point doing that with a lot of uncertainty. Especially when there isnt a single manager out there without risk.
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It wasn't just the amazing run we had with Ole. He is Manchester through and through, a legend, the players love him, and he has turned a sour mood completely around. He's got coaching experience, lower level that it is, and has shown some good tactics/subs etc. during this run. It's a fairly decent package of reasons that got him this job. Now the club needs to support him with some proper quality.
 
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Paul Ince has gone off on one again.
Former Red Devils midfielder Ince has told Paddy Power: “They need to be picking up results, especially when they’ve still got the likes of Man City to play if they want to make those Champions League spots.

“Ultimately, Man United have to be in the Champions League. It’s simply not good enough if they’re not.

“Don’t get me wrong, Ole has done a fantastic job in getting them to this point, but they need to finish the job off.

“They cannot afford to be without European football next year. In fact, United should never not be in that competition.

“No disrespect, but they should be attracting the biggest players and the biggest players don’t want to play in the Europa League.

“The team should be doing everything they can do make top four, and the Wolves result seems particularly poor because of that.”

Ince added: “The honeymoon period with Ole is definitely over. He said when he got the job that now it was time to work.

“There’s always more pressure on you when you are given the job permanently, than when you’re a caretaker manager, and he knows that he will be getting analysed and picked apart every time they lose a game.

“The pressure will mount, of course it will. He’s got a lot of work to do and he knows that and not getting into the top four will cause more scrutiny on him - that result [against Wolves] has made that look like a tough ask. Every team has a dip in form, of course, but now could be the worst possible time to have one.

“United face Barcelona next, and then West Ham in the league and it’s crucial that they bounce back from this. That’s what the good Man United teams do, they bounce back.”
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Wolf8312 said:
Sounds like you’re saying no matter what happens, and even if his tenure turns out to be a complete disaster, fans who pushed for his appointment will have been correct in doing so, no matter what, rather than eventually acknowledging the fact they will have gotten it wrong, due to having been carried away by emotion, and over sentimentality.

This is just how football fans are, they will always find ways to rationalize mistaken assumptions and proclamations, and convince themselves that they still know what they are talking about. But let’s be honest, when it comes to football you, me, and a majority of pundits are utterly clueless, and largely just react (and move the goalposts) on a result, by result basis.

Ole was hired on the assumption that he was successful where Jose was not, and that he was actually the better manager able to show the world how good the players really were/are.

If it’s not true that this is actually a good team now (which is a major U-turn from what fans who wanted him hired were saying just a few weeks ago as the reason for hiring him) then why have united hired a manager without any pedigree, or top level experience, on the basis of a good run, without waiting to see if it was indeed just a managerial bounce, or even lucky?

United have basically gone back to square one, hiring a guy with no more top level experience than Moyes, and hoping for the best. In short a gamble. United now may end up with an unproven manager, attempting to recruit players to a team without the enticement of champions league football.

True evidence of a good manager is sucess over a number of years, and even that is no guarantee as united have learned.

Natural that fans get carried away but personally can’t understand the board not knowing better.

Could well be be the second coming！
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You say hiring Ole is a gamble, but then point out that hiring a proven "good manager" is no guarantee either. There clearly was no risk-free option.

I don't remember anyone asking for Ole to be hired full time when he was appointed caretaker, so the demand for him to get the job since then was more based on performaces/results rather than sentimentality. When something finally looks to be working reasonably well, it's not a surprise that most fans don't feel like shaking things up again so quickly after the years of rubbish we've watched. I don't see any problem with this way of thinking.

If it doesn't go well next season, Ole will likely be asked to step aside so we can take another punt on an established name again, so it's not as if we're stuck with him for the full duration of his contract no matter what. It's a 1 year gamble, which isn't much is the long run, especially if it could turn out very well.
 
shaky said:
You say hiring Ole is a gamble, but then point out that hiring a proven "good manager" is no guarantee either. There clearly was no risk-free option.

I don't remember anyone asking for Ole to be hired full time when he was appointed caretaker, so the demand for him to get the job since then was more based on performaces/results rather than sentimentality. When something finally looks to be working reasonably well, it's not a surprise that most fans don't feel like shaking things up again so quickly after the years of rubbish we've watched. I don't see any problem with this way of thinking.

If it doesn't go well next season, Ole will likely be asked to step aside so we can take another punt on an established name again, so it's not as if we're stuck with him for the full duration of his contract no matter what. It's a 1 year gamble, which isn't much is the long run, especially if it could turn out very well.
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Yeah of course there was no guarantee but it’s a game of probability, and percentages isn’t it?

You want the best possible candidate you can find, and for any other person, in almost any other job in the world, it would be the resume, and relevant experience of the candidate, that would give a given company the highest probability of selecting the correct man for the job.

And although much maligned, of the three managers united have had since Ferguson, the candidate with the best resume (Jose) had the most success, while the person with the worst (Moyes) the least.

The arguments you make above could all have been made about Moyes to be honest.

Let him have a try, and if it doesn’t work out just get rid of him. But in reality these are decisions that can set a team back years, from which it might not even recover.

And I don’t understand what you mean by a 1 year gamble. Ole has a three year contract doesn’t he?

To be honest mate, the tone of what you are saying, implies that even you are not taking his appointment as seriously as you would with a manager with established pedigree.

You call it a one year gamble?

Does that not sound a little reckless for a club of United’s stature, beset by a malaise that originated from just such a reckless gamble (Moyes) in the first place?

Anyway time will tell. I think to be honest if results go really badly from now to the end of the season he probably won’t recover.

The main danger for me, is that because of his lack of experience, if results do go really badly, the backlash by fans/players/media will be a self-fulfilling prophecy, for which no amount of ability (which he may or may not have) will save him.

Something tells me that these next few weeks are going to provide the answer as to whether, or not he is the right man for the job.
 
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Wolf8312 said:
Yeah of course there was no guarantee but it’s a game of probability, and percentages isn’t it?

You want the best possible candidate you can find, and for any other person, in almost any other job in the world, it would be the resume, and relevant experience of the candidate, that would give a given company the highest probability of selecting the correct man for the job.

And although much maligned, of the three managers united have had since Ferguson, the candidate with the best resume (Jose) had the most success, while the person with the worst (Moyes) the least.

The arguments you make above could all have been made about Moyes to be honest.

Let him have a try, and if it doesn’t work out just get rid of him. But in reality these are decisions that can set a team back years, from which it might not even recover.

And I don’t understand what you mean by a 1 year gamble. Ole has a three year contract doesn’t he?

To be honest mate, the tone of what you are saying, implies that even you are not taking his appointment as seriously as you would with a manager with established pedigree.

You call it a one year gamble?

Does that not sound a little reckless for a club of United’s stature, beset by a malaise that originated from just such a reckless gamble (Moyes) in the first place?

Anyway time will tell. I think to be honest if results go really badly from now to the end of the season he probably won’t recover.

The main danger for me, is that because of his lack of experience, if results do go really badly, the backlash by fans/players/media will be a self-fulfilling prophecy, for which no amount of ability (which he may or may not have) will save him.

Something tells me that these next few weeks are going to provide the answer as to whether, or not he is the right man for the job.
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The important difference between Ole and Moyes, and one of the two main reasons he has been given the job, is that he'd shown himself capable of being a Manchester Utd manager, in terms of actually understanding what the Utd job entails, in being aware of, and aligned with, the club's ethos and the players' and supporters' expectations. This is a crucial element that's been sorely missing in our last 3 managers.

After Ole produced the results to back it up, it was a no-brainer to give him a crack at the job full time as far as I'm concerned. This may be the only good chance we get to see what difference a manager who genuinely knows Utd can make. If it works, then the sky's the limit. If we finish 6th next year, we'll still have the usual piles of fancy resumes to pluck from the hat with our fingers crossed again.
 
shaky said:
The important difference between Ole and Moyes, and one of the two main reasons he has been given the job, is that he'd shown himself capable of being a Manchester Utd manager, in terms of actually understanding what the Utd job entails, in being aware of, and aligned with, the club's ethos and the players' and supporters' expectations. This is a crucial element that's been sorely missing in our last 3 managers.

After Ole produced the results to back it up, it was a no-brainer to give him a crack at the job full time as far as I'm concerned. This may be the only good chance we get to see what difference a manager who genuinely knows Utd can make. If it works, then the sky's the limit. If we finish 6th next year, we'll still have the usual piles of fancy resumes to pluck from the hat with our fingers crossed again.
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You make it sound like that's the gamble...

Like choosing a manager with a 'fancy resume' (or actual, tangible achievements as a coach) is the gamble, and employing an ex Molde manager who got Cardiff relegating is the sure thing - rather than the eyebrow raising, reckless gamble that it actually is.

Appointing OGS, at the time they made the appointment was literally, utterly needless - no-one else wanted him (a fact that seems, to me at least, as more worthy of discussion in it's own right...), it was on the back of 2 losses and still with a good run of games to go.

Why do this?

Why employ Moyes? Why give Rooney that contract? Why keep LvG beyond his shelf? Why sack him in that manner? Why extend Mourinho but then not back him? Why make all the ridiculous - don't fit signings we've made in Woodward's reign?

And then the OGS stuff... to me, it's just idiotic decision after idiotic decision.

To me, the notion that OGS is a manager with the skill to wrestle with Klopp and Guardiola seems like a delusion from what I've seen thus far.

Hopefully I'm wrong.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Ironic then when so many are calling him a Cnut that mist if the Caf would agree with that opinion and have posted as much!
Is there anything there that we’d violently disagree with?
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Of course there is. The idea that Ince and Bruce would have had the same effect as Ole is ridiculous. His new quotes heavily imply that if Ole doesn't get us into the top four then it would be a failure, despite the fact it's only down to him that we have a chance of getting top four. Just reeks of bitterness, like he's been waiting desperately for a drop in form so he can come out to try and save face.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
You make it sound like that's the gamble...

Like choosing a manager with a 'fancy resume' (or actual, tangible achievements as a coach) is the gamble, and employing an ex Molde manager who got Cardiff relegating is the sure thing - rather than the eyebrow raising, reckless gamble that it actually is.

Appointing OGS, at the time they made the appointment was literally, utterly needless - no-one else wanted him (a fact that seems, to me at least, as more worthy of discussion in it's own right...), it was on the back of 2 losses and still with a good run of games to go.

Why do this?

Why employ Moyes? Why give Rooney that contract? Why keep LvG beyond his shelf? Why sack him in that manner? Why extend Mourinho but then not back him? Why make all the ridiculous - don't fit signings we've made in Woodward's reign?

And then the OGS stuff... to me, it's just idiotic decision after idiotic decision.

To me, the notion that OGS is a manager with the skill to wrestle with Klopp and Guardiola seems like a delusion from what I've seen thus far.

Hopefully I'm wrong.
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I understand people have their own views and concerns about hiring Ole. if you're going to shit on our manager for not having a CV like jose/ Experience etc than fair enough at least that makes sense but wtf is that bold part about? Not sure why that seems worthy of discussion, if other teams didn't want him then he's not worth it? when was the last time a caretaker manager who did a good job got offers from other clubs to be their manager?

Could you elaborate?
 
Rhyme Animal said:
You make it sound like that's the gamble...

Like choosing a manager with a 'fancy resume' (or actual, tangible achievements as a coach) is the gamble, and employing an ex Molde manager who got Cardiff relegating is the sure thing - rather than the eyebrow raising, reckless gamble that it actually is.

Appointing OGS, at the time they made the appointment was literally, utterly needless - no-one else wanted him (a fact that seems, to me at least, as more worthy of discussion in it's own right...), it was on the back of 2 losses and still with a good run of games to go.

Why do this?

Why employ Moyes? Why give Rooney that contract? Why keep LvG beyond his shelf? Why sack him in that manner? Why extend Mourinho but then not back him? Why make all the ridiculous - don't fit signings we've made in Woodward's reign?

And then the OGS stuff... to me, it's just idiotic decision after idiotic decision.

To me, the notion that OGS is a manager with the skill to wrestle with Klopp and Guardiola seems like a delusion from what I've seen thus far.

Hopefully I'm wrong.
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We have literally just spent almost 5 years with 2 managers who were appointed based on their experience and fancy CVs and look where that got us.
The bigger gamble would be to ditch the one person who has looked vaguely capable of producing decent football since Fergie just because he "doesn't have the experience" and has lost a couple of games after a record breaking run with the shambles of a team he inherited.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Appointing OGS, at the time they made the appointment was literally, utterly needless - no-one else wanted him (a fact that seems, to me at least, as more worthy of discussion in it's own right...)
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It's not like there was a long queue when
Barca signed Pep
Madrid signed Zidane
Spurs/Southampton signed Poch
 
Rhyme Animal said:
You make it sound like that's the gamble...

Like choosing a manager with a 'fancy resume' (or actual, tangible achievements as a coach) is the gamble, and employing an ex Molde manager who got Cardiff relegating is the sure thing - rather than the eyebrow raising, reckless gamble that it actually is.

Appointing OGS, at the time they made the appointment was literally, utterly needless - no-one else wanted him (a fact that seems, to me at least, as more worthy of discussion in it's own right...), it was on the back of 2 losses and still with a good run of games to go.

Why do this?

Why employ Moyes? Why give Rooney that contract? Why keep LvG beyond his shelf? Why sack him in that manner? Why extend Mourinho but then not back him? Why make all the ridiculous - don't fit signings we've made in Woodward's reign?

And then the OGS stuff... to me, it's just idiotic decision after idiotic decision.

To me, the notion that OGS is a manager with the skill to wrestle with Klopp and Guardiola seems like a delusion from what I've seen thus far.

Hopefully I'm wrong.
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We are currently trying to tie down multiple contracts. Players and agents prefer certainty, and the majority of our players have been very positive towards Ole. We’d rode the honeymoon period, it’s understandable that the club would want to settle and start planning.
 
Wolf8312 said:
Sounds like you’re saying no matter what happens, and even if his tenure turns out to be a complete disaster, fans who pushed for his appointment will have been correct in doing so, no matter what, rather than eventually acknowledging the fact they will have gotten it wrong, due to having been carried away by emotion, and over sentimentality.

This is just how football fans are, they will always find ways to rationalize mistaken assumptions and proclamations, and convince themselves that they still know what they are talking about. But let’s be honest, when it comes to football you, me, and a majority of pundits are utterly clueless, and largely just react (and move the goalposts) on a result, by result basis.

Ole was hired on the assumption that he was successful where Jose was not, and that he was actually the better manager able to show the world how good the players really were/are.

If it’s not true that this is actually a good team now (which is a major U-turn from what fans who wanted him hired were saying just a few weeks ago as the reason for hiring him) then why have united hired a manager without any pedigree, or top level experience, on the basis of a good run, without waiting to see if it was indeed just a managerial bounce, or even lucky?

United have basically gone back to square one, hiring a guy with no more top level experience than Moyes, and hoping for the best. In short a gamble. United now may end up with an unproven manager, attempting to recruit players to a team without the enticement of champions league football.

True evidence of a good manager is sucess over a number of years, and even that is no guarantee as united have learned.

Natural that fans get carried away but personally can’t understand the board not knowing better.

Could well be be the second coming！
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Fantastic post.
I am desperate for him to succeed but if I was to put my money on it, I'd bet that Poch will be our manager in 2 years if he doesn't leave Spurs before that.
I hope I'm wrong and Ole succeeds.
 
Ballache said:
Fantastic post.
I am desperate for him to succeed but if I was to put my money on it, I'd bet that Poch will be our manager in 2 years if he doesn't leave Spurs before that.
I hope I'm wrong and Ole succeeds.
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We’re not getting Poch after leaving him at the altar more or less. He’ll have plenty of opportunities at other big clubs.
 
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