Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Just read Ole's post-match comments.

I wonder how long the positivity schtick will last for.

"We should have scored three or four." Yeah, but we didn't, because our forwards are overrated.

"We made silly mistakes at the back." Yeah, that's not new, because we have shit defenders.
 
.Rossi said:
"We played well"

Reminded me of Moyes that...
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Well, Fergie never savaged us in public but behind doors he gave them pelters.

Do we want Ole to go the Jose route and blast the players in the media? That worked well.
It may be delusional to say that but I don't think he believes that for a minute. He was right, we should have buried them in the first 15/20 minutes but we were architects of our own downfall. He hasn't defended Young...so I don't know what you want him to say!
 
Feed Me said:
Just read Ole's post-match comments.

I wonder how long the positivity schtick will last for.

"We should have scored three or four." Yeah, but we didn't, because our forwards are overrated.

"We made silly mistakes at the back." Yeah, that's not new, because we have shit defenders.
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So what do you think he should say ?
 
The board have fecked up again. What happened to them waiting until the end of the season?

If it was Steffen Iversen that had been appointed as temporary manager, gone on the fantastic run, but then the team reverted back to shit football, with terrible match day tactics and substitutions, not one fecking supporter would want he as permanent manager.

People are letting their hearts over power their heads because of the emotional attachments they have to a legendary player.

We desperately needed to get this appointment right after the last three clowns.

I can only see this ending in tears within the next 12 months and us back to square fecking one again.
 
why on earth he left Lingard on the pitch and he took off Lukaku and Fred?
Every manager comes to the club has his own favorite players and the play weather they are good or shit.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
How long we will talk about that great Ole's run? It was great run, he did excellent job lifting players spirit, brought good mood in whole club and had results. It was great short term job. Fantastic. As a caretaker he was 10/10.
But it is history now. Now it is time to talk about him as a Man Utd manager. Forget that run, forget how nice guy he is and the fact that he is our legend. Lets look how things stand now. 3 months after he took over.

1) Are we playing good football? No
2) Are we playing that "United way" attacking football? No. We play on counters against teams like Watford at OT.
3) Do we have results? Not anymore
4) Did he resolve our problem with deadwood? Yes, he gave them new contracts. He did that. He said that he was the one who adviced Ed to give Young and Jones new contracts. He plays Lingard 90 minutes every single game.
5) Do we see his signature in our general play? I don't see it. I see squad which have problems to dominate Watford, Leicester, Wolves, Saints.

Our form and attitude now is very low. If players play badly and have bad attitude, it is on coach. He is the one who picks them. He is the one who can drop those players or lift them up. He is payed to find solution.

Most managers have bright start in their clubs. It is common thing. Especially in big clubs when you have players who can decide games purely on their individual quality but after first few months you can see how good manager is.
This is not attack on Ole. He is what he is. This is attack on Ed. I don't see any logic why he gave him contract now. His first plan was to wait end of season and then decide. After we sacked Jose, i said that with next manager we must not feck up. Sooner or later our ride on SAF's legacy will stop and we will be in real danger to become Arsenal or Spurs. To drop from giant club to big club who fights for top 4 every season. Club who buys players AFTER giant clubs buy the best.
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So according to you we should release Young, Herrera, Mata, Sanchez, Matic, Lingard, Jones, Fellaini, Valencia, Rojo and Darmian ? We do not have enough money or good enough youngsters to replace 11 players. That means we have to keep some of them - and slowly replace them with someone better. Valencia, Rojo, Darmian and probably Sanchez will all go - Fellaini already gone. Stop whining about giving some players new contract. It may come as a shock to you - but we actually need a squad.
 
lysglimt said:
So what do you think he should say ?
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Dunno, just having a whinge tbh.

Our managers since Fergie have done the lot - inferiority complex, mad as a hatter, misery cnut and positive in the face of absolutely anything.

The one constant has been shit football and dire results.

Maybe they should just say nothing.
 
Garethw said:
The board have fecked up again. What happened to them waiting until the end of the season?

If it was Steffen Iversen that had been appointed as temporary manager, gone on the fantastic run, but then the team reverted back to shit football, with terrible match day tactics and substitutions, not one fecking supporter would want he as permanent manager.

People are letting their hearts over power their heads because of the emotional attachments they have to a legendary player.

We desperately needed to get this appointment right after the last three clowns.

I can only see this ending in tears within the next 12 months and us back to square fecking one again.
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This. x1000.

We won't recover for years now. We are a million miles behind the top clubs.
 
It has turned ugly really quickly. This place never disappoints.
Love how naive some are in thinking it's just a problem of a manager.
 
Any temporary or interim manager never has the pressure that a permanent manager has, & if it does go wrong they wont be there anyway. Seen it many times before, manager goes on great run as interim, then all goes wrong when appointed permanent. Solskjaer is no different in this regard, & took his chance going on a great run, & got the job. Now the reality has set in, & he is under constant pressure, as any manager of Man Utd would be. I will be honest & say I had doubts about him, despite his great run, but like others can see why he was given the job, though not sure why they never waited until the season ends. He does have the club at heart & knows the way we should play, so needs to be given time to show he is up to the task, even if he initially struggles, as we are going to keep going backwards if we keep changing manager due to a bad result or two. At least he has some positives in how he plays the game unlike his three predecessors.
 
Has anyone saying 'we should have waited until the end of the season' made a valid argument why it would have been better? Or who we would have appointed instead that would definitely do better with this squad?
 
Ban said:
It has turned ugly really quickly. This place never disappoints.
Love how naive some are in thinking it's just a problem of a manager.
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And those posters are in the very vocal minority. 95% of people are not blaming our new manager.

I'll never understand what people get out of trying to paint a few posters opinions as some overall slight on the Caf. there will always be a few silly opinions in any discussion.

I get that you're a "positive" poster but the majority of criticism here is about our squad and our shoddily run club, all of which is perfectly justified due to the last number of years. Give over.
 
Vault Dweller said:
Please tell me you’re not being serious? We had to go on an unbelievable run to even be in contention, we were miles away from top 4 and I think anyone who said at the time that top 4 was the minimum required by Ole was being far too unrealistic in their ambitions.
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He’s obviously going to be judged by the high standards he set himself and the team after winning the first 10/11 games, though. He’s a victim of his own success. That’s a good thing, expectation is now high (perhaps too high? Hard to begrudge United fans that after all the shit). His team or not, though, this was a game we had to win after he’d gotten us back into contention.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Well, Fergie never savaged us in public but behind doors he gave them pelters.

Do we want Ole to go the Jose route and blast the players in the media? That worked well.
It may be delusional to say that but I don't think he believes that for a minute. He was right, we should have buried them in the first 15/20 minutes but we were architects of our own downfall. He hasn't defended Young...so I don't know what you want him to say!
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Fergie did savage us...Many times

I'm just stating it reminded me of Moyes that quote. No more, no less
 
Massive Spanner said:
And those posters are in the very vocal minority. 95% of people are not blaming our new manager.

I'll never understand what people get out of trying to paint a few posters opinions as some overall slight on the Caf. there will always be a few silly opinions in any discussion.

I get that you're a "positive" poster but the majority of criticism here is about our squad and our shoddily run club, all of which is perfectly justified due to the last number of years. Give over.
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Your post was ok until give over part. Even if it's just 95 percent I can guarantee it will be a lot less in the next weeks. Not to mention next season.
 
Don't forget that close to the end of the month we have to play Everton, City and Chelsea all within 7 days. We could potentially be 10 points away from top 4 by the end of the month and everything was looking so good for us. The only hope we have left is for Spurs and Arsenal to feck up because we certainly are going to be in for quite a few more stinkers the way we are playing at the minute.
 
Ban said:
Your post was ok until give over part. Even if it's just 95 percent I can guarantee it will be a lot less in the next weeks. Not to mention next season.
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That means you think next season will go poorly though, which is a strange thought process given Ole will have the whole summer and likely bring players in. Why wouldn't it go well?

And of course it will be more if results are poor, that's sort of how football works. Like.. if a manager does well and gets results, he gets praise, if a manager doesn't do well and doesn't get results, he gets criticism. Ole isn't some exemption to that rule. He had a great start here but that doesn't excuse him from being questioned should results continue to be poor. The main problem is quite likely with our squad, no argument from me there, but that doesn't simply excuse the manager either.
 
Grande said:
Or that he might not be sentimental enough because of his ruthlessness.
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dogwithabone said:
Sentimentality to who ? There's no former team mates in the squad. He gives me the impression of being very ruthless and single minded. Surely having played under SAF one thing he will have learnt is that sentimentality does not enter the thinking and upsetting individuals from time to time is all part of making Manchester United great.

I've never got my head around people thinking he can't be ruthless. He wants this job way beyond the initial three years - lets face it where's he ever going to go from here other than backwards ? - and I guess he will do everything to protect that chance and if that means p*ssing off someone he's signed for a shed load of money then he will do what's required to safeguard his position.
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What I had in mind in my post was, can he tell Woody that he definitely needs better defenders than Smalling and Jones? Get rid of players like Young and Lingard for better ones? Get rid of Matic ASAP. Whether we like it or not that's the kind of change we need to challenge for honours. I honestly feel he's going to keep almost everyone, buy a few more and we spend all next season moaning
 
fellaini's barber said:
What I had in mind in my post was, can he tell Woody that he definitely needs better defenders than Smalling and Jones? Get rid of players like Young and Lingard for better ones? Get rid of Matic ASAP. Whether we like it or not that's the kind of change we need to challenge for honours. I honestly feel he's going to keep almost everyone, buy a few more and we spend all next season moaning
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Wonder if this has any kind of resemblance to Mike Phelan at Hull. Flying first month, even got manager of the month. Quickly went down hill after that!

Have they run out of ideas as what to do in-game?! I can't put my finger on it, we haven't really played well for a while now.
 
Massive Spanner said:
That means you think next season will go poorly though, which is a strange thought process given Ole will have the whole summer and likely bring players in. Why wouldn't it go well?
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Depends what you mean by well. I get the feeling we'll see a lot more complaining and "should have gone for Poch" posts next season. A good cup run and a comfortable top 4 finish would actually be a good season but I don't think many are prepared to accept that. It's going to take more than one season to fix this squad, especially if we have some unwanted departures.
 
Time for Ole to man up and make the ruthless decisions. I hope he's peddling the "we've got great players" bs just for some positivity but if he genuinely thinks this is a great squad, he's setting himself up for failure.

Also I get that he loves the academy boys especially Lingard and Rashford but they need to be dropped or hooked off when they're having a bad game but Ole seems to let them play no matter what and this is not good for the team because Lingard is bang average and Rashford is not yet ready to be the main man of this team.

I hope he has realized this and is working on bringing in significant improvements this summer.

It's sink or swim time for Ole and if he allows sentiments (constantly starting Ashley Young, Lingard, Matic etc.) to get in the way of being ruthless, he's time here won't be a success.
 
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Massive Spanner said:
That means you think next season will go poorly though, which is a strange thought process given Ole will have the whole summer and likely bring players in. Why wouldn't it go well?

And of course it will be more if results are poor, that's sort of how football works. Like.. if a manager does well and gets results, he gets praise, if a manager doesn't do well and doesn't get results, he gets criticism. Ole isn't some exemption to that rule. He had a great start here but that doesn't excuse him from being questioned should results continue to be poor. The main problem is quite likely with our squad, no argument from me there, but that doesn't simply excuse the manager either.
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You misunderstood me. I meant people will panic every time we have a bad game. Of course if we will have lots of bad games with Ed doing his part that's will be on Ole. Although Ed doing his part is debatable to say the least.
 
Vault Dweller said:
Please tell me you’re not being serious? We had to go on an unbelievable run to even be in contention, we were miles away from top 4 and I think anyone who said at the time that top 4 was the minimum required by Ole was being far too unrealistic in their ambitions.
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You have allowed Mourinho to lower your standards.

If we kept on playing with title challenging form like we should as that was our minimum standard, we will confortably be in top 4.
 
3 defeats in 4 games implies that regardless of opinions on squad quality, Ole has his work cut out to take us out of this slump. And he is expected to do that as the manager.

However, even this would be a minor blip if we hadn't thrown away 3-4 games playing Herrera and McTominay at CB earlier on in the season. Though no use crying over spilt milk.
 
Giggsyking said:
why on earth he left Lingard on the pitch and he took off Lukaku and Fred?
Every manager comes to the club has his own favorite players and the play weather they are good or shit.
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I agree and also playing Young and playing him as a third centre back. What is Ole thinking.
 
Christie said:
You have allowed Mourinho to lower your standards.

If we kept on playing with title challenging form like we should as that was our minimum standard, we will confortably be in top 4.
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You have allowed a short run of good results to fool you into thinking that this team could maintain title winning form.
 
@Ban

Football is a squad game were its strengths lie upon its weakest chain. The reason is very simple really. A half decent manager whose setting a team against lets say the treble side won't be asking his players to go toe to toe against Stam for the simple reason that he'll probably win all those duels. What he would probably ask them to do is to exploit Philip Neville's rashness and lack of positioning. That's why Phil costed England a major tournament and nearly costed United the treble. Thus, while its impossible to have a WC XI, that aim should be the main target of every manager at a top club. He should be on the constant lookout on how to improve his side, he should remove those who aren't improving and he should bring in upgrades. You might not notice but honours are usually won by those who have the best players and not by the ones who have the most amount of players who can do the job.

Which leads us to our present side. DDG has been our best player year in year out. Meanwhile Pogba has scored 14 goals and had 14 assists in 39 games. They are the only two players we've got who can possibly walk in any squad. So I find it very uncomfortable to criticise them considering that

a- We're not supporting them with top talent. Many mention Schmeichel and Scholes but fail to also mention players like Keane, Carrick, Stam,Giggs, Ronaldo Johnsen and Irwin who allowed those top top players to focus on what they do best and shine. I rate Scholes alot, same as I rate Zidane. However I can't see either of them perform without a top DM at their side. Neither Pogba nor DDG can rely on these sort of players

b- we can't expect every United employee to also be a United supporter. Some see United as a job and I assure you having to work on unrealistic targets year in year out , with idiots as colleagues, suck big time especially if there's some free loader who is being paid far more then you do. Ultimately it effects even the most consistent of top performances. Honestly if I was in their position (ie I don't support United and Im as talented) I would have left years ago.

c- We've changed our manager twice this year. That's a big hit to any club especially if the previous manager was as toxic as Mourinho was

I'll support United even if we had 11 Fellaini's in the team. However don't ask me to blame two of our best players for the crap we're in.
 
Ban said:
You misunderstood me. I meant people will panic every time we have a bad game. Of course if we will have lots of bad games with Ed doing his part that's will be on Ole. Although Ed doing his part is debatable to say the least.
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I didn't misunderstand you, you didn't say that in your original post. I can't misunderstand something you're not saying.
 
Leftback99 said:
Has anyone saying 'we should have waited until the end of the season' made a valid argument why it would have been better? Or who we would have appointed instead that would definitely do better with this squad?
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The 'valid argument' would just be, we should have given it to Poch! even though there is no guarantee's with him either.
 
devilish said:
@Ban

Football is a squad game were its strengths lie upon its weakest chain. The reason is very simple really. A half decent manager whose setting a team against lets say the treble side won't be asking his players to go toe to toe against Stam for the simple reason that he'll probably win all those duels. What he would probably ask them to do is to exploit Philip Neville's rashness and lack of positioning. That's why Phil costed England a major tournament and nearly costed United the treble. Thus, while its impossible to have a WC XI, that aim should be the main target of every manager at a top club. He should be on the constant lookout on how to improve his side, he should remove those who aren't improving and he should bring in upgrades. You might not notice but honours are usually won by those who have the best players and not by the ones who have the most amount of players who can do the job.

Which leads us to our present side. DDG has been our best player year in year out. Meanwhile Pogba has scored 14 goals and had 14 assists in 39 games. They are the only two players we've got who can possibly walk in any squad. So I find it very uncomfortable to criticise them considering that

a- We're not supporting them with top talent. Many mention Schmeichel and Scholes but fail to also mention players like Keane, Carrick, Stam,Giggs, Ronaldo Johnsen and Irwin who allowed those top top players to focus on what they do best and shine. I rate Scholes alot, same as I rate Zidane. However I can't see either of them perform without a top DM at their side. Neither Pogba nor DDG can rely on these sort of players

b- we can't expect every United employee to also be a United supporter. Some see United as a job and I assure you having to work on unrealistic targets year in year out , with idiots as colleagues, suck big time especially if there's some free loader who is being paid far more then you do. Ultimately it effects even the most consistent of top performances. Honestly if I was in their position (ie I don't support United and Im as talented) I would have left years ago.

c- We've changed our manager twice this year. That's a big hit to any club especially if the previous manager was as toxic as Mourinho was

I'll support United even if we had 11 Fellaini's in the team. However don't ask me to blame two of our best players for the crap we're in.
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Nobody is blaming them for the crap we are in. Some of us just want them to give their 100 percent and not have any excuse out there for their shit attitude. Back in the day you never saw our WC players strolling lazily around. You have trouble criticize them? Every player should be criticized if it's warranted. I don't expect Pogba to be our fan nor do so think he even cares for the club but for ffs don't play you don't care one bit.
 
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