In one off games, player mistakes and red cards no mate that's nothing to do with Ole. If its repeated yeah you can say he should have learn't and benched x.......I think he will and thus stop anyone from being able to levy that accusation.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In one off games, player mistakes and red cards no mate that's nothing to do with Ole. If its repeated yeah you can say he should have learn't and benched x.......I think he will and thus stop anyone from being able to levy that accusation.
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I assume they meant Jose last season? This doesn't compare though
To be fair, the players aren't doing him many favours lately, but his selections and tactics are a bit iffy so far. Early days.
He said we should have scored 3 or 4 and he's right. Don't twist his words.
But he gets credit for all the wins. That's some Jose reasoning.
Have always said the players will have to show how good they can be without him, and the blame will go to them unless ole is tactically found wanting.
Manager has changed nothing since he was winning. players performances have dropped.
When Ole came in as caretaker manager, it was a huge relief. He immediately lifted the gloom.I expected Our pre-season started after Mourinho left.
No one expected the enjoyable football we started playing.
He started with a strike against him when he was given the job for good.His CV does not stack up against all the names that had been mentioned.
The Liverpool match showed how far we had fallen behind in fitness.
Even after today's many individual errors, the worst match was the FA Cup loss to Wolves.
The many sagas about contract renewals is Woodward's making after the Sanchez contract.
Ole has obviously identified players he wants and after a solid pre-season I fully expect us to perform to the level expected for next season.
We can only judge after the end of next season if Ole is capable of the leading the club long term.
I still believe in him based on what I have seen so far.
I'm enjoying our football again after 5 years.
No one expected the enjoyable football we started playing.
He started with a strike against him when he was given the job for good.His CV does not stack up against all the names that had been mentioned.
The Liverpool match showed how far we had fallen behind in fitness.
Even after today's many individual errors, the worst match was the FA Cup loss to Wolves.
The many sagas about contract renewals is Woodward's making after the Sanchez contract.
Ole has obviously identified players he wants and after a solid pre-season I fully expect us to perform to the level expected for next season.
We can only judge after the end of next season if Ole is capable of the leading the club long term.
I still believe in him based on what I have seen so far.
I'm enjoying our football again after 5 years.
Ask yourself this, has ANY players improved since Ole has arrived? Nope.
I don't think it's a huge issue as Mourinho won so much with ready made players.
Martial seems like he will never go a step up, like Nani. Pogba seems in decline for last handful of games, it seems like Mourinho and Ole have lost ideas in changing his ways too.
This is not to mention how shit our defence is.
Before Herrera's injury, he was our best player. Now he seems like he is leaving.
I don't think it's a huge issue as Mourinho won so much with ready made players.
Martial seems like he will never go a step up, like Nani. Pogba seems in decline for last handful of games, it seems like Mourinho and Ole have lost ideas in changing his ways too.
This is not to mention how shit our defence is.
Before Herrera's injury, he was our best player. Now he seems like he is leaving.
Klopps footprint was evident from day 1 while we are still struggling after 3 months .
Sure , let's wait and see. But somehow I feel we made yet another mistake . Wish I was as confident as you.
Yes, when you think about it, it's a little baffling that we would commit to Ole after so few games. Made much more sense to wait until the end of the season, if only to see how he coped with Barca in the Champions League. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Or to put it another way, don't make a substitution when you're facing a corner.
In saying that, I don't think Ole did a lot wrong tonight and we were the better team. As others have said, we should've been 2 or 3 up in the first 20 minutes. Fred was good until the De Gea pass. He was moving it quickly and setting up a lot of our forward movement. After the pass he went to shit for the rest of the half, as did the rest of the team. We started off the second half pretty well and then he was yanked. Not sure why.
The team is knackered and injuries are biting. With a full pre-season and a few new players I think we'll start to see Ole's proper footballing philosophy.
But even in this game it was encouraging. As AJ10 said, it was good to see that he learned from the first Wolves game.
Wolves really offered very little. Sadly it was us that handed it to them.
As for De Gea.....
That loss was nothing on Ole but all about our players and how average they are. Ole had set up the team brilliantly and we were on top until Wolves first goal which was a stupid error. We have too many passengers in the team and when Pogba, Lukaku are not playing their best it clearly shows.
There is a reason why we are fighting for 4th and that wont change next season until we are ready to invest £200m+
There is a reason why we are fighting for 4th and that wont change next season until we are ready to invest £200m+
My worry is beyond the "Utd way" there isn't much else of a plan.
Again, have to give him time and see what happens in the summer, but it'll be a bloodbath on here if he's not backed fully.
Again, have to give him time and see what happens in the summer, but it'll be a bloodbath on here if he's not backed fully.
We've been fairly poor of late which was inevitable given how Ole had us playing for a long stretch. He just needs to reinvigorate things a bit and have us finish strong.
Don't want to hear anymore United way, it was Sir Alex's brilliance that propelled the clubs stature.
Ole is not Sir Alex, ole is ole and he needs to imbed a philosophy behind his time here not what the greatest manager to grace the game has done.
Ole is not Sir Alex, ole is ole and he needs to imbed a philosophy behind his time here not what the greatest manager to grace the game has done.
I think teams have learnt which areas of the pitch to allow us to have possession in. And more importantly, who to cut off. If Pogba is taken out, then we are totally disabled.
Also worth remembering that injuries have disrupted form, and that our fixtures when OGS came in were very kind.
Pressure was created by united fans to hire him in the first place. The board was prepared to wait until end of the season.
Thought there was some needless rotation tonight I thought.
Herrera's injury and matic's injury too was crucial reason why we have stopped pressing.
I would have to agree that my confidence in the club is at rock bottom since SAF retired too. I've gone from thinking, there's no way a club from our position of strength can fall surely, its only a matter of time etc... But these recent years have knocked me for 6.
I only started following Utd as a kid from about 2002 onwards so the comparison I can make is to the transitional 2005/06 season where we were playing Silvestre, Smith & Richardson etc culminating in the embarrassing loss to Benfica. The changing of the old guard in Keane & RVN to Carrick & Ronaldo. Vidic & Evra too.
We've been in that same position for years now. SAF was ruthless, where he quickly replaced the underperforming & ageing stars and would not settle for 2nd best, we hand them fat contracts and are too quick to rest on our laurels once we get a bit of success.
I will be behind Ole but this nicey, nicey persona I hope is only for the cameras. I really hope he's looking to replace most of the team as they're not going to get any better. I hope he's backed strongly this summer.
We will see i guess.
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There will be some money set aside for him, but its the same incompetent player recruitment team, headed up by Ed Woodward, who have been fecking everything up for years and years under successive managers.
It's extremely unlikely that they are going to be able to make up the deficit in quality vs City/Liverpool, in a single window. People need to have reasonable expectations about what is going to be possible next season.
Did he have a worse squad? He had players like Firmino, Coutinho, Sturridge, Henderson, Milner, Can. You're over rating what we've got to work with.
Klopps footprint was definitely not evident day 1. That's revisionism at its finest because you can point to future seasons and the outcome. Theres a clear plan to how we're trying to play as well. We obviously focus on fast breaks, giving freedom to players to join the attack, a lot like we used to. Just because we dont win every game doesnt mean our plan is different. Our style doesn't radically change every game, though of course we adapt to opponents. We also clearly dont have all the players we need for the style we want to play, nor are the players used to the intensity. Just need some patience. Or just bring the slightest bit reasonable and seeing that since Ole took over, we have picked up more points than anyone else (despite the obvious issues).
We've simply been the architects of our own downfalls in the last two away games. Missed chances, slips, mistake leading to goal, sending off.. and so on. We didn't reward our performances with the points we should've got.
Probably like we took some other lucky points in 1/2 games of our winning run when perhaps it shouldn't have been. That's it.
The tactics with 3 man backline were faultless and working to absolute perfection. Completely dominant for 25/30 mins. Manager didn't make lukaku, lingard miss sitters that should've sent us 2/3 goals clear. It's very simple- don't take your chance, you get punished. Plus the mistake and send off we handed it on a plate. I don't remember anything they did.
Probably like we took some other lucky points in 1/2 games of our winning run when perhaps it shouldn't have been. That's it.
The tactics with 3 man backline were faultless and working to absolute perfection. Completely dominant for 25/30 mins. Manager didn't make lukaku, lingard miss sitters that should've sent us 2/3 goals clear. It's very simple- don't take your chance, you get punished. Plus the mistake and send off we handed it on a plate. I don't remember anything they did.
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I agree and I can understand that.
However, that doesn't explain our passing game. We used to pass really quickly to the point where we would give up the ball a lot. However, it was effective in getting our attackers in better positions to cause damage. We're much slower now. The team is just overall less dynamic than the start of Ole's time. Do we know which is Ole's preferred style? It's not so simple an answer precisely because our first game was a clear change in style compared to Mourinho. And at that time Ole wasn't really on the job. McKenna and Carrick were essentially in charge. We've morphed into this counter attacking team that builds up play slowly while in possession.
If they can do it in a single window why can't we.
fecking hell, already out of top 4. They played 8 games before Klopp took over. He had 30 league games. And his competition was Leicester winning the title, Mourinho flopping at Chelsea, Van Gaal flopping at United, Pellegrini flopping at City, Spurs being their usual bottling selves, etc.
Ole took over after 17 games. Basically half a season, with top 4 actually gone (realistically).
Get a grip of yourself ffs, so dramatic
They are a much better run club, with an experienced manager and the allure of Champions League football.
We're likely about to slump to our fourth finish outside the top 4 in the last six seasons and have arguably the worst player recruitment team of any big club in Europe. The chances of us bridging the gap in quality are slim. Ole has a hell of a job on his hands.
The board couldn't afford to wait because we need to start preparing for next season. Players who didn't sort the contract out yet and potentiall signings can't sign until they know who the manager is. Top 4 was seen as a free hit and I don't think we're learning anything new against Barcelona so after the other boxes were ticked the announcement was made.
It lies on Paul pogba, who is hiding when the chips are down. Ashley young tries to be as direct and quick as he can but keep giving the ball away instead.
We may as well prepare to play in Europa league now with a manager who may fail to take us in top 4. A DOF / sporting director should prepare for next season in a changed structure but we are still stuck in same old rut and will hire him when we have when he can make no impact.
So it boils down to structure in the end.
Interesting to see how many fans are turning against Ole already.
Personally, it is obvious that he is not a better manager than most of the candidates that were being circulated. However, the result he has had so far has at least given him a season to further assess his capabilities. Even though Pochettino is my first choice, he is untested in spending big in the transfer window(so is Ole, but not the point that I am after). After this season, he will definitely have to spend a lot, so it will be interesting to see how his team perform when he starts spending like his rivals. So, the sensible option for now is to stick with Ole for one more season.
Personally, it is obvious that he is not a better manager than most of the candidates that were being circulated. However, the result he has had so far has at least given him a season to further assess his capabilities. Even though Pochettino is my first choice, he is untested in spending big in the transfer window(so is Ole, but not the point that I am after). After this season, he will definitely have to spend a lot, so it will be interesting to see how his team perform when he starts spending like his rivals. So, the sensible option for now is to stick with Ole for one more season.
Tactics beginning of the game - spot on. We had deadly hunger and absolutely nullified them. Fred brainfarted - we got rattled and fell into a shell.
Half time - tactics readjusted and came out spot on again.
Young sent off - made an absolutely fantastic tactical change and we took control of the game again. Smalling did smalling things.
He has thoroughly impressed me tactically over and over again. Please give this man some fantastic players. He will keep them happy more than Van gaal/mourinho ever would have.
Half time - tactics readjusted and came out spot on again.
Young sent off - made an absolutely fantastic tactical change and we took control of the game again. Smalling did smalling things.
He has thoroughly impressed me tactically over and over again. Please give this man some fantastic players. He will keep them happy more than Van gaal/mourinho ever would have.
I'll start judging Ole on who he brings in in the summer and who he lets go. He has a massive job on his hands and I seriously doubt he is the man for the job but hopefully he will prove me wrong.
We're competing with Inter Milan on this.
Two major clubs with two of the most dumbass player recruitment moves in recent times.
Ole has such a ridiculous job on his hands.
After the honeymoon period, it’s become clear that the rebuilding job needed to turn United back into serious contenders is huge.
Does anyone genuinely believe that Solskjær is capable of doing that?
Does anyone genuinely believe that Solskjær is capable of doing that?
I'm not sure anybody is capable of doing that, but in my view Ole has earned his shot next season.
They got Škriniar for £10m. Name one time Ed made a superb deal like that.
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