Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

Status
Not open for further replies.
Should have waited until summer to confirm him. This is now becoming a disaster. We played against almost all of the top 10 sides under Ole. How many of think we are doing a good job?

City - yet to play.
Liverpool - draw
Arsenal - loss
Spurs - smash and grab
Chelsea - win
Wolves - loss
Watford - smash and grab
Leicester - smash and grab
Everton - yet to play

Now compare with what Klopp had when he took over midyear and how he performed first year. You will get the difference.
 
Stating the obvious here but Ole has a huge job on his shoulders.Not only is he in arguably the most competitive league in the world he's also managing,as he'll obviously know,a club with enormous ambition.
Legend or not,to go from managing Molde to then go on to manage the most popular sports club in the world is quite a giant leap.
 
ForestRGoinUp said:
BUt what if we get completely outclassed for 90 (or 180) minutes and then just happen to put away a bobble by a keeper and get a 94th minute penalty? It's fine to credit him for that?
Click to expand...
I never said give him credit for only the good. I'm talking about this game specifically.
 
I think we will see Pogba and De Gea leave this summer. That´s not something I would like to see but I think that will happen. But I think Pogba will join Zidane and De Gea does not seem to be his normal self and there has been no contract extension despite talk of that for a long time now.

Ole has done really well with this squad but tonight was the first time I was unhappy about his decisions. Playing with A.Young as a 3 centreback? What was that? He´s really awful as fullback and his shitshow today sure did not help. He could not move forward with the 2 other centerbacks in the first goal but sat behind waving his hand like a wanker while playing the Wolves player onside. Then he dives into a tackle on a yellow card instead of staying on his feet. This guy, Ashley fecking Young was the Man Utd captain. Think about it, we had Rio,Vidic,Keane,Robson,Neville as captains for shorter and longer periods and today Young is supposed to be our leader on the park?

I think we need to clear out in the summer and start a prober rebuild and I trust Ole to do that. When looking at this squad I think Rashford,Martial,Shaw,Lindelof are certain to be part of a new starting 11. Hopefully De Gea will stay and Pogba but I think they will go. McTominey,Smalling,Dalot,Tuanzebe,Fred,Lingard and Herrera(has he signed with PSG on a free?) should be squad members.
But for me Sanchez,Young,Lukaku,Matic,Mata,Pereira,Darmian,Valcencia(going),Jones,Bailly,Rojo should all leave as I belive they have no future here.

But then the question is what to do? We are 5 to 7 players short and there is no way of getting around that fact. It´s just plain for all to see that want to see the extent of our problems. So some will say that´s not possible to bring in 5 to 7 players in one transfer window and this is not Football manager but what´s the alternitive? Stick our heads in the sand and hope for the best like we have been doing for the past 6 seasons?

I belive in giving youth a chance and I belive we have some very promising youngsters like Greenwood,Garner,Gomes,Laird,O´Connor and Chong for example and we need to give them a chance.
I think we will get a shock when Pogba and De Gea make it clear they want to leave. Pobga drives me mad when he´s not putting in an effort but he has all the talent a midfielder needs.

I think we should go for Bissako for Rb, Koulibaly for Cb, Veratti(if possible),Ndombele,Rabiot,Sancho. Those 3 midfielders are there because I think Pogba will go, otherwise we would need 2.
 
Acquire Me said:
Not good enough. Failed to do a proper clearout and did not acquire the right players.

So you think we should sack Ole now?
Click to expand...
No not at all. Just think we should have got a proven manager contractually in place for the summer and if ole somehow delivered way above expectations, come the end of the season then we could have always cancelled the contract with the other manager (and paid for it with a top 4 finish).

Why we gave him the job now can only be down to penny pinching because there is no footballing reason to make that decision now.
 
Tonight’s not on him, it’s on the players. If they do their fecking jobs properly we score 3 goals or so and win comfortably. Some absolute brain farts by our players cost us this game.
 
All 3 United said:
No not at all. Just think we should have got a proven manager contractually in place for the summer and if ole somehow delivered way above expectations, come the end of the season then we could have always cancelled the contract with the other manager (and paid for it with a top 4 finish).

Why we gave him the job now can only be down to penny pinching because there is no footballing reason to make that decision now.
Click to expand...

:lol:

Jesus wept.
 
DavelinaJolie said:
I don't understand why the likes of Pogba regressed so suddenly. Do they not have confidence in OGS? Are they overconfident and think they can walk these games? Players having their heads turned? Are they wanting more money?

I have to agree with what someone else said, I'm not sure I see a consistent philosophy in what Ole is doing. It feels a bit fragmented, and consequently it is quite frustrating to watch. The first 20 or so minutes of the game tonight, we were bossing that and could have scored a few. What happened after that? I'd be interested to read a breakdown of the game from someone who knows more than I, in order to understand why it changed so dramatically.
Click to expand...
They're knackered. Simple.

They all bust a gut when he got the job and know they're flagging. Hence why we've had so many injuries.

Let's hope we find a second wind. At least we've got a week until the barca game to recover. After that, we should try a couple of kids in the next few games to get some impetus back.
 
It would be stupid to turn on him now. Give him a transfer window to sort out the squad and judge him based on how he does next season.

So far he has been a clear improvement on Mourinho (while using the same group of players). Performances have been mixed, but that is to be expected at this stage.
 
Ban said:
Jesus give him a transfer window at least before you all start to slate him....
Click to expand...
He is not good enough for us. I comment what i see on the pitch. Simple as that. I see defensive counter attacking football. I see that we are outplayed by teams like Wolves, Leicester or Watford. I see that we can't keep the ball. I see that he gave new contracts to player who are not good enough to be in Man Utd. I see a manager who basically had lots of luck in his first 2 months.

I will be delighted if i am wrong. God, please that i am wrong in this.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
He is not good enough for us. I comment what i see on the pitch. Simple as that. I see defensive counter attacking football. I see that we are outplayed by teams like Wolves, Leicester or Watford. I see that we can't keep the ball. I see that he gave new contracts to player who are not good enough to be in Man Utd. I see a manager who basically had lots of luck in his first 2 months.

I will be delighted if i am wrong. God, please that i am wrong in this.
Click to expand...
You're too reactionary. He has taken this team as far as he can. But it's thin and it lacks quality. A lot. He didnt have just luck, that's too simplistic view. And even if he was lucky in last few games he was unlucky. He needs a proper transfer window and a full season to be judged.
 
Listen to some of you, Ole getting shafted because the run of form has come to an end. Seriously get a grip.

There's a constant link made between Ole and SAF, and whilst SAF was undoubtedly a great manager, people seem to forget that he too went through periods of poor form. We didn't smash teams 8-0 for 26 years straight for Christ sake.

Tempted to start a GoFundMe to raise money for knee braces for some of you, by god you need them.
 
All 3 United said:
Why we gave him the job now can only be down to penny pinching because there is no footballing reason to make that decision now.
Click to expand...

That's a bit simplistic. Ole, if anything, has united the fans and the players under one flag, which was something Jose had lost. Of course it's a huge gamble but, as someone else said on here, the fans will not turn on Ole if things go sour on the pitch. Time will tell.
 
DavelinaJolie said:
I don't understand why the likes of Pogba regressed so suddenly. Do they not have confidence in OGS? Are they overconfident and think they can walk these games? Players having their heads turned? Are they wanting more money?
Click to expand...
They weren't that much better than what we are seeing now, we were just getting a bit more luck going our way, teams were missing chances against us, we were taking every chance we got. Pogba scored some penalties and a couple against Huddersfield and people went over the top about how good he was.
 
Inevitably, at the first sign of trouble some people start whining. A couple of defeats and they automatically want the manager out. Try to be a little more reflected and strong than that, guys.
 
At least reading all the shit posts is entertaining after a bad defeat.
I thought Ole would have longer than this before we called for his head, but apparently not.
 
Dec9003 said:
At least reading all the shit posts is entertaining after a bad defeat.
I thought Ole would have longer than this before we called for his head, but apparently not.
Click to expand...
Yeah I mean at least wait till this season is over.. But some are starting soon. :D
 
Ban said:
You're too reactionary. He has taken this team as far as he can. But it's thin and it lacks quality. A lot. He didnt have just luck, that's too simplistic view. And even if he was lucky in last few games he was unlucky. He needs a proper transfer window and a full season to be judged.
Click to expand...

Yeah, "Ole had luck" is not even simplistic view, it's just nonsense. He has gone very good job since taking over, we are in bad patch now and this is with him taking over mid season.
 
I always wanted Zidane, not that I thought he could make this shower of shite much better just that he would have more pull getting top names in come the summer.

Ole earned it though so I will support him fully, hope Ed does.

We are still batting for top 4 this time next year after getting his targets I will not offer him anymore respite than the previous managers though, he must have targets that must be met.
 
Ventura said:
Inevitably, at the first sign of trouble some people start whining. A couple of defeats and they automatically want the manager out. Try to be a little more reflected and strong than that, guys.
Click to expand...
Who wants him out? It would be crazy thing to do. It is just opinion of some of us that our decision to sign him now was wrong. We should waited and decide in may.
 
bond19821982 said:
Should have waited until summer to confirm him. This is now becoming a disaster. We played against almost all of the top 10 sides under Ole. How many of think we are doing a good job?

City - yet to play.
Liverpool - draw
Arsenal - loss
Spurs - smash and grab
Chelsea - win
Wolves - loss
Watford - smash and grab
Leicester - smash and grab
Everton - yet to play

Now compare with what Klopp had when he took over midyear and how he performed first year. You will get the difference.
Click to expand...
Who would you have brought in in the summer instead who would certainly be better? Klopp finished 8th in his first season.
 
We should have been 3-0 up today, the squad is dross but OLE will find it difficult to attract players without CL, also we will most probably lose both pogba and degea! The league is looking two decades away!
 
I don't care about the top 4 or UCL trophy but...


When Ole has taken over United, I didn't expect us to be in the top 4, many of you probably didn't expect the same thing as me, you hoped that we would play nice football and clear toxic around the changing room. Ole has wiped out the toxic atmosphere of United for months under Jose, we won many games, played nice football majority of the time and enjoyed a lot, get us in top 4 race and we can't remember last time we were happy, it was a really long time.

I didn't ask for it much, I think we should stop taking anything for a grant, as his record since he has taken over is enough good for us with that squad. Finishing outside 4 is not the end of the world but we can see improvement over a few months when Ole has taken over, it's a positive sign and I'm very looking forward to the end of the season where we can build ourselves with more quality players from transfer window, preseason and maybe new tactical and hope we'll have a strong start next season.

I think we should stop set high expectations for him this season and be completely disappointed when he couldn't deliver results and blame him for it. You can set your expectations for him next season but not this season as that was supposed to be written off this season when we sacked Jose and that squad is not still enough good.
 
We played well today though and created a lot of chances. Ole must have learned from our first defeat against Wolves in which we didn't play well. Our corners are a bit of a joke and I hope he adress that. The short ones we use seem to always feck up and never create anything at all.

Lots of key players in poor form though. How good his skills are to lift them up I am not sure about. The first part of them playing much better could just be momentum and not having Mourinho around anymore.
 
bond19821982 said:
Should have waited until summer to confirm him. This is now becoming a disaster. We played against almost all of the top 10 sides under Ole. How many of think we are doing a good job?

City - yet to play.
Liverpool - draw
Arsenal - loss
Spurs - smash and grab
Chelsea - win
Wolves - loss
Watford - smash and grab
Leicester - smash and grab
Everton - yet to play

Now compare with what Klopp had when he took over midyear and how he performed first year. You will get the difference.
Click to expand...
Being equally biased in the opposite direction...

City - yet to play.
Liverpool - draw
Arsenal - smash and grab loss
Spurs - win
Chelsea - win
Wolves - loss due to individual mistakes
Watford - win
Leicester - win
Everton - yet to play
 
bond19821982 said:
Should have waited until summer to confirm him. This is now becoming a disaster. We played against almost all of the top 10 sides under Ole. How many of think we are doing a good job?

City - yet to play.
Liverpool - draw
Arsenal - loss
Spurs - smash and grab
Chelsea - win
Wolves - loss
Watford - smash and grab
Leicester - smash and grab
Everton - yet to play

Now compare with what Klopp had when he took over midyear and how he performed first year. You will get the difference.
Click to expand...
How he performed? I mean Klopp?
It's not a disaster, come of it please.
Watford wasnt a smash and grab. Leicester neither. Arsenal was a loss in a game in which we were a better side. Spurs was a smash and grab if you count 20, 25 minutes.
 
And people were criticising Pochettino on sunday. He set up the team superbly in the second half, but you can't blame Poch for Sissoko messing up the chance and Hugo lloris messing up at the end, just as you can't blame Ole for Fred doing a gerrard and the chuckle brothers doing their thing.

The things you can criticise Ole though, are for not taking off Lingard and Young and being proactive, when it was clear that they were not at the races today. And also introducing Martial at the 72nd minute, when he should have come on at half time, is on him.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
He is not good enough for us. I comment what i see on the pitch. Simple as that. I see defensive counter attacking football. I see that we are outplayed by teams like Wolves, Leicester or Watford. I see that we can't keep the ball. I see that he gave new contracts to player who are not good enough to be in Man Utd. I see a manager who basically had lots of luck in his first 2 months.

I will be delighted if i am wrong. God, please that i am wrong in this.
Click to expand...

In his defence, he's not been able to change much and is working off the Mourinho template with Mourinho players. This is actually my fear as well, that we've bought into the 'United way' of counter attacking that we've been left behind by our rivals who have moved on from the days of end to end unstructured football.

Wolves play good football and they do it through hard work, across the team they have players who can keep the ball under pressure but most importantly they run and run and run. Losing to them with 10 men isn't the end of the world but the way we build attacks and manage games is dreadful at the minute, if the long through ball isn't on we don't have much else in the locker but passing it around our back 4.

As a side note, hats off to McT - he had a decent game
 
Has Ole changed his tactics and is somehow no longer allowing the attacking players to flourish? I would say not. His impact was clear, instructing direct, attacking football. Asking players to take risks in return for goals. The effort doesn’t seem to be there within the players anymore. Teams play badly, but a bad game has turned in to several and it’s becoming concerning.
 
United will always attract decent players because we're loaded. We just haven't got it right recently.
Will we get it right in this window ? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Listen,

We need to calm down, whether you wanted Ole or not is moot now. He's got the job and he'll be here for a good while yet. Lets try not to throw the toy out of the pram with each and every defeat and use a bit of common sense, this is a rebuilding job and there will be the a few bum results.

Anyway, If Ole didn't get the job. Exactly the same people who are now flipping their lids because of this result would get the pitchforks out as soon as any non-Ole candidate lost a game, get on there high horses and lecture us on why Ole was the right man all along.
 
It’s going to all end in tears in my opinion,to much for him to do at Utd,I think there is to much dead wood in there which I don’t think he will clear hence already a lot of deadwood been given contacts.

he’s been a revelation in the fact he’s sparked the team up,but to me they are falling back to where they was 3 months ago,good luck to ole I hope he succeeds but he has got his work really cut out for me.
 
deafepl said:
I don't care about the top 4 or UCL trophy but...


When Ole has taken over United, I didn't expect us to be in the top 4, many of you probably didn't expect the same thing as me, you hoped that we would play nice football and clear toxic around the changing room. Ole has wiped out the toxic atmosphere of United for months under Jose, we won many games, played nice football majority of the time and enjoyed a lot, get us in top 4 race and we can't remember last time we were happy, it was a really long time.

I didn't ask for it much, I think we should stop taking anything for a grant, as his record since he has taken over is enough good for us with that squad. Finishing outside 4 is not the end of the world but we can see improvement over a few months when Ole has taken over, it's a positive sign and I'm very looking forward to the end of the season where we can build ourselves with more quality players from transfer window, preseason and maybe new tactical and hope we'll have a strong start next season.

I think we should stop set high expectations for him this season and be completely disappointed when he couldn't deliver results and blame him for it. You can set your expectations for him next season but not this season as that was supposed to be written off this season when we sacked Jose and that squad is not still enough good.
Click to expand...
He would've been setting expectations for himself as soon as Top 4 was in reach. He's pissed about this defeat, as he should be and so are the fans. Forget where we were when he started. He got the benefit of all the credit that came with winning to start his tenure, and now he should be judged on the mini-season from the international break to the finish line. 4 teams all within a point fighting for 2 spots. Will he find a way to get it done?

And then yes of course we recalibrate this summer after a hopeful clearout and a handful of new faces. But all eyes should be on how he deals with the pressure of closing out this season. Too much credit given to the results when he had no pressure.
 
bond19821982 said:
Should have waited until summer to confirm him. This is now becoming a disaster. We played against almost all of the top 10 sides under Ole. How many of think we are doing a good job?

City - yet to play.
Liverpool - draw
Arsenal - loss
Spurs - smash and grab
Chelsea - win
Wolves - loss
Watford - smash and grab
Leicester - smash and grab
Everton - yet to play

Now compare with what Klopp had when he took over midyear and how he performed first year. You will get the difference.
Click to expand...
Of course we are doing a good job still. Ffs.
I'll fix yours though.

City - yet to play. (home)
Liverpool - draw (were the better team despite having injuries everywhere. Home.)
Arsenal - loss (despite probably being the better team, and after a win in the FA cup. United under Fergie never beat them away in successive games, so not a huge surprise we won one and lost one. Both away).
Spurs - smash and grab (Outplayed them in the first half, got the lead, held on to win a very tough game. Away.)
Chelsea - win (Comfortable and completely outplayed them. Away. Home game to come.)
Wolves - loss (loss in the FA cup and now today. Both away).
Watford - smash and grab (Poor performance but created the better chances anyway and it's not like Watford ever really looked like scoring anyway til the late consolation. Home).
Leicester - smash and grab (Erm, no. We outplayed them most of the game, got the lead, they had a late couple of chances where they could've equalized but that was it. Away).
Everton - yet to play (Away).

Add on getting through against PSG despite all the injuries to make the CL quarter finals.

It's actually a little crazy how many big away games we've had. 8 of these away, 4 at home. Dumb to expect us not to have some variance in our performances after a run like that. Hard to maintain that run we had with so many tough games. The FA cup and CL draws have made it a really hard run for us.
 
Funny, we had a manager who parked the bus and then threw our players under it. In the end they threw him under the bus, sore tarts, being thrown under a parked bus isn’t that bad.

Now they can’t stop throwing managers under it - luckily the former driver took the keys with him, and Ed couldn’t hotwire a Chevy to save his life, much less that of one of his expendables.
 
Lots of professional managers we have on here, too bad Woody didn't come on Caf first before picking Ole. :(
 
Nothing changed regarding Ole. He's playing with the hand he's been dealt and doing his very best to maintain a tune out of them. Defeats are part and parcel of football and in both our league defeats we've been right in the games for long periods.
 
Leftback99 said:
They weren't that much better than what we are seeing now, we were just getting a bit more luck going our way, teams were missing chances against us, we were taking every chance we got. Pogba scored some penalties and a couple against Huddersfield and people went over the top about how good he was.
Click to expand...

Yep thats why hes wanted by Real Madrid.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.