It's hard to give too much blame when in the form league, since Ole has taken over, we are top of the league. No team is going to win every game. Teams will always have swings in their performances, they'll have bad results here and there, you just have to look at the bigger picture. The league table you shows that, but unfortunately for us, it's marred by Mourinho having 26 points from 17 games (while Ole has picked up 35 in 15 games, or over a season that's 89 points). So the defence of Ole is pretty simple. Don't expect anyone to win every single game because that's never going to happen. Not with Fergie. Not with Pep. Certainly not with Ole taking over half way through a disaster of a season with an unbalanced squad. And that's pretty much it. Getting top 4 would've been a miracle from when he took over, and we all would've instantly taken it if this exact situation was offered back in December.
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100% agree with everything you wrote.
I think too many fans are wearing the rose tinted specs when looking at the state of our squad. Whether we win or lose a game my opinion is this is the weakest Utd squad I've seen since the day Fergie took over. The fact is I didn't expect us to win tonight, against a team playing their 1st season back in the prem, that's how far the club has fallen in my eyes.
There are too many problem positions that need fixing and 2 players we do have who I would consider good enough to be key players in a title winning side are flirting with moves to Madrid.
In my opinion this season (with both Mourinho and OGS in charge) is the lowest point since Fergie left. I felt in past couple of seasons that with 2 or 3 good signings we might have a shot at the title but I seriously think we now need to make a massive overhaul to the playing squad which, if it goes well, could take 3 seasons to see us challenging. If the signings dont go well then we are looking at an Arsenal scenario.
The important thing is we get the right manager in and give him time, financial backing and support from the fans. Hopefully OGS is that man because for every managerial appointment we get wrong its another couple of seasons we get set back.
You talk a lot of sense. This sums it up well.
I for one love Ole and what he has done, but the above is what we should have done. It's not like Ole would have run off to another club had we waited til the end of the season is it? What was stopping us waiting and seeing where we finished? And to make it worse the appointed ole after two terrible defeats.
Oh well, like many have said on here, let's just get behind him and support him. At least we know he has the club's best interests at heart. He looked just as disappointed as us fans in his post march interview tonight.
Maybe with a good summer window we can get top four next year and look competitive again.
It is pathetic. Wolves are a good side, and they always up their game against the top 6 sides. That is not even mentioning the fact that we played better than them, and the game should have been buried in the first half itself. The players really made some pathetic mistakes in the game. Hope this helps Ole to weed out the crap players from the squad, from those he can rely on.
Its as if some are insane where they are seeing the same thing and ignoring it. Under Ole we are essentially the same as Mourinho 17/18. Started like a house on fire, with lethal counter attacks, now constantly on the defensive and grinding out results. Apparently the explanation is that the manager is inept, when two different managers are getting roughly the same performances.
Very poor decision to give him the job now. He might be the man but that could and should have been decided in the summer.
With Herrera leaving, Matic legs gone and the realisation that Pogba can only shine in a winning team the midfield rebuild is going to be a massive task
For me it's absolutely crucial that we get this right.
When did that happened before exactly?
It's an easy way to look at it I guess.
Considering Rabiot is free, and Rakitic wouldn't cost much, I think we could buy 4 midfielders for under 120M and come out better than we are now. Fix our midfield, get Sancho and a competent RB like Meunier and we will make a lot of progress as a team.
Thankfully he's defending them post match.
None of that happened today is his fault. He didn't make Fred mis-control the ball, Young lose his mind or let Lukaku and Lingard miss gilt edged chances that should have put the game away inside 15 minutes.
I am not sure how you can say we deserved to lose tonight considering we should have been up by 3 in the first 20 mins but for 3 donkey's to F it up. A draw would have been fair vs Watford since they played well but hardly created any chances.
Tbf Zidane had a World class squad + Ronaldo and pep had.....well you know. The biggest problem for us has not been hiring a manager (rookie or WC), that award clearly goes to the moron who is in charge of buying/selling players. I don't think any top club has as many average players as we do and its not just the ones we've brought in but also the ones we have had since fergie retied and now they're given new contracts (
). De Ge/Rashford/Martial/Pogba/Ander/Shaw/Victor are the only ones who should be automatic starters in our squad and the rest are just average and they wouldn't get into most mid table teams.As for Ole, I was looking forward to the way we would approach this game after that rubbish in the Fa cup game and i was hoping we would thrash them (nearly happened but for those 3 donkeys). I thought we played well and should have been in cruise control but it all went to shit, its as if our players forgot how to pass/control the ball/ cross. One positive about him in this game is he's able to learn and actually implement that rather than go with the same approach as in that Fa cup game. Hopefully we have a great summer of throwing trash out of this club and buying some good players with at least half a brain as its clear some of our players really lack in that department.
The bigger the sample size, the more underwhelming the outlook appears.
When he came in Rashford, Pogba, Lingard and Martial started delivering their best stuff for us. They were devastating and teams couldn't handle it.
Now, only one of them is in anything resembling that form.
Maybe teams have realised that if you cut out our forward players we cave, or something else. But Ole needs to find a way of getting these players more space and time.
The element of surprise his honeymoon period had is clearly over, this is where he proves his credentials.
Now, only one of them is in anything resembling that form.
Maybe teams have realised that if you cut out our forward players we cave, or something else. But Ole needs to find a way of getting these players more space and time.
The element of surprise his honeymoon period had is clearly over, this is where he proves his credentials.
Definitely a few there who should not be nailed on starters and won't be by the time we challenge for the league. Actually it's possible none from that list are starters in our next league challenging squad.I am not sure how you can say we deserved to lose tonight considering we should have been up by 3 in the first 20 mins but for 3 donkey's to F it up. A draw would have been fair vs Watford since they played well but hardly created any chances.
Tbf Zidane had a World class squad + Ronaldo and pep had.....well you know. The biggest problem for us has not been hiring a manager (rookie or WC), that award clearly goes to the moron who is in charge of buying/selling players. I don't think any top club has as many average players as we do and its not just the ones we've brought in but also the ones we have had since fergie retied and now they're given new contracts (
As for Ole, I was looking forward to the way we would approach this game after that rubbish in the Fa cup game and i was hoping we would thrash them (nearly happened but for those 3 donkeys). I thought we played well and should have been in cruise control but it all went to shit, its as if our players forgot how to pass/control the ball/ cross. One positive about him in this game is he's able to learn and actually implement that rather than go with the same approach as in that Fa cup game. Hopefully we have a great summer of throwing trash out of this club and buying some good players with at least half a brain as its clear some of our players really lack in that department.
I thought the Jones for Fred sub was baffling. We had started the second half decent enough, and I thought Fred did ok except for their first goal. Sure, one man down but his attitude in that situation should not be damage limitation as we were doing alright. That sub messed up the whole team.
Also, Lingard was atrocious. How he lasted 90 mins I'll never know.
It's only 2 games since Ole took over but the trend is not good. He's way to defensive now, when it was the attack that was giving him results in the beginning. I get it away to top teams (I don't like it) but not against Wolves, when we had been the better team, even if we were down to 10 men.
Also, Lingard was atrocious. How he lasted 90 mins I'll never know.
It's only 2 games since Ole took over but the trend is not good. He's way to defensive now, when it was the attack that was giving him results in the beginning. I get it away to top teams (I don't like it) but not against Wolves, when we had been the better team, even if we were down to 10 men.
Have to remember that we used to play differently. Our pressing won us the ball back in dangerous areas which made it easier for those attackers to do their damage. We also played faster in regards to passing which made it easier to create chances.
I'm struggling to understand why the sudden change in play? Is right now how Ole wants us to play? Who knows. I understand why we don't press as much, but that doesn't explain the slower build up in attack.
This
If Steve Bruce had got the same results as OSG, no way would he have been giving to the job as manager, because we know the ceiling of Steve Bruce's talent as a manager, mid-table premiership at best.
We dismiss OSG's record at Cardiff as bad luck or style his of football was too advanced for Cardiff. Because OSG didn't get another opportunity in the ELP or Championship to prove himself, some of our fans
have decided on 10 or so good results that he's going to be a good manager.
Real Madrid president is nototiously famous for making poor decisions in the past as well, it just clicked on with zidane and ronaldo was a big reason why it did.
Players have nowhere to hide now, the fans/media won’t hound out Ole like the last lot of managers.
If this doesn’t go well the fans will turn on the players.
If this doesn’t go well the fans will turn on the players.
There was nothing wrong with our set up, approach or outfield play for the most part it just got unpicked by stupid individual mistakes beyond Ole's control. Calling him out for the performance is just plain wrong as with better finishing...we put that game to bed within 25 mins. He didn't buy the strikers in or anyone in for that matter so lets not blame him for everything just yet.
I'd feel more comfortable if I felt there was an identity he was bringing beyond just folklore.
Spurs away was a disaster except for first 20 mins. Leicester away was comfortable but wasnt really convincing.
Forget the results , what are we trying to do in the field ? Do we have any kind of plan atleast ? Seriously, I am struggling to find one.
I am not sure how you can say we deserved to lose tonight considering we should have been up by 3 in the first 20 mins but for 3 donkey's to F it up. A draw would have been fair vs Watford since they played well but hardly created any chances.
Tbf Zidane had a World class squad + Ronaldo and pep had.....well you know. The biggest problem for us has not been hiring a manager (rookie or WC), that award clearly goes to the moron who is in charge of buying/selling players. I don't think any top club has as many average players as we do and its not just the ones we've brought in but also the ones we have had since fergie retied and now they're given new contracts (
As for Ole, I was looking forward to the way we would approach this game after that rubbish in the Fa cup game and i was hoping we would thrash them (nearly happened but for those 3 donkeys). I thought we played well and should have been in cruise control but it all went to shit, its as if our players forgot how to pass/control the ball/ cross. One positive about him in this game is he's able to learn and actually implement that rather than go with the same approach as in that Fa cup game. Hopefully we have a great summer of throwing trash out of this club and buying some good players with at least half a brain as its clear some of our players really lack in that department.
This is what we have all been saying for six years now and nothing happens because the structure of the club prevents this from ever happening. We havn't got the right people in charge in that department. This is fecking football not rocket science. Six years is more than enough to build a solid and competetive squad and yet look at us. And now people are thinking that just because Ole is here all of a sudden this summer is going to be any different.
That summer where Ed and Moyes were chasing around Bale and Fabregas for an entire window and then ending up with Fellaini in the final seconds of deadline day £10m more expensive than what his clause had been earlier in the summer showed how clueless Ed is. Get these feckers Glazers and Woodward out of this club please.
The reasons for our over performance were clearly something to do with a number of temporary factors - luck, post Jose euphoria, lack of rotation. There was always going to be an end of honeymoon dip and here we are. It no more means he's the second Moyes than last month made him the new Pep.
Let's judge Ole in a year's time. And let's get a really good DoF. And above all let's not fall every single time into the trap of snap judgments based on a few weeks of results. It just makes us look stupid.
Let's judge Ole in a year's time. And let's get a really good DoF. And above all let's not fall every single time into the trap of snap judgments based on a few weeks of results. It just makes us look stupid.
We can argue whole day on it but it wasnt a convincing performance at Watford, Leicester and spurs.
Arsenal away was good - I will give that
Sorry but managers take credit for individual bits of genius and good luck, must take it for bad luck & mistakes too.
Ole is not to blame for these defeats. These players are not consistent enough and lacks intelligence.
And he had a worse squad, already out of top 4 but still tried to play his style of football. Whats our style
Our style is dependent on the players wishes how much hard work and running they wish to do game to game.
Come on now - its about how a manager want to play.
Ole’s sounding deluded in the post match interviews, labelling this a great performance. Until the first Wolves goal that was the case, but it was the same mediocre shit for the rest of the game.
This. Mood on here’s like a weather vane because people are so quick to get worked up.
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I'm not blaming Ole for the season though. I was talking about some fans saying he's blameless for this game, when they would be praising him if we won it. I thought he got some things wrong, but that will happen. Doesn't mean I want him sacked, it's best to judge this time next season.
Massive, massive summer for Ole and United though. Get it wrong and it sets us back big time, worrying really.
Apart from first 20? We controlled the whole first half. Yes Spurs pushed in the 2nd, they went gung ho because they were losing a big game at home. They never got the goal, so the flow of the game didn't change in the 2nd. Not hard to explain. Leicester away was relatively comfortable as you say. They're literally one of the toughest teams for big sides to play (especially away), what do you expect?
What are we trying to do on the pitch? Not sure what answer you're looking for. It's obvious. We are built on fast and direct attacking play and using width. It doesn't take 3 months for that to happen. Klopp took over at Liverpool in early October. They finished 8th that year. Stop being so dramatic. It takes time, and our results and most of our performances since Ole has taken over have been very good.
I thought we set up well and liked the Dalot selection given the Wolves low block.
But there's a serious lack of quality in so many positions. Let's see if the club back him and if Ole can get the right guys in. If not I fear we'll continue in our mediocrity.
But there's a serious lack of quality in so many positions. Let's see if the club back him and if Ole can get the right guys in. If not I fear we'll continue in our mediocrity.
Not sure what to fault him on tonight. Liked our initial set up, that disintegration after the goal, the collective dissipation of confidence, is that on him? Shuffled well after the red card only for us to throw one into our own net.
He has a challenge on his hands now alright though.
He has a challenge on his hands now alright though.
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