We clearly need a top quality RW. Now as reserves we already have lingard, Rashford and if Ole is serious about youngsters then Chong as well. We don't need some has been who had never been good for us in the first place.
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We clearly need a top quality RW. Now as reserves we already have lingard, Rashford and if Ole is serious about youngsters then Chong as well. We don't need some has been who had never been good for us in the first place.
Mata covers more distance than any other player in the team
Lukaku and Martial the laziest.
Rashford by far the better player sprinting and Martial and Lukaku make half the runs.
Better the devil you know should be clubs new motto.
I like Mata though, good passer and gives his all. I'd keep him for the transition. He does often come through with a goal, pass or free kick when we need it.
I like Mata though, good passer and gives his all. I'd keep him for the transition. He does often come through with a goal, pass or free kick when we need it.
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Mata isn’t actually one of our problems. He’s still a damned good footballer, we’ve just never used him to his strengths. No10 or the tip of a diamond and he’s useful.
Ultimately Mata is the only dedicated number 10 at the club and I suspect Ole knows that he can only do so much in his first summer. If Lukaku and Herrera go there’s an awful lot of work to do without replacing Mata too.
It's the accumulation of last 6 years mistakes so I don't put all this on Ole
Fellaini/Mata/ADM/Falcao/Sweinstiger/Sneiderlin/Deepay/Martial/Sanchez/Lukaku/Fred/Matic/Baily/Darmian/Rojo/
God so many mistakes in last 6 years from scouts, Managers and board
Now linked to Injury prone Bale and Lyons Dembele
don't we learn from our mistakes ?
Werner/Jovic/ (1)
Brandt/Hirving/Sancho/Richarlison(2)
Kai Hervetez/ Bruno/Felix(1)
Teilesman/Nicola Barrera/Aouar(1)
Neves/Ndombele/Rodri(1)
DeLegit/Toby/Manalos/AWS/Meunière(3)
6-8 players from the above list in next 2 transfer windows can vastly improve us by clearing deadwood same time.
Ole comes across a very intelligent man so he must have realised we can't go forward with this team.I have high hopes on him compared to previous 3 managers as he can see things from UTD way and build a good team.
Fellaini/Mata/ADM/Falcao/Sweinstiger/Sneiderlin/Deepay/Martial/Sanchez/Lukaku/Fred/Matic/Baily/Darmian/Rojo/
God so many mistakes in last 6 years from scouts, Managers and board
Now linked to Injury prone Bale and Lyons Dembele
don't we learn from our mistakes ?Werner/Jovic/ (1)
Brandt/Hirving/Sancho/Richarlison(2)
Kai Hervetez/ Bruno/Felix(1)
Teilesman/Nicola Barrera/Aouar(1)
Neves/Ndombele/Rodri(1)
DeLegit/Toby/Manalos/AWS/Meunière(3)
6-8 players from the above list in next 2 transfer windows can vastly improve us by clearing deadwood same time.
Ole comes across a very intelligent man so he must have realised we can't go forward with this team.I have high hopes on him compared to previous 3 managers as he can see things from UTD way and build a good team.
Hang on, you've gleaned from a single post where I advocate keeping mata as a squad player, that I'm a dream fan for the glazers. Try to breathe, evaluate information and at least engage with some sort of consideration for what you're saying. Not that you deserve an explanation but I abhor how the club is being run and think we need a huge cull of players and an influx of fresh blood and youth players. I'd advocate one of the biggest squad upheavals we've ever seen, but okay.i think mata can still offer a bit as a squad player and is a senior player with the attitude we'd like, I'm basically a champion of the glazers
See my post above. I don't believe keeping mata for another year is indicative of any decline or lower standard. If we keep him and about 7 that should be shown the door before him? Of course, that's a problem.
Of all the managers since Fergie, the one I'm actually interested in, in terms of who he signs and which direction he moves the team in, is Ole. Partly it's the wildcard factor, because those other managers were not known for playing good football. Van Gaal an attacking manager my foot, especially by the time he moved to United. Holland's last two serious matches of 2014 WC before he joined were both 0-0 borefests, including with Costa Rica.
He was a good player. He's not any more
What about keeping young and Jones?
Mata is the least of our worries . We need a squad and he can be a good rotation option in the cups and Europa league . Very unlikely to be first team player but good experienced pro for rotation . There are definately 4 or 5 players I would rather see leave ahead of him that contribute feck all , Rojo , Bailly ,Darmian , Valencia , Pereira .
We may also see Pogba , Herrera , De Gea , Sanchez and Lukaku leave .
We may also see Pogba , Herrera , De Gea , Sanchez and Lukaku leave .
Mata may not be as influential on the pitch as he once was but he remains an effective squad player nonetheless, especially when deployed in his favoured position behind the strikers.
He has a good attitude both on and off the pitch which makes him a good representative for the club. He is not one of the 'problem' players that Ole is referring to.
Of all the things to get yer panties in a twist, offering Mata a one year extension is hardly fecking one of them. The cnut barely plays! A decent and fairly useful squad option. There are about 9 players who should be offloaded before him.
I do understand that Jose was an incredibly divisive person and I also fully understand why there is a high level of animosity against him.
However, despite all that I still believe that it was a missed opportunity to really get back to challenging for the PL.
We should have been able to push on from that 2nd place finish but alas we have fallen further behind.
I get that people didn't appreciate his tactics but IMO he had to employ those tactics because of our squad capability.
Anyway. That is in the past.
But I don't have the same level of confidence for the future although I really do hope that I am wrong.
These one year extensions really aren’t anything to worried about for me. It just means they’re getting phased out over time like we should be doing. We can’t cull all of the deadwood in one swoop as much as we’d like too.
Mata getting another year where he plays in a position much more suited to him is fine. No more of this right sided forward shit.
Mata getting another year where he plays in a position much more suited to him is fine. No more of this right sided forward shit.
I'd let them go personally. Jones seemed to be locked to a contract was that before ole? In any case we could still try to sell and would be surprised if we didn't entertain a legitimate offer. If nobody comes to buy there's not much we can do seeing as he signed a big deal recently. Young of course could go this summer, though it's not catastrophic if he doesn't. There's a clear exit plan for him. Being lumbered with players the manager has no plans to use or would rather not have to force into a line up is a bigger issue than one you can define a role for with a clear plan.
If I was in charge for example I would be actively looking to sell
Rojo
Darmian
Jones
For the sake of argument let's say one of 2 strikers don't suit oles plan for this example let's pretend he's open to offers for
Lukaku
He knows the following is going
Valencia
And we may be resigned to losing a player we don't want to eg
Herrera/pogba
So let's say 6 Senior players leave this summer. And they are replaced with 4 good signings of a good profile eg rice sancho felix Alderweireld. And 2 youth players expected to be more involved greenwood tuanzebe.
That is a huge overhaul in one window.
Fast forward 1 summer and we know mata and young are gone. Hopefully sanchez too at some point in next 12 months.
If in 12 months he removes and replaces 9 or 10 first team players that's huge work. Brilliant work if the replacements are right.
I feel that as fans we can make a strong case for almost every player leaving, so every player that stays can be used as evidence of solskjaers weakness or lack of action. It's a weak argument I think and a squad overhaul like I describe is realistic and very proactive
Exactly. Why all the focus on Mata. He will be a useful squad player. He also strikes me as being surprisingly intelligent and make he will be transitioned into a coaching role.
Both Jones and Young were given contracts during Ole time, same with Mata. Which is a kick in the teeth both to his 'survival of the fittest and the best' and 'trusting the youths thing' . Meanwhile we are expected to do better with just 4-5 signings while forgetting that others, who got a better squad and better people at the wheel then some Cardiff failed manager and possibly Rio as DOF will be signing as many as ourselves
Considering his attitude and that of the club I'll be surprised if he doesn't feck off back to Molde by February
Mata has barely ever been useful to us let alone now when he's growing old
From my perspective we have come to a point when the managers propaganda do more harm then helping him.
Maybe it’s time for less talk. Let the results do the talking and start to comment after we have made a transfer or achieved something.
Maybe it’s time for less talk. Let the results do the talking and start to comment after we have made a transfer or achieved something.
I appreciate your concerns. I'd wait until the window is over to see if they're justified. We will absolutely get rid of players that we need to and we will absolutely replace them. A lot of the names we are linked with are players id happily see here. Id weigh it up again at the end of the window.
Think it's important to clarify too that young and jones deals were renewed before solskjaer was even permanent. Massively doubt he was influential in either case. Woodward has a much firmer track record in bad decisions like this
Look I wish and I hope I am wrong on this. However I very much doubt it. This club has been badly lead for many many years and I can't see us changing by bringing in some rookie who proved himself out of depth at Cardiff
Im only hoping that if he fails then the glazers will call quits and sell the club
Just saw a picture of Mourinho on tv.
Puts it all in perspective doesn’t it.
Can’t wait till Ole gets us back where we belong.
Puts it all in perspective doesn’t it.
Can’t wait till Ole gets us back where we belong.
It may go that way. But a good window, some good off pitch appointments and a good start to the season could change trajectory.
Personally I think every manager, even the absolute worst of them whoever it is in your opinion, has been shafted by the owners and Woodward at least to a degree. Not a degree that absolves their failures but certainly one that made their jobs harder than they had to be. I fear the same for solskjaer too even hearing a club legend spoken about in derogatory terms so soon is pretty disheartening.
You think we belong in the bottom half of the table?
No mate you’ve misread I’ve talked about Mourinho being gone
The state of some of you
How so?
You’ve called our best young player “Gashford” before.
Sums up how you view supporting United.
How did you arrive at this conclusion?
Go ahead and explain it to me, that I might understand your way of thinking.
Haha. Completely forgotten I'd said that one. Are you taking note of everyone who has used that insult? It was a while back to be fair and I think I stole it off someone else in the same match day thread.
How can you still be so confident when summer after summer we get let down? I don't really see any reason to believe it'll be any different this year unfortunately. Obviously I hope it is.
Fellaini and Valencia are already confirmed. Mata, Rojo, Herrera, Darmian, Pereira, Bailly, Sanchez. Five of the prior names will probably join them.
But we have this belief every year that we'll get rid of the deadwood. I'd rather keep my expectations very very low.
It's an interview, what do you want him to do, refuse to answer?
People really need to stop giving a shit about public comments. There are press conferences and pre-match interviews scheduled every single week. Managers have to do them and the vast majority just give the most safe, bland, non-controversial answers possible, all of which are either praised or criticised by the fans depending on the current results. Everyone loved when Ole's positive pressers, at first, when he talked about United's standards and how we need to get back to the level we once were, the moment the results went to shit the narrative changed to how he is an unqualified muppet who's too nice and can only bang on about the past. There's no such thing as a good press conference, they're all equally pointless, none of them matter.
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I was on one hand poking fun (albeit in a relatively harmless way) at what I saw as complete blind optimism regarding Ole's abilities.
On the other I do believe he is incompetent enough to make us significantly worse than we are already. Even if it isn't the bottom half of the table then it won't be particularly far off.
So it was just your personal opinion rather than anything factual.
That's cool
Well we know that it is all predictions at this juncture. But we can use existing evidence to inform these predictions and right now that evidence provides little in the way of suggesting that Ole is up to the task.
I'm only confident of getting rid of players and getting new ones. That will happen. It's time we got the right ones in, but expecting every single player you dislike or feel isn't up to it (not you personally) and seeing a failure to get rid of them as a weakness in solskjaer is just the type of ludicrous standard online fans set that makes most duscussion pointless. We should be looking to remove about 12 players over the next 2 summers. That will not happen in one. It simply can't and won't. But we keep mata one year more and people melt down. Hysterical reactions.
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