Although I agree we have too many average players and they must be sold but in what world are you living in if you think a business will let its assets go for free? (regardless of how much they might bring in)
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Although I agree we have too many average players and they must be sold but in what world are you living in if you think a business will let its assets go for free? (regardless of how much they might bring in)
This isn't Fifa.
Are you for real? The last 15 games represents about 5% of Pochettino's time at Spurs, whereas it represents around 50% of Ole's time at United. Only a fool would use a sample size of 5% to judge somebody.
How is Ole responsible for the contract that was signed before he was even hired as care taker manager.Smalling was signed when Jose was manager.
Listen, we're at the point where this club's wage structure has been mismanaged so damn badly that some of these players will need to be let go free if you wanna get rid of them.
You think Young, Jones, Smalling, Martial were given new contracts so we can sell them for more...? Get real.
They'll be here next season, sitting on over-paid contracts, and in some cases, I fecking bet you they'll be first team players still.
The reality is that if any manager wants to sort this squad out, with our current wage structure, some players' contracts should be left to run down - and I'd put it to you that Jones, Young and Mata are exactly those type of players - all signed under Ole (with Ole publicly stating he wants Mata renewal).
There are few issues and those are on Ole, no hiding from it, no way of spinning it. Things like its not his squad and he didnt have a single transfer window stands in the same time. This whole thing where posters being split in 1 or 0 is just mental, fecking insane.
Not only that. Apparent Mata contract is on him too. You have to give it to him, he's been persistent in his anti Ole crusade.
Yeah, it's odd. I mean at least wait for a season when he gets few players of his choice and gets proper preseason with the team.
Why do people act like Young hasn’t been dropped? He has and we were worse in defence.
He's not the only one, we already have a small camp. Hopefully they won't have much to talk about next season. Although I'm sure they'll spin everything in their favor.
They added few sticks to beat him with. Rodgers job at Leicester and even Wolves as ridiculous as that is.
Log off. You're only making yourself look sillier now.
We can't afford to let half the squad go for free. Just bad business sense.
We can't also fix this mess in one summer. Like it or not but there are going to be players you, I and everyone else want gone still here next season.
Stick to FIFA, pal.
Do you really think on an internet forum dedicated to all things Manchester United people will have to at least a season before they can give their opinion? People had strong opinions against previous manager too, and they starting propping pretty soon. It is no different to what is going on with Ole, people have certain reservations about him mainly due to the fact how he ended up in this job and how chaotic we look tactically.
An imprint of the manager is visible pretty soon, we saw it with van Gaal and Jose themselves. Pep has sold more than half the squad which he inherited in his first season but he still produced which is leagues beyond what we've seen under any manager. I along with others don't see what he's trying to do on pitch, we look every bit as clueless as we did under Jose. No chemistry, no ideas, nothing.
I agree they need to be sold but You really are living in a different world if you think a business will let its assets go for free.
Get real? you really need to get of Fifa.
Oh dear.
People keep repeating this "imprint" and ignore how we looked in first few weeks before our players started to get injured in bunches. That's when we moved back to old style and dropped playing with high intensity (before we used to out run and make more sprints than opponents, which changed later)
Of course you have to wait and give time for manager time, it was given for everyone. Go and check how good Van Gaal's start to the season was in 2014-15, it was 13 points in 10 games but still he got time as team was still adapting to his methods. Similarly we went on shit runs under Jose many times in first season still got benefit of doubt.
You can make any number of tactical plans, it means nothing when your players are gassed out at half time.
When Poch, Conte, Pep or any manager takes over, first thing they do is work on players fitness. Did Solskjaer get the time to do that? No. Just FYI, ManUtd ended up in 20th position in distance covered in last 2 seasons, that should tell us how shit our fitness is.
It’s a worry, the vibe around the club at the moment. It’s Moysian. Since the collapse in form we’ve become a figure of fun. I’ve heard it referred to as ‘the meme trophy’. We desperately need to get top 4 because if we are in Europa with Ole at the helm, we could struggle big time to attract the right players.
Meant in response to it being used as a negative for Ole, as your comment is true - contract signed 4 days before Ole was appointed. Unfortunately seeing quite a few of these negatives being crafted out of thin air around here (not saying there aren't legit concerns as well).
I agree. We need to get away from 'jobs for the boys' and get in players that consistently improve us
Hit ignore if someone holding a different to your own bothers you that much, it'll save you posting rude, immature garbage like this.
Again, cool it with the offish, rude remarks, you're on a forum where the point is discussion and if hearing opposing views bothers you that much you need to take a look at yourself and wonder why you're even here.
You haven't engaged my point about our wage structure making it incredibly difficult to actually sell the dross - neither has poster above you.
My point is that you won't sell them - not on the wages they've been erroneously handed out by our club. Some of them will need to go for free, and instead they're being given new contracts.
And for what it's worth, I'm a man approaching 40 who hasn't played a Fifa game since the early '00s... I've supported Utd since the mid 80s (before Ferguson), which I would wager is longer than a lot of the loud mouth zealots on here
Think they were when Ole was interim, so may not have had a say in it and just played the happy card to make sure he got the job.
Here’s an idea. Anyone who ever uses the phrase “meme trophy” you block out your life forever. You’d be happier and you’d speak to less idiots.
Beautiful irony...
Leicester beating us by 5 goals was when he changed
No Fergie signed him originally. Might have renewed by one or two others
I'm assuming he means when Smalling signed his last contract.
There was no imprint or identity even in the earlier matches, we played against straight up trash sides when he got the job. Even then we were significantly overperforming in those matches, our chance creation in relation to conversion was abnormally high. Once things aligned into normality with better opponents, first performances dropped and then the result. What has Ole done to arrest that? Set us up negatively just like under Mourinho. Also, I don't buy this change is entirely down to fitness problem. Klopp took over Liverpool in October of 2015, they were playing high intensity and attacking football until late May where they ended up reaching Europa League Final. Majority on this forum were convinced that our squad is full of quality players who just need an attack minded manager to express themselves, 3 months in and everyone is shit and needs to be sold. It is not that easy. You cannot pin everything onto a manager, just like you cannot pin everything on the players. Truth is somewhere in the middle.
Also, nowhere did I say he doesn't need time or shouldn't be given one. All I am saying is that until that point, there are still valid questions to be asked. When you know a goal is all you need to get your team in CL place and you bring on duo of McTominay and Pereira, followed by Sanchez in last 10 then fans have every right to question your decision. He has made plenty of questionable decisions with regards to who he plays, who stays for next season with contract renewals and how he sets us up. Pre-season or not, those things can be debated, certainly on a Man Utd forum.
I amended it
Repeated same arguments many times. TBH not arsed to repeat the same again.
Hit ignore if someone holding a different to your own bothers you that much, it'll save you posting rude, immature garbage like this.
Again, cool it with the offish, rude remarks, you're on a forum where the point is discussion and if hearing opposing views bothers you that much you need to take a look at yourself and wonder why you're even here.
You haven't engaged my point about our wage structure making it incredibly difficult to actually sell the dross - neither has poster above you.
My point is that you won't sell them - some of them will need to go for free, and instead they're being given new contracts.
And for what it's worth, I'm a man approaching 40 who hasn't played a Fifa game since the early '00s... I've supported Utd since the mid 80s (before Ferguson), which I would wager is longer than a lot of the loud mouth zealots on here
Rude remarks?
Telling you, you're living in a different world if you think they'll let them go for free. How rude of me.My point is simple which you don't seem to comprehend for someone who is nearly 40. I'll say it again for you, no business will sell its assets for free regardless of how much they may bring in. You may have a point regarding our wage structure or on anything else but United aren't owned by Oil rich arabs to whom money is nothing, we're owned by Glazers and they're not people who will let players go for free.
Its not about will they be sold or not but why would a business let its assets go for free and if they're on too much money then that doesn't mean they'll let them go for free. I know it makes sense in your head but you're talking about the Glazers not Arabs, so it makes no sense to engage in your point since its not realistic with our owners.
I think you think you’ve done me here but genuinely you know people who say “meme trophy” and still converse with them.
I agree that shifting high earners can be problematic. Perhaps loaning them out with an option to buy could be done, halving wages and freeing up squad places for younger players.Hit ignore if someone holding a different to your own bothers you that much, it'll save you posting rude, immature garbage like this.
Again, cool it with the offish, rude remarks, you're on a forum where the point is discussion and if hearing opposing views bothers you that much you need to take a look at yourself and wonder why you're even here.
You haven't engaged my point about our wage structure making it incredibly difficult to actually sell the dross - neither has poster above you.
My point is that you won't sell them - not on the wages they've been erroneously handed out by our club. Some of them will need to go for free, and instead they're being given new contracts.
And for what it's worth, I'm a man approaching 40 who hasn't played a Fifa game since the early '00s... I've supported Utd since the mid 80s (before Ferguson), which I would wager is longer than a lot of the loud mouth zealots on here
Rude remarks?
My point is simple which you don't seem to comprehend for someone who is nearly 40. I'll say it again for you, no business will sell its assets for free regardless of how much they may bring in. You may have a point regarding our wage structure or on anything else but United aren't owned by Oil rich arabs to whom money is nothing, we're owned by Glazers and they're not people who will let players go for free.
Its not about will they be sold or not but why would a business let its assets go for free and if they're on too much money then that doesn't mean they'll let them go for free. I know it makes sense in your head but you're talking about the Glazers not Arabs, so it makes no sense to engage in your point since its not realistic with our owners.
Yeah, rude remarks, which have continued in your above post.
I'll spell it out as straight forwardly as I can for you and then we'll leave it at that, as I don't appreciate the tone of a lot of the posts in here at present - you and a number of other posters are becoming increasingly rude, defensive and pedantic and to be honest it stunts any intelligent debate.
But anyway, here goes, again...
In order to sort this, specific squad, and 'be ruthless', you will need to let a number of dross players go for free due to the ridiculous wages they're sat on.
You will save the money of their wages by letting them go for free, you will no longer need to pay wages to (for example) Young, Jones, Mata, Smalling - and over a year you will save millions of pounds from doing that.
If you give them new, fat contracts, you will find it even harder to sell them, and you will be contracted to continue paying their stacked wages for even longer.
To fix this squad you will need to cut losses, you will need proper leadership, and you will need to invest after cutting losses.
Sitting on your keyboard and whining that 'businesses don't let players go for free' is, firstly incorrect - Ander Herrera, an actually useful player is going for free to PSG this fecking Summer. Something that appears to've slipped your mind in your panic to keep yammering the same point over and over again.
And secondly, it ignores the actual context of the situation...
Either this is a broken squad, or it isn't. And if it is, you will never, ever fix it by handing out juicy new contracts to the fecking players that make up the dross.
If it isn't, then great, but then you have a problem, because then results must come down solely to Ole, and it appears that any length will be gone to on here at the moment to avoid doing that...!
Please, actually read the above points before wading back in.
I'm fine with you holding a different opinion, but please present it by tackling the actual meat of my post, and dealing with the actual reality of this squad and this club.
Well said. I couldn't have put it better myself.
I thought that I was pretty much the odd one out on this issue so it is good to read that this is not the case.
I can understand that view.
Was he really. Time for bed I think.
The biggest problem at Manchester United right now are the owners.. They are the people who are running the club, anyone can see that the club is being run very badly, everyone knows who is running the club. Things are not going to get any better until these shirt sellers are sent packing. Ed Woodward is their hand at the club, and he has been responsible for recruiting new players for many years now. Our performance on the pitch shows us that he is a guy without a clue, regarding football matters. He has done a first class job in bringing cash into the club and it shows that the cash coming in is more important than club success. WE are not a club in search of trophies, we are a club in search of cash. WE need the idiot out as soon as possible his aim is not to win trophies but to sell shirts in his own words...https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ews/ed-woodward-manchester-united-can-6373895
Once again....how rude of me.
and here its goes...
Ander has been offered a contract but he doesn't want to sign it and thats why he's going to PSG not because we want to let him go for free..... the difference between Andre's situation and the likes of jones/young Who were offered a contract >> they agreed while Ander didn't (who knew a player actually had to agree to a contract, shocking revelation). Can't make this any clearer for you but since you decided to make this point, your level is ignorance is shocking.
In order to be ruthless you need owners who are behind the plan like city's owners were when they let some players go for free.
We don't have those owners, we have leeches.
Instead of spending your time writing your dribble, you should just focus on the reality of this club>> We have Glazers not Arabs.
You're busy being too precious that you're forgetting I don't disagree with your point but that we don't have Owners who will ever let anyone go for free (already explained ander's situation to you). I am dealing with the actual reality of this club while you're too busy Day dreaming about United having owners who will let players go for free.
Anyways, I am done with you since all you're doing is repeating the same stuff but forgetting to you're not dealing with the actual reality of this club.
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