I've come to accept this. In previous years even under Mourinho or Van Gaal you would fancy us winning something.
That's how far we've fallen.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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That's how far we've fallen.
Come back when you've watches united for 45 years. The highs and the lows are part of the journey. And over time it all comes around.
Ambition isn't simply saying 'sack the manager because i want to win the league' - ambition setting realistic aims and working on a long term plan and over a period of time seeing that plan take shape.
As Fergie always said 'short termism' gets you nowhere.
Against a vastly inferior side, the manager of Manchester United held back on making subs during regular time to save all of them for penalties. They were there for the taking in the second half, and he has penalties on his mind. Just in case someone decides to bore me with "other managers have done this", yes they have, but deep into extra time, and not at the expense of trying to win the match against an inferior side in regular time.
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I agree with this. He's done better than I expected, but the fact that Ole has even walked out as Utd manager is indicative of the club's failings since Fergie went more than anything. The managers we've missed out on in that time is criminal for a club like ours.
Unless you're bringing in a Klopp, Pep, Touchel or someone of that stature with proven success, I just don't really have the energy to move Ole on. At least he gets the club and is fixing some deeply problematic elements with how our squads had been assembled/handled. I think being the right cultural fit for Utd is a huge thing, and not something I see in many managers in the game - outside of who our main rivals currently have at the helm!
We have to learn from losing on penalties? Why not learn from all the other non performances we’ve had this season? Why not learn from defending poorly at set pieces. I can’t listen to this interview Jesus!
The players didn't turn up except cavani, Mason and especially mctominay
Two of them got subbed.
Ole needs to take the blame and criticism for that
Going away from the 442 hybrid for the 4231 stifled us and played into villareal hand
Again his sub's were shocking. For somebody who would study the game and then be brought on as a sub to change the game, it's baffling how he can watch the game and take so long to make changes where needed.
Sentimentality won out because he was making sub's like Telles and Mata to take penalties but the big one he has to make is taking off ddg to have a chance
Two of them got subbed.
Ole needs to take the blame and criticism for that
Going away from the 442 hybrid for the 4231 stifled us and played into villareal hand
Again his sub's were shocking. For somebody who would study the game and then be brought on as a sub to change the game, it's baffling how he can watch the game and take so long to make changes where needed.
Sentimentality won out because he was making sub's like Telles and Mata to take penalties but the big one he has to make is taking off ddg to have a chance
Don't bother. Failed Cardiff manager is 3rd best United manager according to some his fans.
Sorry dude, but as a parody you don't even cut it anymore!!
You need to rethink your strategy next season,
Ole the Clueless has gotten Pep to change his tactics specifically to counter our strengths, only to beat him anyway, so surely it can't be that big of an achievement?
Let's hope Poch saves us, I mean he's great at winning leagues and trophies isn't he
I could almost guarantee we'd be a lot better if Poch had us these last couple of years. He had all the same ethos as Ole, gave youth a chance etc, but can coach a team very well.
Haha. I thought the same. But in his position, what's he going to say? "I'm going to revolutionise our coaching team and react quicker with in-game decisions".
Ole was the stepping stone we needed at the time he came in. Hes done well to get us from the dark Mourhino days.
Now we need to take the next step, otherwise the hard work Ole has done will go to waste.
Ole will always be a Utd legend. Please don’t let this be tarnished. Walk away with your head held high.
Now we need to take the next step, otherwise the hard work Ole has done will go to waste.
Ole will always be a Utd legend. Please don’t let this be tarnished. Walk away with your head held high.
So because I'm not a boomer I can't have an opinion?
How many times have we finished second in the last ten years?If you say so
I think you need a reality check,
We are not the United of old.
Must be a lot drunk tonight pal, each to their own but its worrying some will support Ole when he didnt go all out win against villareal.. villareal!
Thats the expectations of a top hungry manager at utd should be yet people just love Ole regardless if his got what it takes
Sad to see, truly is
Not sure what you’re trying to argue, what, because we finished miles behind them and now we’ve finished ahead? They’ve dropped loads more points than we’ve gained ie it’s not because we’ve massively improved. I expect them and most others to pick up the pace next season, we’ll just skirt either side of 70 points.
Hes won a ton of games on the back of performances like tonight, but dare to call it out and you get slagged off. 50/50s have gone his way more often than not this season, but yet again he’s bottled it when it mattered most, in a position that was very winnable.
I've watched United for over 35 years, Ole isnt good enough.
He is not a winner. A lovely pleasant guy, gave the club its biggest moment ever but has zero killer instinct.
Terrified to take it to a mid table La Liga side, only trusts 12/13 players. I mean what kind of manager doesn't make a sub until the 100th minute in a Cup final, after the opposition has replaced half their team? Clueless and cowardly.
We simply will never win anything as long as he is here.
Terrified to take it to a mid table La Liga side, only trusts 12/13 players. I mean what kind of manager doesn't make a sub until the 100th minute in a Cup final, after the opposition has replaced half their team? Clueless and cowardly.
We simply will never win anything as long as he is here.
He's on watch next season, he needs to start winning something. We've definitely improved, but it's too slow right now if we want to win some silverware.
The lack of any subs until minute 100 is fecking me right off the more I think about it. Didn’t trust his squad which is worrying.
Done him how though? By telling his entire team to defend for 120 minutes? Have his team time waste from the very first whistle? Win by the odd penalty in 21?
There was no emphasis on him to try to win the game. His plan was to drag it out and hope to punish an error. Even after we equalised they didn't bother trying to win it, they'd have taken pens before kick off
Now, fair fcuks to the guy it worked and it goes on his cv but there's no masterclass there. Every time the camera cut to him he was telling his team to get back!
To be able to approach a game like that is a luxury Ole simply didn't have.
Pretty much. It’s always been pretty evident he’s more of a motivational manager in the quasi-Fergie mould than a tactical one, but if you’re gonna die on the hill of that being all we need, then you need to concede that it isn’t good enough when we lose to a side who are man for man much worse than us, playing for a team who’d never been in a European final before!.... he’s undeniably done better than many thought he would in a job that seemed well above his station, but he may simply have reached his limit, as a playing legend given a generous opportunity in management...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
He’s certainly not helped himself by hiring house boy yes men to his team, rather than a wide and rotating range of the newest and most acute modern coaches - as Fergie himself did... So he looks stuck because he can’t seem to understand that playing your best 11 for 15 months straight, and occasionally brining on a like for like sub on 80 minutes, isn’t really workable in 2021, however enthusiastically you put your arm around them tell ‘em they’re lovely...
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Exactly. He also failed to address the loss of form and motivation before the final. Bar the last game against Wolves where it was basically a reserve team, we hadn't won in a long time. I always felt a good set of results would have given us a huge boost before the final. Many will give him credit for finishing 2nd but Manchester United should be about coming first, not being the first of the losers.
You're right, we have been in hiding, ashamed at how wrong our opinion was, justified with how much Ole has won this season for us.
100% agree.
I won't classify him as a failure. He did well rebuilding the squad and there's no doubt the current squad is much better than the one Mourinho left.
Meanwhile it's so fecking obvious he doesn't have it to win us crucial games and trophies. This is the max we'll get under him. Next season will more probably than not be the same : top 2-3 with some good runs in the cups and maybe luck will be on our side and one of them. That's about it.
Jose won 3 finals of 4 with us. And won the top 4 trophy. He had 3 shit months and got sacked. This guy has 3 shit years and he will get 4th year to win us another great top 4 trophy.
It is borderline masochistic
I completely understand your sentiment about instant success, but do you not see how poor we are because we have a manager who doesn't have a clue when to make a substitution, even though he was one of the best of all time. I don't know what's the answer but I know we won't win anything with him as manager.
12 pages in 40 minutes.
Impressive.
Impressive.
This loss is on his squad management. Completely missed the opportunity to impact the match by subbing rashford who wasn't fit or just bad.
Moyes would do better with this team for the simple fact he can organise an average defence to function well.
No surprise that Ole leaves it ridiculously late making a sub when he himself usually came on with 10 minutes to spare.
I said you were being silly because in response to saying we only need a cb and rw to compete you said ' oh you want messi and van dijk'.
Over many years watching United the highs and lows become part of the journey - not a crisis or something to lose your shit over. We'll have good times again (very soon) and bad times again.
But knee jerk reactions like you see on here aren't how the real world operates. Everyone with experience in the game see the direction United are heading is positive - we're not the finished article but we're not shit either.
Ole need to be more ruthless with his loyalty to some players. I think he’s on the right track with his treatment of DDG and Lingard. We need more please. Not to totally abandon a player but to “punish” a player (privately please, and give KJ. A “rest”) when he is not performing, I’m talking about Rashford.
Only thing which i can't understand; how failed Cardiff manager and ex Molde manager can't win trophy with United? How? Who would think that? What are the odds?
More sadism, isn't it? Clearly gets some thrill running players into the dirt.
"Chase that ball, Mason, you little slut."
But anyway, this loss is on Ole and because of that I have major doubts that he can take us any further.
Based on what exactly? Tonight showed we're not at the level required.
But that just comes across to me as you dismissing his critics because he lost - “how dare he lose a game”.The issue is he’s bottled it yet again at a critical point, in a winnable game. The irony is we have seen him win quite a few games with these kinds of performances, but those who said the warning signs are there have been made into pariahs.
We need better players yes, but I don’t think we’ll ever be anything more than a team fighting for top 4. We’ve sat idly by and let good managers go elsewhere yet again.
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