It's almost as if they weren't trying the league as they had a cup final to play for.
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It's almost as if they weren't trying the league as they had a cup final to play for.
I don't think Woodward or the Glazers will want a huge summer. I mean wasn't that the whole point of getting rid of Mourinho - that we have a squad stacked with world class talent that he personally didn't like and was squandering, and he was going to ship most of them out if he made it to the summer. Plus results were bad. So he had to go, to save the players and improve the results.
Results are currently worse under Solskjaer than at any point during Mourinho's reign, and we're heading for a summer where Ole (after saying how brilliant the players all are when he first arrived) now wants a clear out, too.
The Glazers will be wondering what the point of it all was, and I'm not sure they will suddenly be keen to loosen the purse strings. One imagines that they might say the same thing to Ole as they said to Mourinho - Martial, Pogba, Shaw and the rest of them are world class players - if you cannot get a tune out of them, make way for someone who will.
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And that excuses our recent performances (I say recent but it's been an extremely long time since we played well)?
Also, this was us vs PSG: They ran 108.5km to our 112.3km.
Yeah, before that they were so consistent in the league winning shit loads of matches isn't it?
In December they played 5 games, winning 2, losing 2 and 1 draw
In Jan they played 4 games winning just 1, losing 2.
In Feb they played 3 games winning 1, losing 1
In March they played 3 winning 2 and losing 1
In April they played 5, winning 3 and drawing 2.
Their best run of form was winning 3 games.
It's not that the stopped trying, it's just that they were inconsistent and their league form was no better before.
I don't think those are the types of players that comment is directed at. He's likely already made his mind up about signing a new right back, for instance. I expect this is him laying down the gauntlet for the likes of Matic, Lukaku and Alexis.
And post PSG we look exhausted physically and mentally, our form went downhill from that game.
It's not excuse, our players fitness is shit and it's not even some secret. Always in bottom of the table when it comes to distance covered, we have a genius to thank for all this.
While that is true, it is also possibly true that Solskjaer's tactic of running his players into the ground is never going to be sustainable over any length of time, no matter how many preseasons he gets with them.
A similar collapse in form around November/December next year is a distinct possibility if he starts running them hard during Europa League qualifiers in July.
It's fair to say that they probably didn't even care about the league given how far they were off the top when Rodgers was sacked. And it was clear what sort of style Klopp was trying to implement albeit they displayed inconsistency.
I think they finished the season with 11 wins, 7 draws and 4 losses but most importantly they scored 44 goals across these competitions.
They were 6 points from top of the table and 3 points behind 4th placed team.
At the start of December, they were 6 points off top and 4 points behind 4th placed team.
Not sure why you are taking last 22 games, looks very random.
I 100% do not believe that Ole is the problem.
When you have to start Darmian in a derby, cos the squad is full of players that are inferior to someone we have been actively trying to sell for at least 2/3 transfer windows, it says a lot about where we are.
Ole did what he could to contain a superior team last night and two bad mistakes did for him. Not gonna get at him over that.
When you have to start Darmian in a derby, cos the squad is full of players that are inferior to someone we have been actively trying to sell for at least 2/3 transfer windows, it says a lot about where we are.
Ole did what he could to contain a superior team last night and two bad mistakes did for him. Not gonna get at him over that.
A 34 year old Ashley Young, sure. A Jesse Lingard who, given clear instructions to complement a coherent system? Absolutely. Would you have expected James Milner or Jordan Henderson to be part of a title and CL competing team? Two seasons running!
Looks random, how so? You'd expect signs of his coaching to show up towards the end of their season, no?
Ole ain't Klopp, I'm gonna bet my house and my car that Lingard with all the preseason, will never be able to get close to that level of performances you talked about. He is hopeless
Agreed its too harsh to judge him now and if the plan is to play like we did in the first 4 or 5 games after he came in and he thinks that is sustainable, then I'd be happy to get behind him.
He must get things right in the summer though.
If it was me, I'd sell Pogba and maybe De Gea too, as well as getting rid of the players everyone knows should go already, but that might be a step too far for Ole.
I don't think that mattered much to Ole that Liverpool would go on the title if we beat City last night. Those small time concerns are for us fans, he had United on his mind
Why 22 games, why not last 5 or 10 or 15. Why some random number like 22?
Also 22 games is not end of season. In a full season that's 1/3rd of a season if team reaches last stages of all competitions.
I hope you are right. We need a ruthless approach
I think that was the start of the EL knockout stages. Hardly a random number.
For the people who care about this sort of stuff:
Its almost like they're pulling things out of their back sides to make a case rather than going with actual facts.
So since the start of EL knock out games, they played
9 games in EL - scoring 13 goals
1 game in League cup - scoring 1 goal
12 games in PL - Scoring 25 goals
That's 22 games - 39 goals. In a league season that's equivalent to 67 goals in a season. What's so special about that?
Solskjaer as Interim Manager: win ratio 73.7%
Solskjaer as Manager: defeat ratio 71.4%
Solskjaer as Manager: defeat ratio 71.4%
They also finished their league season with 1 win in 5. Oh and started their new year with 1 win in 6. Oh and ended their previous year with 2 wins in 5. They lost to Palace, Newcastle, Watford, west ham, United, Leicester, Southampton, and Swansea in the league. Got hammered in some of those too. So dont give some bullshit about Klopps first season please. Their league results were fecking horrendous and they had challenged for the title the year before with Rodgers. You know why people didnt overreact even though he took over in October? Because they knew it was a big fecking job and taking over mid season is fecked anyway and it was unfair to judge. Even though klopp had just almost gotten relegated with Doetmund the year before.
If you go back and see my posts, I said they ended the season on a high. They lost the final, but they made it and had some special moments on the way.
My point is Klopp is on another level to Ole. I have no idea why anyone would argue otherwise.
I fully agree.
You said they ended the season winning bunch of games, in reality they ended season with 1 win in 5 league games. In EL last 5 games, they won 2, lost 2, drew 1.
You somehow wanted to highlight their goal scoring record, which was average and nothing special.
If we go by this Liverpool seem to be lucky to be anywhere near City let alone with a great chance to win the league, should come back in mix next season.
Anyone with eyes knows that Liverpool are lucky to be near City. Offside goals, refereeing howlers, goalkeeping howlers galore.
I am on the fence at the moment.
I am really not happy with the comments in the press about some of our players and I believe Ole should publicly at least be supportive until the season is done.
When Van Persie struggled for a time after joining us the knives were out but Sir Alex came out and said something along the lines of 'he is making fantastic runs, we have yet to find him because we are not use to that type of movement but we will learn and work on it until we make it right.' That took the pressure of everyone.
I don't believe that every player needs the stick. Ronaldo never liked it and no one would ever accuse him of being mentally weak. So it is horse for courses and at the moment I have not seen that variation in his approach to certain players. Some look devoid of confidence and he is quick to praise some players who clearly not need it but remains silent on others who do. In some instances far too 'matey'.
Whether Ole has the ability or not to iron out these man management issues is not going to be answered this season. We will see if his rhetoric is enough to get De Gea to sign, Pogba to stay and convince Sanchez, Lukaku and Martial that their talent is as important as Rashford's and the long ball tactic was a short term fix not a long term solution.
I am really not happy with the comments in the press about some of our players and I believe Ole should publicly at least be supportive until the season is done.
When Van Persie struggled for a time after joining us the knives were out but Sir Alex came out and said something along the lines of 'he is making fantastic runs, we have yet to find him because we are not use to that type of movement but we will learn and work on it until we make it right.' That took the pressure of everyone.
I don't believe that every player needs the stick. Ronaldo never liked it and no one would ever accuse him of being mentally weak. So it is horse for courses and at the moment I have not seen that variation in his approach to certain players. Some look devoid of confidence and he is quick to praise some players who clearly not need it but remains silent on others who do. In some instances far too 'matey'.
Whether Ole has the ability or not to iron out these man management issues is not going to be answered this season. We will see if his rhetoric is enough to get De Gea to sign, Pogba to stay and convince Sanchez, Lukaku and Martial that their talent is as important as Rashford's and the long ball tactic was a short term fix not a long term solution.
Everyone can strengthen their teams over the summer, so its difficult to extrapolate these results to the next season.
All you need to do is include one more and its 45 goals in 23 games. I literally highlighted one point over anything else and that was that it was clear the style in which he wanted Liverpool to move forward. A couple years later and they're levels above us. The only thing I see from Ole is a shitter version of Mourinhos tactics.
I absolutely agree that's why I still believe we can challenge for title next season if we get our signings right and get some momentum early on, we don't have to embark on 3 year rebuilding process to challenge.
Make up your mind and fix the number. I wasn't the one who used 22 games,
You said "I think they finished the season with 11 wins, 7 draws and 4 losses but most importantly they scored 44 goals across these competitions."
Even 45 goals in 23 games is equivalent to 74 goals league season, nothing special.
Its almost like they're pulling things out of their back sides to make a case rather than going with actual facts.
They keep twisting everything until they are close to the point they want to make.
Irrespective of who our manager is it’s 2-3 years to sort this out and some form of recognition that we need to genuinely rebuild and forget about winning anything.
That won’t happen and Ole won’t get the support he needs in the transfer market, be shocked if he lasts more than a year from now. It’s too big a job for him and probably whoever follows him or would have been appointed instead.
That won’t happen and Ole won’t get the support he needs in the transfer market, be shocked if he lasts more than a year from now. It’s too big a job for him and probably whoever follows him or would have been appointed instead.
That's why I don't agree with posters who tip City and Liverpool to be stand out teams next season as well , City are a great team but Liverpool would have hard time replicating this season's form.
These types of stats doesn't really tell you the full story though. Confidence and other factors are not really included and I don't think it is lucky if you keep on doing enough to get your wins.
City are probably better to blast teams with plenty of chances than Liverpool, but it is not certain that it will reward them for sure over time either.
Overall City is better and will probably win the league. Still I do expect Liverpool to get even stronger if they bring in some more attacking options since they play Mane, Firmino and Salah in all games and that might not work for another season.
I wonder if this place would be less dramatic if we lost to Chelsea earlier in the FA Cup and we didnt get a last minute pen against PSG so just didnt have the chance to lose to Wolves and Barcelona twice. Though I guess people are so willing to forget a great run of 20 games if the last 10 were bad, struggling to look at the whole and realizing that teams go through good runs and bad runs. Also important to realize that we've had a fecked up fixture list. You dont normally get 7 games added in to an anyway tough part of the season like we did. 5 of them away. 4 against straight up better teams, 2 against teams at our level, and 1 against a team that has been beating the big teams all season.
I understand it if you dont think hes right for the job. But its fecking Ole, show some fecking faith and give him at least a chance. You can say all you want that 7 losses in 9 is relegation form, but its not when you had a 15 game run that had you in the best form in the league since he took over.
You look at the start when he took over, and you see where we end up. You look at the league table if results since he took over. You look at how he performed in the cups. Currently, he took over with us so far away from anything and the season as a write off, yet now if we win the last 3 there is a very real possibility that we finish 4th. In the FA Cup, we won 2 games consecutively away to big 6 teams, which is really difficult to do anyway, and then the big games caught up with us away to a team who performs brilliantly against the big 6. The FA Cup run exceeded expectations given the fixtures whatever way you look at it. In the CL, we made the quarter finals, nothing amazing, but probably the standard for our club. In no way a disappointment, especially when you consider that we faced vastly superior sides in both rounds, managed to get past one but not the other against a club that has been vastly superior to United for most of the previous 30 years or more.
So if you look at it overall, theres a good shot at finishing top 4 from a situation where pretty much unanimously people on here said he no question he deserves the job if we get top 4 even if that was an unrealistic standard at the time given how far away we were. We had a good run in the FA Cup where the tough away games just caught up with us, and then lost in a CL quarter final to Barcelona who are always just a level above us anyway. A team where at our peak and them very far from their peak, we massively struggled to get past them but just about managed it to put it into perspective.
Ideally, yeah we all wouldve wanted to wait until the end of the season to make a decision. But football doesnt work like that. Its not like there was so many managers just waiting on you to make a decision on a manager that was performing well anyway. It's not like players will wait on that decision when other teams are settled and competing for their signature. A decision had to be made in order for us to plan for next season, and it was made. The fixture list has caught up with us since, but we can still end on a positive note, and he deserves the summer window to at least do his part in starting the massive rebuild that we need.
I understand it if you dont think hes right for the job. But its fecking Ole, show some fecking faith and give him at least a chance. You can say all you want that 7 losses in 9 is relegation form, but its not when you had a 15 game run that had you in the best form in the league since he took over.
You look at the start when he took over, and you see where we end up. You look at the league table if results since he took over. You look at how he performed in the cups. Currently, he took over with us so far away from anything and the season as a write off, yet now if we win the last 3 there is a very real possibility that we finish 4th. In the FA Cup, we won 2 games consecutively away to big 6 teams, which is really difficult to do anyway, and then the big games caught up with us away to a team who performs brilliantly against the big 6. The FA Cup run exceeded expectations given the fixtures whatever way you look at it. In the CL, we made the quarter finals, nothing amazing, but probably the standard for our club. In no way a disappointment, especially when you consider that we faced vastly superior sides in both rounds, managed to get past one but not the other against a club that has been vastly superior to United for most of the previous 30 years or more.
So if you look at it overall, theres a good shot at finishing top 4 from a situation where pretty much unanimously people on here said he no question he deserves the job if we get top 4 even if that was an unrealistic standard at the time given how far away we were. We had a good run in the FA Cup where the tough away games just caught up with us, and then lost in a CL quarter final to Barcelona who are always just a level above us anyway. A team where at our peak and them very far from their peak, we massively struggled to get past them but just about managed it to put it into perspective.
Ideally, yeah we all wouldve wanted to wait until the end of the season to make a decision. But football doesnt work like that. Its not like there was so many managers just waiting on you to make a decision on a manager that was performing well anyway. It's not like players will wait on that decision when other teams are settled and competing for their signature. A decision had to be made in order for us to plan for next season, and it was made. The fixture list has caught up with us since, but we can still end on a positive note, and he deserves the summer window to at least do his part in starting the massive rebuild that we need.
They finished 7th
. Yes it was a poor season but they weren't "almost relegated". Jesus. Does that mean Mourinho "Almost Relegated" Chelsea in his final season with them before United signed him up?- Status