And of all the managers we've had since SAF, he's the one who would make me the happiest and proudest to succeed. This sorry bunch of players coupled with his inexperience make it tough to be hopeful
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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The thing I'm most concerned about is whether Ole recognises that he needs to add to his coaching team. We should be looking for the best we can hire to assist him. It would be good to have people not associated with United as we've already got enough of them surrounding Ole. He needs to have fresh ideas from elsewhere as well.
I'm also wondering if we shouldn't interview Jordi Cryuff for technical director role. He might be more objective in his outlook. Too much of the usual suspects being hired and it means we'll be stuck in the past without the success.
I also think the favouring of the British/academy lads needs to handled better. It's clear favouritism and quite awkward. When they don't do well, they should be treated the same as everyone else. Whether this comes from the influence of Carrick/Phelan I don't know, but it's slightly worrying.
I want him to succeed badly, so I'm praying he takes a step back and really look at all issues. It's not just the players.
I'm also wondering if we shouldn't interview Jordi Cryuff for technical director role. He might be more objective in his outlook. Too much of the usual suspects being hired and it means we'll be stuck in the past without the success.
I also think the favouring of the British/academy lads needs to handled better. It's clear favouritism and quite awkward. When they don't do well, they should be treated the same as everyone else. Whether this comes from the influence of Carrick/Phelan I don't know, but it's slightly worrying.
I want him to succeed badly, so I'm praying he takes a step back and really look at all issues. It's not just the players.
He needs to start showing some sort of style.
Even Jaap Stam had one with Reading and that was with way worse players.
Even Jaap Stam had one with Reading and that was with way worse players.
The players lack quality. He lacks experience. Players are not going to respect him if we keep losing, even if they are partly responsible.
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I agree. Our ability to make moves in the transfer market & his coaching ability are both suspect right now. Frustrating as from the initial few games it looked like we finally may get out of the rut we have been in since Sir Alex's retirement. This current run has shattered all the illusions I was under.
This is the bit that makes a little hopeful,the ideas and the principle we were using this period, I hope he tries to go back on them with a full summer preparation and the right players bought. Or maybe it was all the happiness of not having Mourinho as a manager anymore...
Ole needs to do like Fergie and sell off his biggest star, cause this just doesn't work any more.
Pogba is jogging casually around not doing much, just making sure he stays uninjured, and he probably already booked his flight to Madrid.
Many of the others are too old and slow, way over the top. Total makeover needed.
Pogba is jogging casually around not doing much, just making sure he stays uninjured, and he probably already booked his flight to Madrid.
Many of the others are too old and slow, way over the top. Total makeover needed.
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I know it's Andy Gray, but he is 100% correct
You make some good points. Getting a experienced coach to join the backroom staff would be very beneficial. Someone with a bit of pedigree would be ideal.
Jordi Cruyff and Ole are close friends ever since they both signed for us over 20 years ago. Cruyff as the DoF could also be a good move.
This is spot on. There’s a complete dereliction of coaching to give the side any sort of basic structure or foundation for success. I’m struggling to get anyone to engage in this discussion though and analyse what it is Ole is trying to do week to week. If we cannot see the framework, how can we expect the players to succeed? There’s nothing to fall back on and no wonder we look so disjointed in attack. The players don’t have appreciable understanding of intended patterns of play.
Hate saying it but this appointment is going to end in disaster. How he picked Lingard for last night’s game is beyond my comprehension. Then no subs until the game was already lost? seriously?
Andy Gray has always had good/great football analysis for me
LvG said pretty much exactly the same 3 or 4 weeks ago
Agreed with this. Ole is not perfect by any means and he might be out of his depth, but its to early to tell now since these players are clearly miles behind the team that beat us yesterday.
Say we sacked Ole by the end of the season, who do we bring in? Poch? If we did he he would still inherit the same shite squad and i dont really think he would do much better. We could go on and do this dance with sacking and hieing new managers every 1-2 years but will it helo?
He’s usually pretty good to be fair. Definitely right about the substitutions - it’s been a running problem with Ole. He’s waiting far too long to make changes, I’d be interested to see some stats on this. How many unforced substitutions has he made before 70 minutes?
all true
But honestly why? He had a typical new manager/caretaker bounce, beyond that, its actually been pretty dodgy for awhile. I don't believe in this group of players at all, but I've no real reason to think Ole will do much better if we improve the squad drastically.
Well I think he deserves the Chelsea game at least. PSG away, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal FA cup we did well. Tactically we looked good in those games which is the main positive.
Who else was he supposed to pick based on the Everton performance and what else was he supposed to do with the team available?
People get all up in arms about team selections but we don't know the inner politics of the club. It's not as black and white as play these 11 players and you'll win every game, don't play this player and you'll win etc.
The consensus is that none of them are good, Rashford included, so I don't know what you are getting at. We are shit, in case you haven't noticed. Your sarcasm is not working at all.
We need to buy a whole new forward line. Of course, not something Woodward would do, but that's besides the point.
Our best attacker -- its' like saying the kid who scores 30/100 is better than the one who scores 20/100.
I know this isn’t your point, but it’s an interesting example of how much fans overestimate how good players should be - A 30/100 conversion rate would make him the best in the world (Assuming he was taking a decent number of shots)
It's a bit fecking rich to be honest, has there ever been a United manager that stands to lose even if he beats City at home? I doubt it. Andy Gray is just trying to keep his name relevant by writing extremism.
Because why would you sack a manager after a few months? It's fecking embarrassing to even suggest it. Have you ever been in a position of management in any capacity? Do you have any idea how hard it is to implement change in a couple of months?
If you think Pochettino or any other manager could do much more with this group of players you're vastly mistaken. It's also worth noting that Solskjær has only picked up less points that Liverpool and City since he was appointed. So this is just you reacting emotionally to a situation you don't know how to handle.
He can't be sacked now and won't be, I was just against rushing into the appointment, it was unneeded. The players are gash, I've already stated that. But I've no reason to believe Ole is the man to take the club forward, I don't see many positive signs. If the summer window goes badly, he's doomed.
He says everything a Utd fan wants to hear, but quite often the football side has left me scratching my head a bit.
It's very early days, but I wish I could feel a bit more hopeful about this situation.
He says everything a Utd fan wants to hear, but quite often the football side has left me scratching my head a bit.
It's very early days, but I wish I could feel a bit more hopeful about this situation.
Whatever happens he will deserve a full transfer window and season.
The players aren't good enough but should have had better results out of them in the last 9 games. But he also got more than he should have first 14(?).
We all have our doubts after the latest run, we'd be mad not to. He still deserves a window, full pre season and a season before he's written off.
At the end of the day he is the 4th manager. 3 others have failed before him. A lot of pressure should be on the players and board - the constants.
The players aren't good enough but should have had better results out of them in the last 9 games. But he also got more than he should have first 14(?).
We all have our doubts after the latest run, we'd be mad not to. He still deserves a window, full pre season and a season before he's written off.
At the end of the day he is the 4th manager. 3 others have failed before him. A lot of pressure should be on the players and board - the constants.
I agree with this. I just feel like the times being given to the wrong bloke basically. But we'll see, hopefully we buy and sell well for once.
Compare the City game to the whole Everton game. It's quite sad that despite being able to play with high intensity and teamwork the team went out against Everton with a lazy attitude expecting an easy game. There is no excuse for that sort of attitude and the sense of entitlement most of these players have.
It's also a poor reflection on the manager that he's able to motivate his troops for a big team while failing to do so against regular mid table opponents. Or the other explanation would be that despite the manager's efforts, the players don't feel like giving their 100% against a team like Everton.
Last night's efforts only made these players more unlikeable for me. Their lack of professionalism is unforgivable.
It's also a poor reflection on the manager that he's able to motivate his troops for a big team while failing to do so against regular mid table opponents. Or the other explanation would be that despite the manager's efforts, the players don't feel like giving their 100% against a team like Everton.
Last night's efforts only made these players more unlikeable for me. Their lack of professionalism is unforgivable.
Those 2 wins over the last 9 games weren't even deserved: Watford and Wham were better on the day.
Think Ole has been too ambitious and run the team in the ground. It's being barely mentioned though. Only the players are being blamed.
Does it make sense (1) to complain about the fitness levels of the team and (2) try to compete for top 4, the CL and the FA Cup? No.
Think Ole has been too ambitious and run the team in the ground. It's being barely mentioned though. Only the players are being blamed.
Does it make sense (1) to complain about the fitness levels of the team and (2) try to compete for top 4, the CL and the FA Cup? No.
Yeah but then you could also say we deserved to win vs Arsenal and Wolves so
That was an analogy about marks in an exam, not conversion rates.
Oh fair enough
His 3 years salary is equal to Jose's 1 years means it didn't bother woody that much I guess
Only hope is atleast Ole like pacey and hard working players so hope he will sign few good players and start the good base to build on whether he is there or not
Right now with players we have it's difficult for any manger to come in and have success.
Did we? To draw, maybe, but it's not like we hit the post 3 times and were unlucky to concede.
He tried, it only resulted in a dozen hamstring injuries. The way players were getting shattered in and around the Liverpool game was quite shocking.
Since then he has struggled regarding whether he should stick or twist. Stick with the high intensity system and risk even more injuries with a hectic schedule, or twist and be a bit more pragmatic and sacrifice a fair chunk of that intensity.
I don't blame him one bit for running the players into the ground from the start. Not really his problem that these jokers were undercooked by the previous zombies. Let's just hope he's allowed to get rid of the deadwood in the summer.
Of course no manager can get the best out of these players. But the problem is that we need a competent manager to draw up a plan of action, determine a style of play required to challenge PL and CL and slowly get in players who can do that.
By your logic, we might as well hire Warnock or Allardyce or Moyes since nobody is going to get the best out of these players anyway. No, the point is, the problem is compounded by a manager who is out of his depth.
Pochettino is someone we could trust to oversee a rebuild as he has a track record of building teams and a hunger to compete at the top level. Can we trust Ole based on 3 months of a new manager bounce to do the same?
This is how I see it too.
Not scoring for almost 5 hours is pretty damning. This many losses is pretty damning.
Really hoping Ole can turn it round
Really hoping Ole can turn it round
We can get all the right players, but if the bloke in charge of managing them isn't the required level, it's just another mess all over again.
The first task is to get rid of the deadwood. That is 6 years overdue. If we have the right players, we can always get a good manager in if Ole isn't performing well. Assume his pay-off won't be too much for our cheapskate owners to stall on since his salary isn't the top tier and there are bound to be additional clauses considering his inexperience.
Yeah but you would think he would go back to what was working in the first place. Whatever is the plan right now, it certainly is not working.
Be interesting to see if he selects Herrera. Ole has tried everything else and it's looked severely disjointed.
Ole is now doing what Jose was doing, employing different negative tactics each game with different players barring Herrera. Nothing is sticking. When he came in he knew his best 11 but now looks lost.
Ole is now doing what Jose was doing, employing different negative tactics each game with different players barring Herrera. Nothing is sticking. When he came in he knew his best 11 but now looks lost.
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