I want to abuse you so badly but then I shouldn't be doing that here.I never thought I would be tagged for something against Ole and even more pathetic that I'm tagged saying we should have kept Mou.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I want to abuse you so badly but then I shouldn't be doing that here.I never thought I would be tagged for something against Ole and even more pathetic that I'm tagged saying we should have kept Mou.
Joses' 17 Unbeaten Run:
| Competition | Club | Leg | Score | Result |
|---|---|---|---|---|
Premier League | Swansea City | A | 1:3 | Win |
Premier League | Arsenal FC | H | 1:1 | Draw |
Europa League | Feyenoord Rotterdam | H | 4:0 | Win |
Premier League | West Ham United | H | 1:1 | Draw |
EFL Cup | West Ham United | H | 4:1 | Win |
Premier League | Everton FC | A | 1:1 | Draw |
Europa League | Zorya Lugansk | A | 0:2 | Win |
Premier League | Tottenham Hotspur | H | 1:0 | Win |
Premier League | Crystal Palace | A | 1:2 | Win |
Premier League | West Bromwich Albion | A | 0:2 | Win |
Premier League | Sunderland AFC | H | 3:1 | Win |
Premier League | Middlesbrough FC | H | 2:1 | Win |
Premier League | West Ham United | A | 0:2 | Win |
FA Cup | Reading FC | H | 4:0 | Win |
EFL Cup | Hull City | H | 2:0 | Win |
Premier League | Liverpool FC | H | 1:1 | Draw |
Premier League | Stoke City | A | 1:1 | Draw |
Our Current 13 Unbeaten Run:
Competition | Club | Leg | Score | Result |
|---|---|---|---|---|
FA Cup | Tranmere Rovers | A | 0:6 | Win |
EFL Cup | Manchester City | A | 0:1 | Win |
Premier League | Wolverhampton Wanderers | H | 0:0 | Draw |
Premier League | Chelsea FC | A | 0:2 | Win |
Europa League | Club Brugge KV | A | 1:1 | Draw |
Premier League | Watford FC | H | 3:0 | Win |
Europa League | Club Brugge KV | H | 5:0 | Win |
Premier League | Everton FC | A | 1:1 | Draw |
FA Cup | Derby County | A | 0:3 | Win |
Premier League | Manchester City | H | 2:0 | Win |
Europa League | LASK | A | 0:5 | Win |
Premier League | Tottenham Hotspur | A | 1:1 | Draw |
Premier League | Sheffield United | H | 3:0 | Win |
It's only happened twice in 7 seasons. I'd say it's impressive.
Can you please tell me how many times I’ve been on this thread to criticise Ole? Go on, I’d like to know if you think I’m a regular criticiser of our manager. Have you been stalking everything I post?
All I said was after the Spurs game was that I wish he had brought on Pogba & Greenwood sooner. I believe we would have won the game if they were introduced earlier as both Fred & James were contributing nothing in the game and were needing subbed off. When those two came on, we looked a much better team.
I don’t tend to post on this thread nor any of the player performance threads. Does that mean, I have an agenda against the players because I’m not posting on their performance threads.
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That's because we've been shite.
But my main point lies in the rest of my post: it's all the other stuff that makes the current run so great.
Cheers!
We're currently on our 2nd longest unbeaten run since Sir Alex retired.
Our "shite defense" also has the highest number of clean sheets in any unbeaten run in that time, only conceding 3 goals.
Ole's run looks dominant than anyone, even more impressive when you consider the teams we played in this run in.
ManCity - home and away.
Wolves away
Chelsea away
Everton away
Spurs away
You can continue to think I'm out of order all you like mate. And maybe you feel unfairly singled out, I just went back and looked at the first few comments immediately after the Spurs game, and they were negative. Yours was one.
My issue is .. and it's not just this thread, it's player threads too (and you'll find me being negative about our players too, I'm not immune), threads grow way faster after bad results. I just find it ... a bit sad that people love to rush in here to bash Ole after a bad game. I wonder why they aren't here so quickly after a great performance?
Your comment there is fabulous. Why not come in so quick with that kind of positivity?
From a quick search .. you've called him out of his depth a few times, that he has to go now etc.
As I said above to the other poster, apologies if you feel singled out. I just went and looked at the posts immediately following the Spurs game, and they were negative. I wonder why people rush to post the negative ... why not rush back to post positive? It's an odd thing, in my opinion.
I've gone through and included Tottenham and Chelsea's runs from the same period and sorted it with highest games unbeaten. Whats impressive is the amount of clean sheets we've had during this run, it's the joint highest. I'm not planning on doing City or Liverpool as I imagine (City in particular) will fill this table up with far more rows. But I might throw in Arsenal.
| Club | Manager | Games Unbeaten | Start Date | End Date | GF | GA | Clean Sheets | Win % |
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| Chelsea | Jose | 23 | 04.05.2014 | 03.12.2014 | 53 | 16 | 10 | 74% |
| Chelsea | Jose | 18 | 27.01.2015 | 10.05.2015 | 25 | 12 | 8 | 61% |
| Chelsea | Sarri | 18 | 11.08.2018 | 11.11.2018 | 38 | 12 | 9 | 78% |
| Manchester Utd | Jose | 17 | 06.11.2016 | 21.01.2017 | 36 | 10 | 7 | 71% |
| Tottenham | Poch | 17 | 23.12.2017 | 03.03.2018 | 40 | 12 | 9 | 65% |
| Manchester Utd | Ole | 13 | 26.01.2020 | 24.06.2020 | 33 | 3 | 10 | 69% |
| Manchester Utd | Moyes | 12 | 02.10.2013 | 01.12.2013 | 25 | 10 | 8 | 58% |
| Manchester Utd | Jose | 12 | 16.03.2017 | 04.05.2017 | 17 | 5 | 7 | 58% |
| Manchester Utd | Jose | 12 | 13.08.2017 | 18.10.2017 | 33 | 4 | 9 | 83% |
| Chelsea | Jose | 12 | 23.12.2013 | 11.02.2014 | 19 | 3 | 9 | 75% |
| Chelsea | Hiddink | 12 | 19.12.2015 | 13.02.2016 | 27 | 11 | 5 | 50% |
| Chelsea | Conte | 12 | 08.01.2017 | 18.03.2017 | 28 | 7 | 5 | 83% |
| Chelsea | Conte | 12 | 12.12.2017 | 20.01.2018 | 20 | 5 | 8 | 50% |
| Manchester Utd | LVG | 11 | 08.11.2014 | 04.01.2015 | 20 | 6 | 5 | 73% |
| Manchester Utd | Ole | 11 | 22.12.2018 | 09.02.2019 | 28 | 7 | 5 | 91% |
| Tottenham | Poch | 11 | 14.12.2016 | 04.02.2017 | 28 | 8 | 6 | 82% |
| Tottenham | Poch | 11 | 27.08.2017 | 22.10.2017 | 24 | 6 | 6 | 73% |
| Manchester Utd | Jose | 10 | 29.01.2017 | 09.03.2017 | 20 | 5 | 6 | 70% |
| Tottenham | Poch | 10 | 19.02.2017 | 15.04.2017 | 33 | 6 | 6 | 90% |
| Chelsea | Conte | 10 | 30.10.2016 | 31.12.2016 | 23 | 4 | 7 | 100% |
Credit should be given where it is due.
There were alot of question marks on Ole, his tactics, substitutions, coaching.
He didn't give into fan pressure when we Sold Lukaku and made a very ballsy call to play Martial up top when he hasnt played there for 3/4 years. He played Rashford up top last season and it looked like that is how it is going.
He has managed Pogba brilliantly, always very complimentary of him, kept saying we build around Pogba.
Whatever anyone says about Rashford and Martial, he has improved them. Getting rid of Sanchez and Lukaku in favour of Martial and Rashford was a very huge call
Unfortunately, his faith in Lingard and Perreira never came off but still gave them enough of a chance.
He has given youth a chance, our spine is looking good in terms of potential and age. Maguire, Shaw, AWB, Pogba, Bruno, Rashford and Martial.
There were alot of question marks on Ole, his tactics, substitutions, coaching.
He didn't give into fan pressure when we Sold Lukaku and made a very ballsy call to play Martial up top when he hasnt played there for 3/4 years. He played Rashford up top last season and it looked like that is how it is going.
He has managed Pogba brilliantly, always very complimentary of him, kept saying we build around Pogba.
Whatever anyone says about Rashford and Martial, he has improved them. Getting rid of Sanchez and Lukaku in favour of Martial and Rashford was a very huge call
Unfortunately, his faith in Lingard and Perreira never came off but still gave them enough of a chance.
He has given youth a chance, our spine is looking good in terms of potential and age. Maguire, Shaw, AWB, Pogba, Bruno, Rashford and Martial.
I think your point is a fair one, that people aren't so quick to lavish praise, but are quick to criticise. I have definitely seen it myself in player threads too. From my side though, i have never been unwilling to praise Ole when i have seen the positives. Yesterday i was actually busy with washing the food shopping after the match, so never had a chance to give my thoughts to everyone. I quickly praised Martial and that was it. Rest assured i was very happy with Ole though. It was the best performance i have seen under him so far, hands down.
Awesome effort @RedSky, really appreciate it.
Our record looks so much better when you add other teams.
Found the one occasion I called for him to be sacked. After the Burnley defeat.
Has anyone genuinely gone through this season without a wobble of faith?
I would imagine anyone who pledged to give him the entire season. The only thing that would cause us to waver is if he plunged us down the table and the threat of relegation. If he survived the end of last season, then it's clear that the board would give him a full season and evaluate at the end of it. Judging him by each match is just silly.
Squeeky clean post history. Very impressed.
I haven't wavered since his appointment as caretaker. I even wanted him to take over from moyes in Dec 2013 after our shite performance against spurs.
There's been some good spells under Ole and this is recent one I think has been impressive, however it needs to extend itself for more PL matches.
United's away record this year has been average at best and has contributed to their battle in the effort of moving up the table. United are 9th in the away matches table in the PL. Meanwhile, United are currently 3rd in the home matches table in the PL.
Regardless, Ole and staff have done a very good job, considering the characters and talents they inherited last year and the growing pains from early this season. It was only a matter of time before the squad improved together and got better individually and as a team, which is a tremendous reflection on Ole and staff.
Need to continue to support Ole and staff for the near-term future and continue to identify, recruit, and sign the correct characters and talent that will continue to improve the senior squad whether it be depth signings or bona fide starting XI players.
United's away record this year has been average at best and has contributed to their battle in the effort of moving up the table. United are 9th in the away matches table in the PL. Meanwhile, United are currently 3rd in the home matches table in the PL.
Regardless, Ole and staff have done a very good job, considering the characters and talents they inherited last year and the growing pains from early this season. It was only a matter of time before the squad improved together and got better individually and as a team, which is a tremendous reflection on Ole and staff.
Need to continue to support Ole and staff for the near-term future and continue to identify, recruit, and sign the correct characters and talent that will continue to improve the senior squad whether it be depth signings or bona fide starting XI players.
I applaud you @mu4c_20le and @RedTiger!
I really lost faith after two bad games vs Burnley and Wolves. Very impressed with our current form. Equally good to see us kind of pick up where we left off. I thought we were a lot better than Spurs as well, classic Mourinho wall notwithstanding. Ole has weathered a very bad storm, which is commendable on it’s own. Not even the greatest manager of our time Poch managed that.
I really lost faith after two bad games vs Burnley and Wolves. Very impressed with our current form. Equally good to see us kind of pick up where we left off. I thought we were a lot better than Spurs as well, classic Mourinho wall notwithstanding. Ole has weathered a very bad storm, which is commendable on it’s own. Not even the greatest manager of our time Poch managed that.
I have issues with him when he doesn't get it right. To me he is too rigid in some games in his set up. Sometimes we need to play an extra midfield player instead of playing three up front, especially James. Against Spurs it was a mistake to play with James and to keep him so long. I do not have an issue in not starting Pogba, because he was coming back from a very long injury.
When we play Pogba and Bruno, we need to play Matic and if it is against a strong team then we need to play Fred too and play Martial and Rashford up front.
When we play Pogba and Bruno, we need to play Matic and if it is against a strong team then we need to play Fred too and play Martial and Rashford up front.
Fair enough. You know what, I shouldn't have named names. Douche move on my part. Apologies.
Sure yesterday I was in a martial thread saying he wasn't good /consistent enough to be our number 9
I definitely had an occasion where I said enough was enough. Might also have been the Burnley game. I'll have a look tomorrow when On laptop.
Ole wasn´t ready to take over United in 2013, and some would argue he wasn´t ready one year ago either. But I think he´s growing into it, and I take notice of what Matic and Fred are saying; that he´s a much better manager now than he was when he arrived.
Never. Not once. And I was present all the way through the season and didn't hide when things got difficult either.
Me too.
Very happy with ole's performance so far, he is doing better than those who preceded him by creating winning culture, hard work , unity and playing attacking football. in addition, his recruitment are almost perfect, one more window and i believe, we will be challengers.
While I have never been Ole out, the early-season performances and results where we won something like 2/9 games pushed me right to the edge, and left me wondering whether I still wanted him in only because of what he did as a player.
However, after a rocky period starting from the away win at Norwich and ending at the horrendous 2-2 home draw with Villa, he has truly transformed our fortunes. From the 2-1 win against Spurs where they had no good chances to this unbeaten run which I expect to go on to the end of the season (as United fans we should always expect to win cups like the FA Cup and Europa League), I have seen nothing but progress. There have been a few poor performances such as against Watford, Arsenal and Burnley, but the many good performances with attacking football sandwiching those games do make you stand up and take notice. Since Bruno arrived and took Lingard/Pereira’s place as the creative hub, our style of play and results have just got even better.
And that brings me on to my next point. When comparing league positions after taking into account the average starting 11’s of every team this season and our terrible luck with injuries (Pogba, Marcus and Martial have all been out for lengthy spells), only Klopp, Rodgers, Nuno, Wilder and Dyche has outperformed Ole throughout the season, and only Klopp and Dyche from January onwards. Ole has genuinely turned the tide after it looked as if the waves were swallowing him whole.
To end off, I firmly believe that if we back him with £115m (Dortmund’s asking price) for Sancho and at least £50m for a world class #6, we will come 3rd next year and challenge for the title, if not win it in 2021-22.
However, after a rocky period starting from the away win at Norwich and ending at the horrendous 2-2 home draw with Villa, he has truly transformed our fortunes. From the 2-1 win against Spurs where they had no good chances to this unbeaten run which I expect to go on to the end of the season (as United fans we should always expect to win cups like the FA Cup and Europa League), I have seen nothing but progress. There have been a few poor performances such as against Watford, Arsenal and Burnley, but the many good performances with attacking football sandwiching those games do make you stand up and take notice. Since Bruno arrived and took Lingard/Pereira’s place as the creative hub, our style of play and results have just got even better.
And that brings me on to my next point. When comparing league positions after taking into account the average starting 11’s of every team this season and our terrible luck with injuries (Pogba, Marcus and Martial have all been out for lengthy spells), only Klopp, Rodgers, Nuno, Wilder and Dyche has outperformed Ole throughout the season, and only Klopp and Dyche from January onwards. Ole has genuinely turned the tide after it looked as if the waves were swallowing him whole.
To end off, I firmly believe that if we back him with £115m (Dortmund’s asking price) for Sancho and at least £50m for a world class #6, we will come 3rd next year and challenge for the title, if not win it in 2021-22.
Hope that today acts as a spark to push the boys for next season.
Today will burn Ole and I hope the whole squad feel the same way too.
Today will burn Ole and I hope the whole squad feel the same way too.
Get a CL place and we could increase our chances of Pogba staying and Sancho joining. Two potentially big steps for the progress of our rebuild entering next season. It's looking like 5th will be a CL spot this year so we're on pace
The below shows all of the top 6 clubs unbeaten runs (all comps) since Sir Alex retired. There were 45 runs of 10+ so i've trimmed the table down to 13 and higher.
Whats impressive with our current run is the defensive record, it's one of the best in that table. But our attacking isn't too bad either averaging 2.5 goals per game. That's the 7th highest total. This pretty much ends the debate that our defense isn't very good imo. It's actually superb.
Club | Manager | Games Unbeaten | Start Date | End Date | Goals For | Goals Against | Clean Sheets | Win % |
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City | Guardiola | 28 | 27.04.2017 | 03.12.2017 | 78 | 18 | 14 | 86% |
Chelsea | Jose | 23 | 04.05.2014 | 03.12.2014 | 53 | 16 | 10 | 74% |
Arsenal | Emery | 22 | 25.08.2018 | 13.12.2018 | 50 | 19 | 8 | 77% |
City | Pellegrini | 20 | 30.10.2013 | 29.01.2014 | 69 | 22 | 7 | 90% |
Liverpool | Klopp | 19 | 12.01.2019 | 26.04.2019 | 44 | 12 | 10 | 74% |
Arsenal | Wenger | 19 | 20.08.2016 | 27.11.2016 | 45 | 14 | 8 | 68% |
Liverpool | Klopp | 19 | 22.09.2019 | 14.12.2019 | 44 | 18 | 5 | 84% |
Chelsea | Sarri | 18 | 11.08.2018 | 11.11.2018 | 38 | 12 | 9 | 78% |
Chelsea | Jose | 18 | 27.01.2015 | 10.05.2015 | 25 | 12 | 8 | 61% |
Liverpool | Klopp | 18 | 28.10.2017 | 14.01.2018 | 55 | 16 | 8 | 72% |
Tottenham | Poch | 17 | 23.12.2017 | 03.03.2018 | 40 | 12 | 9 | 65% |
Manchester Utd | Jose | 17 | 06.11.2016 | 21.01.2017 | 36 | 10 | 7 | 71% |
City | Guardiola | 16 | 22.09.2018 | 04.12.2018 | 49 | 7 | 10 | 88% |
Liverpool | Klopp | 15 | 23.08.2016 | 29.11.2016 | 40 | 10 | 6 | 80% |
Liverpool | Klopp | 14 | 18.12.2019 | 15.02.2020 | 26 | 4 | 11 | 93% |
City | Guardiola | 14 | 03.02.2019 | 06.04.2019 | 38 | 7 | 9 | 93% |
Arsenal | Wenger | 14 | 12.04.2014 | 13.09.2014 | 27 | 10 | 7 | 64% |
City | Pellegrini | 14 | 08.11.2014 | 10.01.2015 | 32 | 13 | 5 | 79% |
Manchester Utd | Ole | 13 | 26.01.2020 | 24.06.2020 | 33 | 3 | 10 | 69% |
City | Guardiola | 13 | 14.04.2019 | 31.08.2019 | 37 | 9 | 7 | 85% |
City | Pellegrini/Guardiola | 13 | 08.05.2016 | 28.09.2016 | 36 | 12 | 4 | 77% |
Whats impressive with our current run is the defensive record, it's one of the best in that table. But our attacking isn't too bad either averaging 2.5 goals per game. That's the 7th highest total. This pretty much ends the debate that our defense isn't very good imo. It's actually superb.
I think there were 29% of us in the poll that consistently backed him for the job, when everyone else was voting for immediate sacking or end of season replacing.
Just a shame some sad bugger didn't think to take a screenshot at the time.
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Marvellous work. Shun the non-believers!Just a shame some sad bugger didn't think to take a screenshot at the time.
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Marvellous work. Shun the non-believers!
Be interesting to see how many on that list are not United fans as i'm sure at the time there were those saying only idiots and rival fans would vote to keep a Manager who was so obviously out of his depth.
13th row, 4th from the leftJust a shame some sad bugger didn't think to take a screenshot at the time.
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Just a shame some sad bugger didn't think to take a screenshot at the time.
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I had been a lurker on here for many years and finally in Jan this year I had to use the contact form to ask Niall if he could help me set up an account (since normal registration was/is closed).
With the main motivation of voting in that poll and generally providing some pushback to the staunch Ole-out brigade. (So you'll see my name as the last one in the vote there)
Of course I had to try and mask this as I didn't want to be seen as a 1-issue candidate.
Happy that with the recent form I can now (slowly) contribute to other topics on here as well.
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If United win the League with Ole in charge those 384 believers will be invited to a function at Old Trafford to celebrate, no expense spared.
And your dance partner for the evening will be the person to your right on the list
mancave bear get your feet insured!
SAF took close to 6 years to start contesting for titles. Jurgen Klopp took 4 years to build the squad title. Ole is now building squad and needs time with a proper personal. We are surely in right direction with right way to play. We are just short of few positions to be consistent.
I had been a lurker on here for many years and finally in Jan this year I had to use the contact form to ask Niall if he could help me set up an account (since normal registration was/is closed).
With the main motivation of voting in that poll and generally providing some pushback to the staunch Ole-out brigade. (So you'll see my name as the last one in the vote there)
Of course I had to try and mask this as I didn't want to be seen as a 1-issue candidate.
Happy that with the recent form I can now (slowly) contribute to other topics on here as well.
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