Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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vanderpants said:
Ole will still be here in August, he will be given funds in the summer. Just another wasted year and cash when we could have employed a much more experienced coach (poch)
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I don't think even our board is that stupid. Ole's fan support is at an all time low and gets cumulatively worse each month. Spending 60m on Bruno and seeing no improvement will further give the board cause for concern on whether they are sinking money and whether they should stop.

By May only the most hardcore fans would be willing to bat for him. I'm looking at the long term and predicting on the current trajectory he doesn't have a shot at being here in august without fluking a cup win
 
M16Red said:
But you can have an opinion? You can't just say sack him.. why? It's really simple how would you break down a low low block with these players.

Like City or Liverpool do, because they both play different styles.

UTD 1995 (one - two's and three), 1998/99 (two CF), 2009 (front three)
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Knowing how to break down a low block at the premier league, being a difficult thing to do, is just one thing. Managers are paid what they are because they can implement their change.

Literally anyone knows what we need. We all know we want attacking footy high press etc etc but were not managers because we cant implement it.

Ole is nothing but a fan at this point. Us fans dont have the answer just like ole doesnt.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Ole has practically ran them into the ground this season. So the absolute cheek of the guy to stand there and start complaining is bloody something. :lol:
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i said before the season for us to have any chance of being a top 4 side we needed to sack the cup competitions and rotate to stay fit with a thin squad. Ole of course did none of that.
 
joedirt87 said:
i said before the season for us to have any chance of being a top 4 side we needed to sack the cup competitions and rotate to stay fit with a thin squad. Ole of course did none of that.
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That would have been stupid. Should try to win something rather than having a loser mentality like that.
 
SCJY said:
Ole should never have gotten the job in the first place, at least not when it was given to him. It was said that the board were going to wait until the end of the season before deciding, but once it was given to him, we suffered the most monumental of collapses that saw us miss out on top-4 even though the door was left open for us countless times.

We are seeing the exact same thing this season. Ole is terribly, ridiculously out of his depth and he needs to go.

This is our worst Premier League start ever and we are currently on course to finish the season with 53 points, the last 3 seasons that would have been enough for us to finish 9th, 8th and 8th, which would make this our worst premier league finish ever.

I know a rebuild can sometimes means knocking something down to it's bare foundations, but there is no blueprint or plan for what is to be built. It's like Ole, with a hope and prayer just wishes St. Petersburg Cathedral suddenly just springs up out of nowhere and shocks everybody, but I'll tell you now, it's not happening. Not when the coaching staff can't even drill the players well enough to open up a team for a few attempts on goal after 5 attempts like we've seen against Wolves. We are getting schooled by Wolves. Wolves are our bogey team. Just let that sink in for a moment. Fecking Wolves. Look, any team can beat any other team on their day, I understand, it happens. But we didn't look to be able to break them down at all yesterday and then Ole comes out and says some bullshit about them being difficult to break down. Well, Wolves have only kept 2 cleansheets in their last 12 games and BOTH of them were against US!

I was an "Ole-inner" for the longest time, but the signing of Bruno, ironically is what broke the camel's back for me. I don't want to see another fantastic player being grossly mis-managed by a team of the worst coaches in the premier league. It's frankly disgusting.

Ole is a bare-faced liar and for people to continue lapping up his bullshit is frankly flabbergasting. I don't care if Ole is a legend of the club as a player. It doesn't give him the right to stay in the management position when he's clearly woefully out of his depth. He needs to get out now, my patience with him has been whittled down to nothing.
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I can remember some posters on here already thinking he's not the man for the job on the back of that collapse. Fast forward 9 months later and we're still hearing the same excuses, that he needs more and more players and our football is somehow getting worse. None of our players even attempt to go past their man, it's literally the worst football I've seen out of our past four managers and the standard is pretty dam low and you could give the man a dozen more chances at top four and he'll miss out.
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
That would have been stupid. Should try to win something rather than having a loser mentality like that.
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I disagree with him but we've hardly currently got a winners mentality,have we.
Did you read/hear Ole's comments after the match ?
Hardly Mr Ambitious.
 
Feed Me said:
I went to the game yesterday, for the first time this season. Shocked at how poor the side looked in the flesh. No pace, no movement, no creativity. We could have played another 90 minutes without scoring. We are going nowhere under Solskjaer and I cannot believe anyone watches this crap and backs him.
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Well said.
 
FrankDrebin said:
I disagree with him but we've hardly currently got a winners mentality,have we.
Did you read/hear Ole's comments after the match ?
Hardly Mr Ambitious.
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Agree with that.
We fight though, but that is it really.
Avoid defeat mentality rather than win mentality.

I can't listen to Ole anymore though. Back under SAF I used to listen to him every week.
Although it has been harder and harder since then. Everyone seem to talk crap mostly. Mourinho when things go alright can be fun to listen too. Although when he starts attack everyone and talk shit it hurts and you just want to fire him.
LVG was horrible apart from the odd fun moments. Horny comment and other things like that. Moyes was probably less bad than what people remember compared to the guys after him. Just that people compared him to SAF so he looked liked crap.
 
beer&grill said:
As bad as Martial is or isn’t, he’s still a way better striker than Ole is a manager, so you are happy to upgrade on him and presumably other players, but somehow you think we shouldn’t upgrade on the manager?:confused:
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I'm just making the point that the players on the pitch matter. Is the current squad that is not injured good enough for a top4 finish with consistently great performances? If the answer is no then you really need the players to do it, don't you? No amount of training and "managing" is going to make Pereira not lose the ball in dangerous situations, that is on the player.
 
We have won the same amount of games (9) this season as Southampton and Burnley. Let that sink in.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
Both of whom have better managers than ours, too.
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That could be said of every single Premier League team, and most Championship teams too though. He’s down there with the absolute worst in the top 2 tiers. Not sure many League One teams would even take him tbh.
 
AC1689 said:
That could be said of every single Premier League team, and most Championship teams too though. He’s down there with the absolute worst in the top 2 tiers. Not sure many League One teams would even take him tbh.
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I know. I would actually put him around mid-tier Championship, gun to head. This will go down as one of the most bizarre, unnecessary experiments ever in football history when we look back on it.
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
That would have been stupid. Should try to win something rather than having a loser mentality like that.
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ultimately his job is going to be measured by his success in the league. Did winning the FA Cup save van Gaal? You rotate and give your youth a chance, and if you make it deeper and don't have a congested fixture period then you can play a strong side further down the competition.
 
Eriku said:
then I wonder why they don’t apply the same standard to Poch, who did worse this season with a squad that somehow was good enough to reach a CL final.
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I think this is were a lot of people confuse the issue with Poch. Before it went tits up for him would you have been interested in having Poch as our manager? I know I would. The reason I still want Poch to come in is because I don't believe he suddenly became a bad manager but more to do with circumstances which were created by Levy which ended up in the dressing room being lost. I honestly couldn't think of anyone better to come in and start fixing the mess the last 4 managers have created but that's just my own personal opinion.
 
joedirt87 said:
ultimately his job is going to be measured by his success in the league. Did winning the FA Cup save van Gaal? You rotate and give your youth a chance, and if you make it deeper and don't have a congested fixture period then you can play a strong side further down the competition.
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That is the biggest problem here though. Our owners only care about the money and not actually getting titles and wins.
Top 4 to get CL money is what they want. Although they are trying to do that while spending as little as they can and they are not even doing that well.
Our managers though actually tries to win things though. I give them credit for that even though they have all been poor overall .
Our fans start to get the same ideas as our owners though which is sad.

Think our players wants to win too even if some might mainly care about the cash. Although I see the effort in most of them to be honest when they play apart from Martial. Maybe not the same effort in training though.
 
Judas said:
How come top managers wouldn't do anything with these players, yet you see worse teams in the PL playing far better than us? I can't believe people are STILL pretending its all on the players.

Why do managers even exist, they're clearly not important according to some of you.
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Half more than half the players are far from top quality. Its a miracle that the team is not below 8-10 place.
 
joedirt87 said:
i said before the season for us to have any chance of being a top 4 side we needed to sack the cup competitions and rotate to stay fit with a thin squad. Ole of course did none of that.
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So you think loosing the cup games would have made things better?
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
That is the biggest problem here though. Our owners only care about the money and not actually getting titles and wins.
Top 4 to get CL money is what they want. Although they are trying to do that while spending as little as they can and they are not even doing that well.
Our managers though actually tries to win things though. I give them credit for that even though they have all been poor overall .
Our fans start to get the same ideas as our owners though which is sad.

Think our players wants to win too even if some might mainly care about the cash. Although I see the effort in most of them to be honest when they play apart from Martial. Maybe not the same effort in training though.
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You want to win every game, but you have to be smart and manage your squad. You can't play the same 11 for 90 minutes every game. You give yourself less chances of winning if you are missing key players because they got ran into the ground. Does Klopp have a losing mentality because of the lineup he played against Shrewsbury in the FA Cup? No, he saw it as a good opportunity to rest players. If they lose that game so what, no one is gonna give a shit at the end of the season when they have walked the league to a title.
 
dove said:
So you are basically saying that manager's position is redundant in football as it's all on players to win games and managers mean feck all. Did you always think like that or only now because Ole is our manager?
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Both players and managers need to work together. Our squad has been a mess almost since Glazer took over, SAF had the worst excuses no value in the market, to protect the owners.
I’m just tired of all those average players at the club, even average players under SAF have still contracts here. I’m glad we finally are trying to sell them all. Pep or Klopp would not be still here if they wouldn’t have backed to sell all deadwood and get a whole team by their players.

Ole or next manager needs 3-4 years to rebuild just like Klopp and Pep did.
 
Anustart89 said:
How many more players do you think we need?

How long would it take to get that amount of players? How many of the players, currently good enough for the level we aspire to be at, do you think will be here in the x amount of years that it will take to sign those players that we need now?
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Pogba, De Gea, Maguire, Bruno, Rashford are the only good enough if we want to be top team again. How long will it take? Probably many years if Ed can only get one quality player in each window.

Klopp and Pep sold all the players and got new instead in few years. We still have few players since SAF deadwood. It really says much about our club.
 
Dve said:
So you think loosing the cup games would have made things better?
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It probably would have. We could have done without 2 legs against City. You're pretty much forced into playing full strength sides in those games. Two tough matches against Wolves in the 3rd round havent helped us in January

It's just one of those things. Managers get no credit for going deep in cup competitions if they dont win them, but they almost always get a lot of criticism for going out.

What can you do? You've got to try and win everything you're in but sometimes, certainly in our case this season, it would have likely been a benefit ultimately if we'd have been knocked out early
 
joedirt87 said:
You want to win every game, but you have to be smart and manage your squad. You can't play the same 11 for 90 minutes every game. You give yourself less chances of winning if you are missing key players because they got ran into the ground. Does Klopp have a losing mentality because of the lineup he played against Shrewsbury in the FA Cup? No, he saw it as a good opportunity to rest players. If they lose that game so what, no one is gonna give a shit at the end of the season when they have walked the league to a title.
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Liverpool is a pretty poor example given how little they rotate. Although they probably got superior fitness to us.
City rotates a lot and well in a way that give them the best chance in all competitions. SAF did it well too although it cost us at times by him rotating too much.

We got so few options which makes it hard to rotate a lot. Think Ole has tried to rotate, but the injuries messed things up. Certainly he is to be blamed for the Pogba and Rashford situation. Against Tranmere and Colchester he could have rotated more though, but goals and wins can give you confidence. Maguire didn't need to play those games, but he doesn't look tired at all. Playing him against Norwich was stupid too after the knock he had.

You can blame Ole for a lot, but not for the rotation in my view apart from not resting players with injury doubts more.
 
TsuWave said:
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He has to go - that's ludicrous.

Ole Out Thread needs to exist. If it'd be allowed?

Shamana said:
Shocking tbh. Where does this notion come from that only Ole can take us forward?
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Friends in media (as with Moyes...), and many oppo WUMs pretending to be Utd fans online - dedicating a lot of time to their new hobby of debating Ole in as Utd fans.
 
Asger said:
Both players and managers need to work together. Our squad has been a mess almost since Glazer took over, SAF had the worst excuses no value in the market, to protect the owners.
I’m just tired of all those average players at the club, even average players under SAF have still contracts here. I’m glad we finally are trying to sell them all. Pep or Klopp would not be still here if they wouldn’t have backed to sell all deadwood and get a whole team by their players.

Ole or next manager needs 3-4 years to rebuild just like Klopp and Pep did.
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If Ole gets another season he needs to make a significant improvement.

Liverpool were 10th when Klopp took over, they finished 8th. The next year they finished 4th. Guardiola in year 1 at City finished 3rd and 12 points better then what Pelligrini did the year before. The next year they dominated with a 100 point season. People want to give Ole another season, whatever. Just show improvement. If he survives this year and gets another summer window were looking at 7-8 signings for him over the course of two years. that's the majority of a starting 11 that will have been molded by Ole.
 
Asger said:
Both players and managers need to work together. Our squad has been a mess almost since Glazer took over, SAF had the worst excuses no value in the market, to protect the owners.
I’m just tired of all those average players at the club, even average players under SAF have still contracts here. I’m glad we finally are trying to sell them all. Pep or Klopp would not be still here if they wouldn’t have backed to sell all deadwood and get a whole team by their players.

Ole or next manager needs 3-4 years to rebuild just like Klopp and Pep did.
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Pep didn't need 4 years but anyway I fully realise it cannot be done in 1 year. However it's quite shocking to me how can people think Ole is the right man to do it. He has shown absolutely nothing to suggest he is up to this job, why does he deserve to get 3-4 years? I firmly believe a manager should show something in order to get the time and money. You can't just be like "Relax guys, it's normal that we are dogshite for 3 years but I promise you that in 4th season we will be good.". How can you give time to someone like that?
 
Asger said:
We will never know.
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No we know. A manager who hasn't done anything at top level for 10 years and couldn't manage anything post Norway isn't going to turn world beater once you buy him some players. He's an unknown quantity, nor a manager just starting his career. We're just wasting our time with this experiment.
 
This squad is getting worse and worse by the week by some on here.

It's unbelievable how we're still in the Premier League really.
 
BusbyMalone said:
This squad is getting worse and worse by the week by some on here.

It's unbelievable how we're still in the Premier League really.
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You get the we have been relegated since November.

In the end it s the same people regurgitating the same shit over and over.
 
Asger said:
Pogba, De Gea, Maguire, Bruno, Rashford are the only good enough if we want to be top team again. How long will it take? Probably many years if Ed can only get one quality player in each window.

Klopp and Pep sold all the players and got new instead in few years. We still have few players since SAF deadwood. It really says much about our club.
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How long did it take Klopp to produce excellent attacking football? First full season. Same with Rodgers. Ole is bang average and some just can't see it
 
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