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Old Trafford revamp/could be torn down and rebuilt according to Glazer plans
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Yes that's exactly what I'm saying and in no way just you looking to start shit.
I'm big enough to admit it if I get it wrong
The thought of knocking Old Trafford down absolutely breaks my heart. If they did that a part of the club would die.
Easy solution for that. Just clone Martinez 80,000 times and we won't need a full sized stadium. We could probably build it out of Lego.
If we have to move next door and OT unfortunately gets demolished, we should absolutely build a 15,000 seater Academy / Women's stadium on the same footprint as OT, with the centre circle in the same, identical place.
It would still be Old Trafford 'The Theatre of Dreams', and we could fill it with iconic images of the Busby Babes, Class of 92, etc. Maybe build a 'history of OT' exhibition in one of the stands which can be accessed by the public during the day.
Ideally the preference is to remain at OT, but unfortunately time waits for no one.
It would still be Old Trafford 'The Theatre of Dreams', and we could fill it with iconic images of the Busby Babes, Class of 92, etc. Maybe build a 'history of OT' exhibition in one of the stands which can be accessed by the public during the day.
Ideally the preference is to remain at OT, but unfortunately time waits for no one.
Honestly we wouldn't have to share City's stadium.
It's absolutely feasible to build a temporary ground somewhere near OT to fit our needs for a few years until the new stadium is built.
Phasing the stadium as a rebuild would make too much of a knock to our capacity. You'd have to knock the SAF stand down first, which is around 25k on it's own, then build over the canal.
There's literally nothing that can be done with the current location and orientation that wouldn't just be easier to rectify with a new ground instead.
A temporary stadium that meets our needs somewhere near OT, what planet are you on?
Who the feck would build a 70K + temporary stadium 'cos that's what would be needed to meet our needs
Again. A very fair point although I am not at all convinced about building a temporary ground to fit United needs.
That would need to have a pretty big capacity and would not be cheap with all the necessary safety features. While at the same time spending a huge amount of money on the new stadium.
I would doubt that building 2 stadium would be cheaper than renting the Etihad and just building a super new ground.
But time will tell eh.
City rent the Etihad for about 4-5 million a year, building a temp stadium would cost 100x that
A temp stadium is the most ludicrous idea ever. Not worth a discussion as it's that ridiculous
I ve been to Ref Sox stadium and would like know what was upgraded. Maybe stair access but it defo feels like a 1980s stadium. So uncomfortable. And the concessions are crappy etc.
Why did they decide not to tear down the seating? Heritage?
I've mentioned it before, although it has had very slight renovations, Lambeau field of the Green Bay Packers is pretty much the way it's always been and is seen as a historic landmark.
They still sit on bleachers.
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The green Monster seats, concessions have been upgraded, it's minor stuff in reality, the capacity would be too small, it's like 34K now, to increase legroom etc + the fanbase really don't want it done
If we do have new Qatari overlords, maybe we can borrow Stadium 974 for a couple of years?
Wouldn't suit our needs, way too small
Not that much smaller than trying to share with Shitty
Maybe but by the time we'd use it the capacity will have been increased to over 60K if the plans are carried out
Building a temporary stadium
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Sure, some better access to facilities in some spots. But the ballpark is not wow. OT is dated but not terrible.
Would building a 95,000 or so stadium with all amenities for 2b be worth it? Don’t think so.
But easy for me to say going once every few years. I could sit on a wooden bench and don’t care.
In the long run it might be with the right design
Yes exactly. And all for nothing really.
Yes I have but it was not a conscious decision by the people of Coventry to tear down the Cathedral and build a new one, as far as I am a aware the Luftwaffe took that decision away in 1940 by completely flattening half of Coventry including the Cathedral.
If renovation becomes the equivalent of Triggers broom having 17 new heads and 14 new handles then what's the point if the only thing preventing a new stadium is sentimentality?
You missed the white test then!! I was joking
It remains that we have to accept lower capacity for 1-2 years if OT is to be upgraded at the same spot.
I’d like a stadium with at least 100k capacity.
Might not fill it all the time but imagine the big games, it would be incredible.
If we want to the biggest and best team in the world we need the biggest and best stadium
Might not fill it all the time but imagine the big games, it would be incredible.
If we want to the biggest and best team in the world we need the biggest and best stadium
What's a realistic capacity that would sell out for most league games?
Maybe 90,000. I guess it depends on if price is reduced.
I think a standing terrace of 25,000 like Dortmund would be amazing.
Yeah I think it would be better for them if they had their own place. If you reduced OT to the first tiers there's around 30K seats left which is an ideal size for the women's game, It will be much better playing in a stadium which is 80% full and playing in something which is 50% full weekly.
I have always doubted the demand for tickets but it's hit a different level with ETH, I think we can easily hit 90K with the way things are going.
If we're competing for the PL and CL, then 90,000 is probably realistic.
I think in the UK and Ireland there's at least 5 million United fans.
I know there's other factors like cost of living and I think flight prices will begin to rise soon to combat climate change.
Seeing people call for the increase in capacity, I remember reading an article before talking about some stadiums opting to decrease capacity as part of their renovations. Partially for increased comfort in terms of space, partially to increase the amount of revenue generating services/activities the matchgoers are exposed to.
In other words in terms of generating more money from the stadium don't be surprised if the approach is to try and take more from the fans who attend now rather than to increase the amount of fans who can attend.
In other words in terms of generating more money from the stadium don't be surprised if the approach is to try and take more from the fans who attend now rather than to increase the amount of fans who can attend.
Did anyone go to a match in Qatar, how were their stadiums?
I wonder how many of the people saying Old Trafford should be rebuilt or United should relocate, have actually been to Old Trafford, and how many on a regular basis?
Old Trafford IS Manchester United. It's our home, our fortress, our Mecca.
Relocation isn't an option imho, it's called United Way for a reason! Knocking it down and rebuilding? Can't see the point tbh, and where would United play in the meantime?
Renovating is the only answer imho. To be fair, renovating could mean rebuilding for large parts of the stadium, and if done properly, the impact to finances and attendance could be minimal.
I dunno, I guess I'm just a romantic. Arsenal and Spurs and City and soon Everton have all upgraded and moved location, but aside from the Emirates, I'm not sure if it's been a positive move. I think relocation just causes issues and it takes a long time for a new stadium to become 'hone' as well as the history lost with the stadium you leave behind.
Highbury was always a classic stadium to go to, the fans almost on the pitch, but credit to Arsenal, The Emirates seems to have been a positive move. The others, I'm not so sure. City can't fill their ground despite all the money spent and the trophies won, even when they do, the atmosphere is nothing like it was at Maine Road. Spurs new ground gets a better attendance for sure, but I think it's lost the allure and atmosphere that White Hart Lane had. I guess we will have to wait and see with Everton.
Old Trafford IS Manchester United. It's our home, our fortress, our Mecca.
Relocation isn't an option imho, it's called United Way for a reason! Knocking it down and rebuilding? Can't see the point tbh, and where would United play in the meantime?
Renovating is the only answer imho. To be fair, renovating could mean rebuilding for large parts of the stadium, and if done properly, the impact to finances and attendance could be minimal.
I dunno, I guess I'm just a romantic. Arsenal and Spurs and City and soon Everton have all upgraded and moved location, but aside from the Emirates, I'm not sure if it's been a positive move. I think relocation just causes issues and it takes a long time for a new stadium to become 'hone' as well as the history lost with the stadium you leave behind.
Highbury was always a classic stadium to go to, the fans almost on the pitch, but credit to Arsenal, The Emirates seems to have been a positive move. The others, I'm not so sure. City can't fill their ground despite all the money spent and the trophies won, even when they do, the atmosphere is nothing like it was at Maine Road. Spurs new ground gets a better attendance for sure, but I think it's lost the allure and atmosphere that White Hart Lane had. I guess we will have to wait and see with Everton.
That wouldn't be economical. All of it needs work. But if the season ticket holders like yourself are happy to pay for it out of pocket, I think it could be an option.
Apparently a stadium can be built right next to the current stadium, so no loss of revenue or relocation necessary.
I'm between two minds about it really.
I guess we are planning for the next century, and with that in mind we're better off with a brand new stadium rather than renovation.
Basically the Spurs stadium with a capacity of 80,000+ would be perfect.
Real Madrid and Barcelona are renovating their stadiums but I don't think they have the choice of building right next to their current stadium.
Building a temporary stadium
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Did you miss that West Ham's stadium was temporary until West Ham decided they wanted to be tenants? The original 2012 OIympic ground was designed to be dismantled.
Did you miss all of the other temporary grounds that have been built over the years? Stadium 974 at the World Cup just a few months ago doesn't exist anymore because it was temporary and built to be dismantled and that was 40000 plus.
Did you miss any number of teams that have built temporary grounds to play in whilst their ground was refurbished or a new one was built?
Only idiots who have no clue about stadium building would laugh about it. So I guess you must be an idiot.
I went to every home game in 2012/13.
I've been probably 100 times overall.
I get it, it's home, but homes don't last forever.
We have to move with the times. Spurs managed to built New White Hart Lane right next to Old White Hart Lane, it can be done, we don't move, we still play at Old Trafford, on United way, the history of the ground is still there and can be paid tribute to by the new one.
As I've said before, people like yourself would have us still playing at Bank Street or North Road and Old Trafford would never even exist. The attachment, the memories, etc don't go, they live on because you let them live on. I'm sure for a few years after the move in 1910, Old Trafford felt like a flat atmosphere that hadn't recreated where we used to play. It takes time to rebuild the connection but it will happen based on what happens on the pitch. That first Fergie time comeback winner in the new ground will have everyone forgetting the old place.
As an example, people who saw us win the European Cup in 1968 now have memories of a ground that doesn't exist anymore, hell I saw us win the FA Cup in 1994, 1996 and 1999 and that ground doesn't exist anymore, it doesn't mean I've forgotten the day or what it felt like to win. Wembley now isn't the Wembley it was then but we've already won things at the new ground and created memories there too. We can make a new Old Trafford just as special as the current ground is to all of us.
We're never, ever gonna rent the Etihad.
It might've been feasible during/after the war when times were different but the rivalry is so bitter now that there's zero chance that City would chance letting 50/60k United fans into their ground without accepting that it's gonna get defaced/damaged repeatedly and there's no way United fans will accept having to go to the Etihad every other game.
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Not fussed by the price increase as we haven't had one in 10+ years but I reckon if Qatar come in they would absorb a lot of the cost.
I'm more worried about relocation of seats though if we renovate, there's no way of doing this unless you shut down parts of the ground which means we will end up missing games.
How many other stadiums have you been to? Because Old Trafford is way, way behind. A new stadium is the necessary route to take imo.
Let me tell you something. The Gillete stadium for New England patriots has 3 tiers. Between the second and third tier there is a 5 story building. Yes 5 story building for kinds of suites and boxes. OT will do the same. Anyone on the 3rd level can’t see anything on the pitch. Be careful what you wish for.