Old Trafford revamp/could be torn down and rebuilt according to Glazer plans

[Utd7]

Would build a new state of the art stadium next door. But include the exterior aesthetic of classic Manchester architecture. Someone mentioned Lucas Oil Stadium for the Colts as a blueprint. That would be perfect.

For original OT, leave the classic Sir Bobby stand that has the Munich clock/tunnel etc and the pitch, downsize the remaining stands and utilize it for the Women’s team and academy games.

 

[next_number_seven]

A new build would likely take 7-10 years from announcement to completion (based on similar stadium projects eg Wembley, Emirates and Tottenham). 2030 would possibly be a realistic timescale.

Planning, design, tendering etc takes longer than the actual building. It could be built in 2 years probably

 

[next_number_seven]

Would build a new state of the art stadium next door. But include the exterior aesthetic of classic Manchester architecture. Someone mentioned Lucas Oil Stadium for the Colts as a blueprint. That would be perfect.

For original OT, leave the classic Sir Bobby stand that has the Munich clock/tunnel etc and the pitch, downsize the remaining stands and utilize it for the Women’s team and academy games.

I'd like something memorable and unique which refers to our history or to Manchester

 

[Red in STL]

United property manager said this about the land they have been buying.

"This is not an investment portfolio. Properties have been acquired at different times for strategic reasons looking into the future. We have no specific plans for these sites at the moment but our owners feel it is prudent to prepare for the future when they might be needed for sports-related development"

You don't build a £300 million land and property portfolio without being able to do what you eventually plan to do.

Leasehold land, still lets you build/develop on that land within the terms of the lease.

You think they'll be allowed to knock down a rail freight terminal think again, the rest would be probably fine though

 

[Red in STL]

I'd like something memorable and unique which refers to our history or to Manchester

So a cotton mill then

 

[sparx99]

A new build would likely take 7-10 years from announcement to completion (based on similar stadium projects eg Wembley, Emirates and Tottenham). 2030 would possibly be a realistic timescale.

We consulted architects a couple of times in the last few years so we may be somewhat down the road in terms of scope and initial drawings. Obviously new owners would change things but things like feasibility and planning may have been looked at.

 

[Red in STL]

We consulted architects a couple of times in the last few years so we may be somewhat down the road in terms of scope and initial drawings. Obviously new owners would change things but things like feasibility and planning may have been looked at.

How do we get the Polish lads back though, there's a huge shortage of construction workers

 

[sglowrider]

I don't think I'd mind a knockdown to be honest. But seeing this fills me with dread. The design can't be this 'bowl' effect that seems so popular now.

Wasnt the initial complaint that the OT pitch hardly gets enough sun and the airflow was poor? Thus the poor conditions for grass growth, in patches.
With a bowl, I don't think it helps with the restrictions in air flow and the limiting sunlight.

 

[Red in STL]

Wasnt the initial complaint that the OT pitch hardly gets enough sun and the airflow was poor? Thus the poor conditions for grass growth, in patches.
With a bowl, I don't think it helps with the restrictions in air flow and the limiting sunlight.

That was true 20 years ago, not the case anymore, pitches are not just grass anymore they're a combination of grass and artificial fibre, I also think the type of grass is different

 

[Waynne]

Build a new modern, state of the art stadium with best in class facilities. Retain Old Trafford but turn it into a museum and let the women play there.

 

[sglowrider]

That was true 20 years ago, not the case anymore, pitches are not just grass anymore they're a combination of grass and artificial fibre, I also think the type of grass is different

The ol 5G grass?

But I still see them lighting up the grass at night in OT.

 

[sglowrider]

Build a new modern, state of the art stadium with best in class facilities. Retain Old Trafford but turn it into a museum and let the women play there.

Wasn't a side of the new White Hart Lane part of the old WHL?

 

[meamth]

I want a big red, white and black stadium. Build it next to Old Trafford.

Old Trafford site should be rebuilt as a museum, megastore or art complex for tourists.

 

[Waynne]

Wasn't a side of the new White Hart Lane part of the old WHL?

Have no idea mate. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will be able to answer your question.

 

[Zlaatan]

The original plan for the Olympic stadium was for it to be dismantled after the Olympics, it was a temporary venue. The plan then changed for a football team to use it hence why it became a thing between West Ham/Spurs/Leyton Orient.

How is a comparison with the Qatar WC not a great comparison when it shows that you can build large, temporary venues fitted out exactly like we need and then have it dismantled when we've got a new ground?

And no, I don't see a stadium sitting idle in Manchester, that's why you'd build one for us to play in whilst a new OT is built, temporary stadiums don't take long to go up and it's a fairly common practice these days, it's not rocket science.

You can laugh all you like but you're just showing that you know absolutely nothing about stadium construction.

Where would the temporary stadium be and wouldn't it be 1000x more cost effective to just build the new permanent stadium in that location instead and continue to play at OT until it's done? This temp stadium just seems like a huge project that solves a problem that doesn't really exist, unless you think for some reason that the new permanent stadium has to sit in the same space as OT sits in today. And if so, why?

 

[next_number_seven]

So a cotton mill then

If you look at the stadiums built for the Qatar World Cup, they designed some interesting concepts which were evocative of the area.

 

[sglowrider]

If you look at the stadiums built for the Qatar World Cup, they designed some interesting concepts which were evocative of the area.

 

[Red in STL]

The ol 5G grass?

But I still see them lighting up the grass at night in OT.

That'll be the gound staff growing their tomato's under LED lights

 

[sglowrider]

That'll be the ground staff growing their tomato's under LED lights

Hopefully, its only tomatoes.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Has anybody got pictures of the best stadiums and their concourses etc. So we can see what we should be aiming for, people seem obsessed about the outside look, when inside seating and leg room, concourses, toilet facilities are as important. Making it capable of being used for other events without ruining the pitch. I have always found OT dated, even walking round it is like going through a concrete underpass.

 

[Hal9000]

You think they'll be allowed to knock down a rail freight terminal think again, the rest would be probably fine though

Knock down what excatly? a few warehouses? most of that land is just for the storage of containers. An new stadium and a whole new campus with a mini stadium, training facilities, leasure facilties and other stuff for the wide community will be far more economically viable. Plus Port Salford being open just down the road, means there is still a better area for frieght nearby.

As i said though, the Glazers/United would not spend however much money they did on that land to not be able to do what they wanted with it when the time comes.

 

[Red in STL]

Knock down what excatly? a few warehouses? most of that land is just for the storage of containers. An new stadium and a whole new campus with a mini stadium, training facilities, leasure facilties and other stuff for the wide community will be far more economically viable. Plus Port Salford being open just down the road, means there is still a better area for frieght nearby.

As i said though, the Glazers/United would not spend however much money they did on that land to not be able to do what they wanted with it when the time comes.

I guess you didn't see all the train tracks

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Why wouldn't they be? It's our land. The reason why we've been buying up the land was because of "sporting developments and security" how ever the Sporting developments never came because Glazers...

Planning permission, but I’m not sure if this is true but didn’t they buy the land after screwing up with Hotel football. I’m sure I recall reading they went and bought the land to prevent other such things from being built around OT if it was possible.

 

[Hal9000]

I guess you didn't see all the train tracks

I did, the train tracks into the freight terminal terminate there, they are only for the terminal. Between the mainline and the canal on the other side. You have 5 depots, a big logistics warehouse and a smaller warehouse. Then the storage yard for the containers, then the car parks for United. It's 26 acres. I also highlighted earlier that we own the land between the canal and wharfside road. (so all the white roof buildings at the forefront of the photo, and the warehouse just before the north stand of OT. Not to mention the car parks.

If you make a triangle between the white warehouses, left and right at the forefront and the white warehouses at the back left. All that is United owned. But hey if Qatar win's we shall see who is right

 

[Red in STL]

I did, the train tracks into the freight terminal terminate there, they are only for the terminal. Between the mainline and the canal on the other side. You have 5 depots, a big logistics warehouse and a smaller warehouse. Then the storage yard for the containers, then the car parks for United. It's 26 acres. I also highlighted earlier that we own the land between the canal and wharfside road. (so all the white roof buildings at the forefront of the photo, and the warehouse just before the north stand of OT. Not to mention the car parks.

If you make a triangle between the white warehouses, left and right at the forefront and the white warehouses at the back left. All that is United owned. But hey if Qatar win's we shall see who is right

I didn't say you couldn't build there, just not where the rail terminal is

 

[Hal9000]

Planning permission, but I’m not sure if this is true but didn’t they buy the land after screwing up with Hotel football. I’m sure I recall reading they went and bought the land to prevent other such things from being built around OT if it was possible.

I posted earlier a quote from United property director. They've maintained that the land was being brought up for sporting purposes. You don't buy up all that land without knowing what you can and can't build on it, not for the prices they have been paying.

Hotel Football, well that land was owned by a group of fans that wanted to build a clubhouse and refused to sell to the Glazers. Then they sold to Neville. I believe the Glazers initially objected, again because they said they were buying up land in the area and had a vision of a future project that the hotel didnt fit into.

 

[Hal9000]

I didn't say you couldn't build there, just not where the rail terminal is

No frieght buildings, no need for that terminal or lines? The lines there are not publically owned, they are part of the 26 acres that the club own. We would not be touching the mainline.

 

[Red in STL]

No frieght buildings, no need for that terminal or lines? The lines there are not publically owned, they are part of the 26 acres that the club own. We would not be touching the mainline.

I assume that those lines are used for transportation of goods in and out of Trafford Park, I've no idea who owns them but I can't see anyone being allowed to tear them up if it fecks up commerce in Trafford Park - one day I guess we may find out

 

[red thru&thru]

No frieght buildings, no need for that terminal or lines? The lines there are not publically owned, they are part of the 26 acres that the club own. We would not be touching the mainline.

One of the few good things the Glazers did was buy the surrounding lands. It will be a contributing factor in the high selling price.

No doubt the designs that Populous would have created, would have been shared with the bidders. Would love to see the optional designs.

 

[Nori-]

We really have to try and remove the nostalgia from the equation and think about what's best for the club.

As much as you spend on refurbishing Old Trafford it will never be the same as a new stadium. Imagine something like Spurs stadium but with a 100,000 seats (which we could fill), a giant red wall like Dortmund have, fans almost pitch side rather than those sloped edges of the pitch, an area that doubles as an entertainment venue for boxing, MMA, restaurants to take family to, hotels etc all on the same grounds. The revenue you could generate would be incredible and allow us to spend more while being within FFP.

I understand people associate happy parts of their life with Old Trafford, like I do but if you stand still you get left behind.

 

[LordSpud]

Put this in the sale thread but I suppose it belongs here too

 

[stw2022]

He's right in a way. But at some point maybe history gets in the way?

 

[dove]

Put this in the sale thread but I suppose it belongs here too

Explains why they left a stadium to rot. It's because he clearly values it so much that we are trying to preserve it in the state it is.

 

[Bert_]

Hopefully, its only tomatoes.

That would be one way fund a new stadium!

 

[red thru&thru]

Put this in the sale thread but I suppose it belongs here too

Values it so much, that he cannot be bothered to come and watch his club.

 

[red thru&thru]

We really have to try and remove the nostalgia from the equation and think about what's best for the club.

As much as you spend on refurbishing Old Trafford it will never be the same as a new stadium. Imagine something like Spurs stadium but with a 100,000 seats (which we could fill), a giant red wall like Dortmund have, fans almost pitch side rather than those sloped edges of the pitch, an area that doubles as an entertainment venue for boxing, MMA, restaurants to take family to, hotels etc all on the same grounds. The revenue you could generate would be incredible and allow us to spend more while being within FFP.

I understand people associate happy parts of their life with Old Trafford, like I do but if you stand still you get left behind.

Agreed. We're in a new era now. What is needed from a stadium has changed, especially when you're having to pay billions for it.

 

[clarkydaz]

Values it so much, that he cannot be bothered to come and watch his club.

i wonder if they will be at the final on Sunday

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Put this in the sale thread but I suppose it belongs here too

He values nothing about the stadium when he’s let it deteriorate for years.

 

[kaku06]

Such a good short video. What do you think look the best option? Apologies if posted already.

 

[V.O.]

Such a good short video. What do you think look the best option? Apologies if posted already.

If we're going to do it, can we just have something with a bit of character instead of another copy-paste toilet seat?