So no roof and just a handful of seats then
Old Trafford revamp/could be torn down and rebuilt according to Glazer plans
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A roof would kill the grass I think. Manc weather.
All i want to know is, where is the cheese room going to go?
Despite it's reputation it doesn't rain that much in Manchester, it just looks like it should be raining!
I think with the grass/plastic blends they use nowadays it's not a big issue anymore
I'm not sure a lot of folks actually understand how basic stadiums were up until 30-40 years ago, in the seats in the Stretty, aside from zero legroom the biggest problem was avoiding getting a splinter in your arse from the seat!
I'd be gutted if OT was knocked down and a completely new stadium was built.
Yes. Completely agree with you and I can't really see that happening.
But something needs to be done to bring the stadium up to date. And that is going to cost. Whatever decision is made, a great deal of thought is going to have to be made to get the optimum solution.
Agreed.
100%
I think there’s potential to turn the ground into a smaller stadium for the women’s team, something with single tiers all around would be ideal for them, could keep the museum as well and add some more places to eat and drink before and after the game.
What ever the plans are, I hope our new overlords treat the builders well.
What out of 3 options in this video would you prefer out of the following:
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I’d opt for B but wouldn’t mind C
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I’d opt for B but wouldn’t mind C
Option c for me. Far less upheavel and just move out and move in to a new state of the art stadium.
I can absolutely see it happening. It'll cost as much if not more to make current OT anything like what a new stadium could be.
And before anyone says it, we'd all be gutted when the current ground comes down. It's been home for 113 years, it's hard not to be gutted.
Times change though, I'm sure the same type of people said the same thing about Bank Street or North Road.
It's not the building that makes the memories, it's the games and the teams and the players and the managers and the atmosphere that we remember. We can create the exact same thing in a new ground if designed right and I have huge faith in current stadium designers to create something that pays homage and respect to the current ground and to the history of the club and city/surrounding area but gives us a platform to really be world leading on a matchday. The way stadium design has gone over the last decade or so is really something to behold, it won't just be a soulless, boring, cookie cutter ground I'm sure of it.
We have to move away from the railway line because it's not going anywhere and will forever be prohibitive to us. It turns a simple revamp into something much more expensive and complicated. We've got the space to built on the same plot of land, our postcode wouldn't even have to change, it'd still be Old Trafford and few teams have the luxury of that.
C is nice (with a better design) but as was mentioned by @hp88 and their absolutely brilliant idea; rebuild Old Trafford as the woman's stadium and museum on the old site with some of the existing materials.
What better way to honour the legacy of Old Trafford than to make it an icon of progression, and what better way to represent that than with bringing our women's team (and possibly share it with the reserves and youth?). The soul of the stadium will still be there if we did that.
I've liked hp88s post above. I shouldn't but I have for two reasons - because rules be damned, and also feck Solius the sexy twat that he is.
That is a very fair comment. And especially the railway line issue.
And if a Tottenham style model could be carried out then I would agree with you.
I was more coming from the financial angle. Because such a transformation would be likely to cost over £1bn.
So any prospective buyer would need to factor that into their plans.
Edit. And of course Tottenham were able to play at Wembley. United would probably have to share City stadium for a few years with a multitude of issues that would bring. Which is why I mentioned the Liverpool phased approach.
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The railway line is biggest argument for moving. It's forever going to make any developments now and in the future infinitely more complicated and expensive.
Shouldn't it be considered a historical monument at this point?
Because Olt Trafford needs a better everything not just a facade.
It needs a better concourse for navigation.
Better concession stands.
Better hospitality.
Better leg room.
Better overall fan experience.
It would be quicker and more efficient to build a new stadium.
History is with the people not the building. Every hallowed ground people love was once a shiny new thing.
Look to the future, don't be an enemy of progress.
You could say the same for any old, run down stadium that has a historical meaning - same for Highbury / Anfield / Old Wembley, or any sport stadium with some history linked to it.
I'm sure there will ways to incorporate some of the old parts of OT into the new that wouldn't give it that Emirates feeling that hung around for a decade or so.
But I agree with those who do say it's time to move on and build a new stadium as there's just too much to do and we'll be plastering over cracks year on year - but with some fantastic links to the old which people could look at and feel connected to.
If anyone wants to see a historical monument go to the Memorial Stadium in Bristol, home of Bristol Rovers. By a very wide margin the absolute worst football ground in the football league. It is a total sh1t hole with a capacity of just over 9,000 in a catchment area of well over 1.5 millions.
Anyway, regarding Old Trafford, doing nothing is simply not an option. It really does need a stadium befitting of the club stature and hopefully ambitions.
But it is going to be very difficult and very expensive. And probably not in the short term either.
Good post and well said.
That's a good idea about keeping the old stadium for women's, youth and reserves
Yes, it would be a great solution and show we are finally fully supporting the women's team. There is far more growth potential in the women's game than the men's. I'm expecting average crowds to grow from 3-5k to 25-35k within 10 years plus 60-70k for big matches and that growth can't come at Leigh.
I can't imagine a new stadium in many ways.
I can't see how you replace the Munich Clock ... and the emotions that it generates. I am getting goosebumps just writing and thinking about it.
Regardless of ownership, the history, the stadium, the players who have played on the pitch etc represent the soul of the club (and not the owners otherwise we would have been soulless club years ago.)
Tearing all that down and replacing it with some modern/trendy looking stadium would crush me.
Boston Red Sox stadium with its wooden chairs and cramped leg space is an iconic stadium that under no consideration by fans and owners is thought to be changed/replaced.
The fans are clamoring for OT to be upgraded though and you're wrong about the owners, they seriously considered rebuilding Fenway Park a few years back, for those who remember the Stretford End seating, that's what Fenway is like even now!
Would there be enough room for both?
The were considering a new stadium in the past and have spent the last two decades making ongoing renovations to try and keep it up to date, right up to last year. As of the 10 year renovation and rebuilding project they completed in 2012 the the stadium was designed to usable as far as 2060 but that means it will inevitably require further extensive renovation in the coming decades to survive.
I wouldn't describe that as being under no consideration to be changed by fans or owners.
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A is the only one that keeps the character of Old Trafford.
Does anyone know how much land is owned by the club around Old Trafford?
Could they do a quick sketch on a Google maps screenshot please?
I'm just curious if it's possible to keep the old stadium whilst building a new one, if there's enough space.
Or would they have to do a tottenham job.
I'm still for renovating the old stadium but really I know nothing about it's current condition and if it's a cost effective solution
Could they do a quick sketch on a Google maps screenshot please?
I'm just curious if it's possible to keep the old stadium whilst building a new one, if there's enough space.
Or would they have to do a tottenham job.
I'm still for renovating the old stadium but really I know nothing about it's current condition and if it's a cost effective solution
Not the full story there though is it.....
...because it obviously was, which is why they looked at building a new stadium but choose some 20 years worth of renovations instead which only just finished.
B and C look like toilets, name should be changed to Kohler stadium.
As far as I know they own all of the car parking and vacant land to the rear of the stadium, so building a new one wouldnt be a problem.
TBH I'm not sure there is
Its option C for me.
I might be alone, but for me Wembley is still Wembley. Old Trafford would still be Old Trafford even if its been shifted a few metres to the left. The original Old Trafford buildings are long gone and the grass probably gets replaced in its entirety every few years. We’re not talking about moving half way across the city so I dont see this as similar to Arsenal leaving Highbury for example. We would still be descending upon the same place that Manchester United fans have done for over a hundred years.
The opportunity to build a brand new state of the art stadium which is the best in the world and has the largest capacity in europe is too good to turn down.
The fact we have the opportunity to do that whilst continuing to play in the existing stadium without having to ground share and lose significant revenues by temporarily downsizing is also another huge benefit to option C. FFP being based on overall revenues means we can’t really afford to take that hit and stay competitive.
And if we’re being honest, owners are temporary and the club is forever. If we get the chance to get a brand new stadium on someone elses dime we should snatch that up. Its really just the footballing gods reimbursing us for the £1bn the glazers stole from us.
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So the shiny new stadium will only be exclusively for men?
North and South are constrained by the rail line and the ship canal, there's zero space there, East is the car parking area, but if you look at an aerial shot of the stadium it currently covers a much larger footprint than the car parking space, West is hard to tell the animation in this thread has Option C built there but how much space there is is hard to tell
Don't be a cnut, didn't you watch any of the world cup?
What do you mean by that?
Edit* So I'm a cnut for questioning why the idea of a new stadium would not be inclusive of the women's team? I'm confused, so you don't want inclusion?... Because of it's that's the case, then you sir are an even bigger cnut.
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Your post suggested exclusively for men as in spectators but I see a response to another post you meant for playing so that's different so I take it back