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How do feel about José Mourinho's appointment as Man Utd manager?

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When does he officially start? And when are the players back who dont play at the European Championship?
 
SteveJ said:
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Reading the evidence as presented it all comes across as very he said/she said. Particularly the part where Chelsea allege Carneiro would have taken her job back had they offered her enough cash. I doubt anyone is going to come out of this looking brilliant.

On the sexism charge Mourinho's defence is believable. In Iberia the phrase is thrown around in the same way f-k is in Northern Europe e.g. when Guardiola was quoted as calling Mourinho the f-n boss what he said was 'el puto hefe'. A wooden translation would not render 'el puto hefe' as the f-n boss, but it carries that sense. I am sure Mourinho says filho da puta constantly on the touchline, in the same way Sir Alex used to f and blind constantly. It will be hard for Carneiro's lawyer to make it stick that Mou's motivations were sexist, unless the video recordings unequivocally have him saying 'a' rather than 'o'. I can see how she might be able to get somewhere saying she was dismissed unfairly. Yet Chelsea will argue they did not fire her, they changed her duties and she resigned.

Difficult to see how this will have any impact on Mourinho's management of United.
 
Daughter of a whore or son of a whore, it still isn't remotely sexist.
 
Escobar said:
When does he officially start? And when are the players back who dont play at the European Championship?
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On the day he signed, all the reports said the 4th of July was when he is expected to give his first official presser.... Easy one to remember for obvious reasons.
 
#07 said:
Reading the evidence as presented it all comes across as very he said/she said. Particularly the part where Chelsea allege Carneiro would have taken her job back had they offered her enough cash. I doubt anyone is going to come out of this looking brilliant.

On the sexism charge Mourinho's defence is believable. In Iberia the phrase is thrown around in the same way f-k is in Northern Europe e.g. when Guardiola was quoted as calling Mourinho the f-n boss what he said was 'el puto hefe'. A wooden translation would not render 'el puto hefe' as the f-n boss, but it carries that sense. I am sure Mourinho says filho da puta constantly on the touchline, in the same way Sir Alex used to f and blind constantly. It will be hard for Carneiro's lawyer to make it stick that Mou's motivations were sexist, unless the video recordings unequivocally have him saying 'a' rather than 'o'. I can see how she might be able to get somewhere saying she was dismissed unfairly. Yet Chelsea will argue they did not fire her, they changed her duties and she resigned.

Difficult to see how this will have any impact on Mourinho's management of United.
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Said it before but easy way to kill all this.... Offer he a job at Old Trafford, Jose.
 
#07 said:
Reading the evidence as presented it all comes across as very he said/she said. Particularly the part where Chelsea allege Carneiro would have taken her job back had they offered her enough cash. I doubt anyone is going to come out of this looking brilliant.

On the sexism charge Mourinho's defence is believable. In Iberia the phrase is thrown around in the same way f-k is in Northern Europe e.g. when Guardiola was quoted as calling Mourinho the f-n boss what he said was 'el puto hefe'. A wooden translation would not render 'el puto hefe' as the f-n boss, but it carries that sense. I am sure Mourinho says filho da puta constantly on the touchline, in the same way Sir Alex used to f and blind constantly. It will be hard for Carneiro's lawyer to make it stick that Mou's motivations were sexist, unless the video recordings unequivocally have him saying 'a' rather than 'o'. I can see how she might be able to get somewhere saying she was dismissed unfairly. Yet Chelsea will argue they did not fire her, they changed her duties and she resigned.

Difficult to see how this will have any impact on Mourinho's management of United.
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Is it kind of like 'son of a bitch' in English?
 
Rado_N said:
Is it kind of like 'son of a bitch' in English?
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That's the literal translation. It does mean that and Iberians do use the phrase in its literal sense, a lot too. 'Puto' is a very flexible expletive though. Think of how English speakers use the F word. It is technically a sexual act. Although when we swear its rarely used in that way. Nobody says f'n hell in a literal way. Hispanophones use 'Puto' the same way. For example, if the car won't start its not unusual for someone to shout 'Puto Carro', which has the sense of 'f'n car!'
 
VP89 said:
Don't remember this.

Jose called Inter and Real his house too. Means feck all.
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Yeah he said that quite a lot actually, ''They tell me he has great movement'' on Hernandez, like he didn't fecking already know.

Or "They keep telling me how good he is," in reference to Kagawa.

It was strange, like he had came from managing in Japan in the 80's or something and knew nothing about any of our players.
 
VP89 said:
Don't remember this.

Jose called Inter and Real his house too. Means feck all.
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If he gets results then all of his comments will be debated and quoted as a reason why he was successful with us. If he fails, he will fail despite saying these things. It's a results game and as long as he get's it, people will keep inventing reasons to praise him.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah he said that quite a lot actually, ''They tell me he has great movement'' on Hernandez, like he didn't fecking already know.

Or "They keep telling me how good he is," in reference to Kagawa.

It was strange, like he had came from managing in Japan in the 80's or something and knew nothing about any of our players.
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Moyes was a specialist at saying 'I' for any small victory and 'we' for any loss. After United had been knocked out of the European Cup Moyes was very strong about how he had gotten us to the last eight, but the team had lost. Sickening.

Van Gaal had started going that way by the end. Throwing the players under the bus, complaining about fans' expectations. I am sure he'd have gone full Moyes had Woodward not replaced him with Mourinho.
 
#07 said:
That's the literal translation. It does mean that and Iberians do use the phrase in its literal sense, a lot too. 'Puto' is a very flexible expletive though. Think of how English speakers use the F word. It is technically a sexual act. Although when we swear its rarely used in that way. Nobody says f'n hell in a literal way. Hispanophones use 'Puto' the same way. For example, if the car won't start its not unusual for someone to shout 'Puto Carro', which has the sense of 'f'n car!'
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Thanks, I'll add it to my vocabulary :lol:
 
#07 said:
Moyes was a specialist at saying 'I' for any small victory and 'we' for any loss. After United had been knocked out of the European Cup Moyes was very strong about how he had gotten us to the last eight, but the team had lost. Sickening.

Van Gaal had started going that way by the end. Throwing the players under the bus, complaining about fans' expectations. I am sure he'd have gone full Moyes had Woodward not replaced him with Mourinho.
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Yep and who could forget the infamous "Well, I was at Everton so I wasn't 21 points worse off,". So basically saying despite the fact that Manchester United the current champions were languishing in mid-table it had absolutely nothing to do with him. He was ticking over nicely and doing a great job.

It's been two years and the tosser still annoys me.
 
stevoc said:
Yep and who could forget the infamous "Well, I was at Everton so I wasn't 21 points worse off,". So basically saying despite the fact that Manchester United the current champions were languishing in mid-table it had absolutely nothing to do with him. He was ticking over nicely and doing a great job.

It's been two years and the tosser still annoys me.
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I can remember the look on his face. The indignant expression. Like it was a cheek to question how he had dragged United down. He tried to stare down the journalists in the room.

Likewise, I'm still infuriated by the Moyes error. When he said we had to make it difficult for Newcastle, when he said Liverpool would be the favourites to beat us at Old Trafford, when he said City were at the level we aspire too...

...dear me!
 
stevoc said:
Yep and who could forget the infamous "Well, I was at Everton so I wasn't 21 points worse off,". So basically saying despite the fact that Manchester United the current champions were languishing in mid-table it had absolutely nothing to do with him. He was ticking over nicely and doing a great job.

It's been two years and the tosser still annoys me.
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That Everton quote is hilarious because while he was trying to defend himself he made himself look worse. What he was basically saying is that he had brought United down so much that he had made them match his Everton team of the previous season.
 
#07 said:
I can remember the look on his face. The indignant expression. Like it was a cheek to question how he had dragged United down. He tried to stare down the journalists in the room.

Likewise, I'm still infuriated by the Moyes error. When he said we had to make it difficult for Newcastle, when he said Liverpool would be the favourites to beat us at Old Trafford, when he said City were at the level we aspire too...

...dear me!
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Yeah it was around that time that most Journos had to start asking him difficult questions and he didn't like it. He had been getting only very light criticism up until then. His bum chums in the media who he had wined and dined had seen to that along with the desire among many of them to see a british manager succeed.

Ole's_toe_poke said:
That Everton quote is hilarious because while he was trying to defend himself he made himself look worse. What he was basically saying is that he had brought United down so much that he had made them match his Everton team of the previous season.
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Yeah but then Dave has never struck me as the sharpest knife in the drawer. He continually put his foot in it while publicly speaking during his time at United.

Everton 2013:6th P38 W16 D 15 L7 GF 55 GA 40 Points 63

Man Utd 2014:7th P38 W19 D7 L12 GF 64 GA 42 Points 64

The Moyes zone.

So the lesson there was hire a mid-table manager, don't be surprised if he makes you a mid-table team.
 
#07 said:
Likewise, I'm still infuriated by the Moyes error.

When he said we had to make it difficult for Newcastle, when he said Liverpool would be the favourites to beat us at Old Trafford, when he said City were at the level we aspire too...

...dear me!
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I can still barely believe that the collective footballing brain trust board of Manchester United appointed Moyes as our manager after 27 year of Sir Alex Ferguson. Its just an astonishing decision that makes no sense, at the time or in the years since.

Allegations that SAF forced this through knowing it would be a heinous failure, so he could somehow 'enhance his legacy' are admissible only because no other plausible reasons exist!

LVG may not have worked out, but it was a perfectly acceptable appointment. Lets hope its third time lucky with Jose Mourinho.
 
Sky1981 said:
His tenure is like a shit that wont flush from my memory, for the love of united let it flush
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you need a good toilet brush

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VP89 said:
Don't remember this.

Jose called Inter and Real his house too. Means feck all.
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"They tell me he's a real good player" etc about different players. Would think he'd known after working in the same bloody league for 10 years.
 
Sky1981 said:
His tenure is like a shit that wont flush from my memory, for the love of united let it flush
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Some success would go a long way. Luckily we probably won't have to wait long now.
Hopefully Moyes will be a small footnote in our history.
 
#07 said:
Moyes was a specialist at saying 'I' for any small victory and 'we' for any loss. After United had been knocked out of the European Cup Moyes was very strong about how he had gotten us to the last eight, but the team had lost. Sickening.

Van Gaal had started going that way by the end. Throwing the players under the bus, complaining about fans' expectations. I am sure he'd have gone full Moyes had Woodward not replaced him with Mourinho.
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Mourinho is the king of throwing players under the bus after last season tbf.
 
VP89 said:
Mourinho is the king of throwing players under the bus after last season tbf.
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They deserve that though, such a fall from grace isn't down to Mourinho alone, something behind the screen must have happened.

If they finished 5th or 6th that's down to a bad year from Mourinho, but languishing in relegation table??

My theory is either Jose stop caring in a way or another, or the player really are trying to get his scalp.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
It was the same with Van Gaal.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/lou...-conference-17-07-14-14-45-bst.393577/page-15

Ultimately results and performances matter.


Only Moyes didn't get the 'new manager love in' treatment from the Caf.

I mean it was obvious to anyone that he was grossly underqualified for the job.
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I was quite expectant when we hired Van Gaal(Although at that point anyone but Moyes felt like relief) .

It was deep into his second pre-season that I realised that it was going to turn just as bad with the baffling decision making.

For a long time this place has been filled with gloom and yes the Mourinho honeymoon probably won't last,but I just love the excitement for once. He is the best manager we have ever HIRED (on paper at least).
 
Sky1981 said:
They deserve that though, such a fall from grace isn't down to Mourinho alone, something behind the screen must have happened.

If they finished 5th or 6th that's down to a bad year from Mourinho, but languishing in relegation table??

My theory is either Jose stop caring in a way or another, or the player really are trying to get his scalp.
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You don't think our players deserved to be held accountable after some shocking displays this season?

Mourinho turned on his backroom medical staff quite early on in the season.
 
VP89 said:
You don't think our players deserved to be held accountable after some shocking displays this season?

Mourinho turned on his backroom medical staff quite early on in the season.
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Maybe, subject that they didn't give their best. But I suspect the chelsea players didn't even give a feck anymore. Each a unique situation though, i cant say i know anything but maybe in a few years we'll have some information on what actually going on
 
Sky1981 said:
Maybe, subject that they didn't give their best. But I suspect the chelsea players didn't even give a feck anymore. Each a unique situation though, i cant say i know anything but maybe in a few years we'll have some information on what actually going on
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theres the clip showing costa flipping a bib in the air to land around joses head, while the guy next to him giggles like a school kid. Just twats
 
#07 said:
Reading the evidence as presented it all comes across as very he said/she said. Particularly the part where Chelsea allege Carneiro would have taken her job back had they offered her enough cash. I doubt anyone is going to come out of this looking brilliant.

On the sexism charge Mourinho's defence is believable. In Iberia the phrase is thrown around in the same way f-k is in Northern Europe e.g. when Guardiola was quoted as calling Mourinho the f-n boss what he said was 'el puto hefe'. A wooden translation would not render 'el puto hefe' as the f-n boss, but it carries that sense. I am sure Mourinho says filho da puta constantly on the touchline, in the same way Sir Alex used to f and blind constantly. It will be hard for Carneiro's lawyer to make it stick that Mou's motivations were sexist, unless the video recordings unequivocally have him saying 'a' rather than 'o'. I can see how she might be able to get somewhere saying she was dismissed unfairly. Yet Chelsea will argue they did not fire her, they changed her duties and she resigned.

Difficult to see how this will have any impact on Mourinho's management of United.
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Fairly clear case of constructive dismissal from the look of it, every other team physio is on the side of the pitch during a match to treat any injuries, as was her role until José lost the rag.

You can't put her on sandwich making duty during games instead of letting her do her job, then blame her for resigning, the fact she's turned down £1.2m already is a bit of a clue that Chelsea know well Mourinho was in the wrong.

You say it won't impact on us yet he's representing us now, an unfair dismissal case with Mourinho the main reason, and no doubt a civil case against him for discrimination against her gender will be all over the press, distracting him from his job.

For what it's worth I agreed with her at the time, Mourinho would be the first one to tell his players to stay down and waste time when his side are winning, but when Hazard was genuinely injured, Mourinho didn't want him getting treatment which is her job.

It's like SSN in here with the specialist Iberian dialect experts coming out of the woodwork. I think he should apologise, settle it out of court and focus on his job.
 
ManUchosenbosslvg said:
Fairly clear case of constructive dismissal from the look of it, every other team physio is on the side of the pitch during a match to treat any injuries, as was her role until José lost the rag.

You can't put her on sandwich making duty during games instead of letting her do her job, then blame her for resigning, the fact she's turned down £1.2m already is a bit of a clue that Chelsea know well Mourinho was in the wrong.

You say it won't impact on us yet he's representing us now, an unfair dismissal case with Mourinho the main reason, and no doubt a civil case against him for discrimination against her gender will be all over the press, distracting him from his job.

For what it's worth I agreed with her at the time, Mourinho would be the first one to tell his players to stay down and waste time when his side are winning, but when Hazard was genuinely injured, Mourinho didn't want him getting treatment which is her job.

It's like SSN in here with the specialist Iberian dialect experts coming out of the woodwork. I think he should apologise, settle it out of court and focus on his job.
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Even if she succeeds in pressing her case for constructive dismissal, the case won't affect Mourinho's management of United. Regardless of what you think of how Mou behaved, the arguments presented today provide no cause for United to rethink his appointment.
 
#07 said:
Even if she succeeds in pressing her case for constructive dismissal, the case won't affect Mourinho's management of United. Regardless of what you think of how Mou behaved, the arguments presented today provide no cause for United to rethink his appointment.
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His contract is signed and all, we can't rethink it now. We could def do without "Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho"in headlines along with sexual harassment and discrimination on every back page. If he could discretely settle it out of court then we should be encouraging him to do that.
 
VP89 said:
This whole thread has turned into an OTT love affair for Mourinho.
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I am a massive Jose fan and felt he should've taken over from SAF, but even I am aghast at the ongoing love affair. He says, "my house" and some fans are creaming their pants. I have no idea why.
I am waiting for the season to start, to see if he lives up to my high expectation.
 
#07 said:
Moyes was a specialist at saying 'I' for any small victory and 'we' for any loss. After United had been knocked out of the European Cup Moyes was very strong about how he had gotten us to the last eight, but the team had lost. Sickening.
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He also didn't use 'shall' much, if it all. Which in retrospect was awfully disappointing.
 
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