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Thanks.Thankfully we can comfortably ignore internet body-language 'experts'.
He looks like a dad that's been forced to carry the shopping.
I'm not one to go out on a limb with conspiracy theories but I reckon he's worried that the brown suit was the wrong choice.
Love seeing videos like that showing behind the scenes stuff.
He does doesn't he? If you had no idea who he is and saw this on Facebook or Instagram...This one is literally just the Kim family in North Korea.
These pictures are fantastic.
Me too. I wish we got more insight. Like I'd love to see a Mourinho team meeting, be fascinating to see what he talks about, how in depth he goes etc.
You can see them in his Inter documentaries and some of his older stuff I believe.
I hate this bit of the runnings though, it felt all of this was done with David Moyes all the photos the build up and it amounted to nothing.
I'm not comparing the two but those awkward photos of him carrying the shopping could be a strange thing to look bac on in a years time, Ed probably wants the United branding everywhere on the bag, in the background, he'll be forced to get a tattoo soon.
Completely agree. Wish we'd start our own Youtube channel, similar to Citeh's. Unfortunately theirs is too good for me not to subscribe to.
Did he do this when he was at Chelsea as well? His wife posting pictures of him with United bag and a scarf and the jersey on his office chair ...
It's not just his instagram account.
His wife has been posting stuff on twitter. His office, him holding a bag from the United store. His son has been posting on twitter too.
Keane is a lot of things but, the whole "decent career" thing...He's a very humble and self critical man. Read his book, it's like he's talking to his therapist.
As for him and Fergie. Both of them are pig ignorant shits, as much as I love them. Fergie continued to employee a secretary he hated, at St. Mirren, purely so he could make a point of not talking to her and that's not a jokeKeane is just as bad
EDIT: He's a season ticket holder ffs, him and his children. How bitter does one have to be to buy season ticket to something they hate?
I want to look like Jose when I'm old.
Ah fair enough.
Still though with Moyes i'm sure something similar could have been worked out with Everton to allow Moyes to start work earlier if he had actually wanted to, instead of having a 6 week holiday.
He was after all pictured at Carrington with Ferguson and Albert Morgan the day after the season ended, so Everton didn't seem too concerned about it all.
I don't get this, "he'll have to change himself now he's at United, he needs to be humble". Bollox, he's not a teenager with raging hormones ffs. He's a mature and successful man everyone aspires to be like.
If he's here for short term, let him be the Mourinho he is. If he's here to build a dynasty, let him be himself as well. He's been successful in whatever he has done all his life and a lot of it can be attributed to his madness for the game. We've wanted him all along and have admired him for what he is. Why should he change?
That video was seriously odd at some parts with Sir Bobby. Mourinho putting his hand on his shoulder was almost a Gareth moment from the office. Let him be Mourinho. He isn't as evil after all as some believe.
I hope he isn't asked to " behave" by the club, that's simply putting unnecessary pressure on a guy that already has a big job on his hands.
If he's here for short term, let him be the Mourinho he is. If he's here to build a dynasty, let him be himself as well. He's been successful in whatever he has done all his life and a lot of it can be attributed to his madness for the game. We've wanted him all along and have admired him for what he is. Why should he change?
That video was seriously odd at some parts with Sir Bobby. Mourinho putting his hand on his shoulder was almost a Gareth moment from the office. Let him be Mourinho. He isn't as evil after all as some believe.
I hope he isn't asked to " behave" by the club, that's simply putting unnecessary pressure on a guy that already has a big job on his hands.
Just go on the SSN app and the top story is Mourinho and Charlton meeting.
Skys Mourinho bum fest is brilliant. I bet it is really pissing off rival fans
Skys Mourinho bum fest is brilliant. I bet it is really pissing off rival fans
The last thing you want to do is quit one job and immediately start another. I know people that take a month off before starting their new job and they don't earn huge money like these lads.
Jose is a handsome fecker isn't he.
Glad to see he has started early. Obviously give the nod for the contract extensions of CBJ and Rashford you would think- now let's get a couple in before the Euros.
Who's the man?
In general I agree with what you're saying but given the size of the job and the importance of the transfer window, Football might be the exception to the rule there. If he transferred job mid-season he would have been expected to step right into the role.
And yet thats what most of us have to do out of necessity. Very few people can afford to take a month off before starting a new job.
And anyway being a football manager is not a normal job, some aspects of it are time sensitive like scouting, identifying and buying players.
It seems to me given Moyes crippling reluctance to spend money and his insistence on only signing players he has personally scouted or seen play 400 times. His time in May/June 2013 might have been better spent preparing for the biggest job of his career instead of sunning himself on a french beach.
At the time some people on here suggested he could be working on transfers behind the scenes but nope turns out he wasn't. He waited until July 1st turned up at Carrington and asked Woodward to sign Ronaldo/Bale/Fabregas/Fellaini. United didn't even make any bids for players until mid July, why wasn't Woodward given a list of targets before this so he could have been working on transfers all through June.
Definitely. Even if he was, formally, not done with his Everton contract he should still have started to work on United targets the next day after Ferguson gave him the job. Some people are born with 12 cylinders, and Moyes is not one of them.
Better late than never, excellent post Pexbo.
Our coach is a busy man.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tugal-students-football-coaching-lecture.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tugal-students-football-coaching-lecture.html
Yep, he gave a lecture in Portugal's most important Sports related University. He also had in the end, an improvised interview with some members of the portuguese media and the most interesting soundbyte is that he isn't going to buy any player from the portuguese league. That should "kill" the rumours from portuguese league based players.
Ive been thinking a lot about the similarities between Mourinho and SAF in the last few days, especially after Mockney's excellent post in the other (now closed) Mourinho thread last week.
The starting off point is complete agreement (the thesis in a nutshell being, for anyone that missed it, that Mourinho is the closest thing there is in football today to SAF, in terms of mind games, pragmaticism and the determination to win superseding all other considerations - among other things.)
But I have been thinking about what the key differences are. I think in a way they are more interesting, because, to be honest, the similarities are more obvious. And I have decided what it comes down to more than anything else is their respective attitudes to risk. SAF "learned" pragmaticism, I think. No, I think he was always pragmatic to a certain extent but I think he learned over time, and especially in certain situations (like the CL), that he needed to curb his instincts in order to be successful - to be more pragmatic than he had been in the past. I think his instinct was to attack. I dont think it is necessarily about entertainment per se, tho Im sure he wanted to entertain. I think it is more what I said previously - the attitude to risk.
I think when SAF was faced with a challenge his instinct was to attack it. He understood in certain situations you needed to stay your hand, and I think the older he got the more his head ruled his heart, if you want to put it that way: he understood on a logical or intellectual level the merits of a more cagey, pragmatic approach, and he defaulted to it more and more. As you get older it is easier, I think, for your head to rule your heart, you become less impulsive and more measured. I think this is what happened with SAF. And I think actually the younger man, Mourinho, played a role in teaching him that lesson - as did many years of disappointment in the CL. I am thinking of the FA Cup final we lost against Chelsea as a particular example, as well as basically Mourinho getting the better of him for a sustained period when he arrived in England. I think that was a game changer for SAF. In the cup final, I mean, I think it was probably an eye opener, the extent to which Mourinho was willing to shut that game down in order to win it. SAF's instincts would not lead him to make that decision, but I think he learned the lesson, or adapted / evolved with the changing times, learning this was something he may need to do now, to win.
I think Mourinho is different, in that I think his instinctive response to risk is caution. He has probably learned over the years the merits of attacking with abandon, of throwing caution to the wind - though I dont think he will necessarily feel the benefits of that approach justify a complete change of approach for him. His default setting is to play it safe, wait and see, give nothing away and wait for opportunities. He can throw caution to the wind when he perceives the risk to be small, for example when he is confident of his team's superiority on the pitch, liberating him from the need to nullify his opponents, or mitigate the perceived risks.
That for me is the essence - or at least part of the essence of the difference between the two managers. They share that pragmaticism as I said, the use of mindgames as one of the key weapons in their managerial arsenal, an ability to bond with their players in a way that resembles a family connection and many other traits that have often been discussed. I think there are some differences in terms of ability to be humble and to be generous with praise for opponents, which SAF seemed to have more than Mourinho, but I dont know how fundamental that is to who they are as managers. I think the key difference is their instincts, which are arguably diametrically opposed. I think that is why, despite them sharing aspects of their approach (counter attacking etc) and Mourinho having excellent, free scoring attacking teams, and SAF presiding over some very pedestrian championship-winning teams, they are still associated with different types of team: Mourinho with "parking the bus" and SAF with "playing football the right / the United way." It wasnt always true, but perhaps it is consistent with their instinctive approach to the game. Both have learned to approach the game in a more sophisticated way than to merely follow their instincts. In a way they have started in different places and moved towards each other, so the actual end product is far more similar than they look "under the hood" so to speak.
I dont know how right any of this is, it all made a lot of sense when I was stoned.
The starting off point is complete agreement (the thesis in a nutshell being, for anyone that missed it, that Mourinho is the closest thing there is in football today to SAF, in terms of mind games, pragmaticism and the determination to win superseding all other considerations - among other things.)
But I have been thinking about what the key differences are. I think in a way they are more interesting, because, to be honest, the similarities are more obvious. And I have decided what it comes down to more than anything else is their respective attitudes to risk. SAF "learned" pragmaticism, I think. No, I think he was always pragmatic to a certain extent but I think he learned over time, and especially in certain situations (like the CL), that he needed to curb his instincts in order to be successful - to be more pragmatic than he had been in the past. I think his instinct was to attack. I dont think it is necessarily about entertainment per se, tho Im sure he wanted to entertain. I think it is more what I said previously - the attitude to risk.
I think when SAF was faced with a challenge his instinct was to attack it. He understood in certain situations you needed to stay your hand, and I think the older he got the more his head ruled his heart, if you want to put it that way: he understood on a logical or intellectual level the merits of a more cagey, pragmatic approach, and he defaulted to it more and more. As you get older it is easier, I think, for your head to rule your heart, you become less impulsive and more measured. I think this is what happened with SAF. And I think actually the younger man, Mourinho, played a role in teaching him that lesson - as did many years of disappointment in the CL. I am thinking of the FA Cup final we lost against Chelsea as a particular example, as well as basically Mourinho getting the better of him for a sustained period when he arrived in England. I think that was a game changer for SAF. In the cup final, I mean, I think it was probably an eye opener, the extent to which Mourinho was willing to shut that game down in order to win it. SAF's instincts would not lead him to make that decision, but I think he learned the lesson, or adapted / evolved with the changing times, learning this was something he may need to do now, to win.
I think Mourinho is different, in that I think his instinctive response to risk is caution. He has probably learned over the years the merits of attacking with abandon, of throwing caution to the wind - though I dont think he will necessarily feel the benefits of that approach justify a complete change of approach for him. His default setting is to play it safe, wait and see, give nothing away and wait for opportunities. He can throw caution to the wind when he perceives the risk to be small, for example when he is confident of his team's superiority on the pitch, liberating him from the need to nullify his opponents, or mitigate the perceived risks.
That for me is the essence - or at least part of the essence of the difference between the two managers. They share that pragmaticism as I said, the use of mindgames as one of the key weapons in their managerial arsenal, an ability to bond with their players in a way that resembles a family connection and many other traits that have often been discussed. I think there are some differences in terms of ability to be humble and to be generous with praise for opponents, which SAF seemed to have more than Mourinho, but I dont know how fundamental that is to who they are as managers. I think the key difference is their instincts, which are arguably diametrically opposed. I think that is why, despite them sharing aspects of their approach (counter attacking etc) and Mourinho having excellent, free scoring attacking teams, and SAF presiding over some very pedestrian championship-winning teams, they are still associated with different types of team: Mourinho with "parking the bus" and SAF with "playing football the right / the United way." It wasnt always true, but perhaps it is consistent with their instinctive approach to the game. Both have learned to approach the game in a more sophisticated way than to merely follow their instincts. In a way they have started in different places and moved towards each other, so the actual end product is far more similar than they look "under the hood" so to speak.
I dont know how right any of this is, it all made a lot of sense when I was stoned.
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last week Alan Brazil on talksport, was saying the eye gouge was blown way out of proportion and people need to get over it, it wasn't that bad. Nearly crashed the car!Just go on the SSN app and the top story is Mourinho and Charlton meeting.
Skys Mourinho bum fest is brilliant. I bet it is really pissing off rival fans
José Mourinho promises he will not get personal with Pep Guardiola next season:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...p-guardiola-manchester-united-manchester-city
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...p-guardiola-manchester-united-manchester-city
This is not remotely true. Mou's answer downplays the threat Pep poses to his hopes of winning the league. Its a subtle slap and those slaps will become less subtle when the season returns.
Definitely looking forward to Mou upsetting people in his press conferences. Roll on August.
An interesting and well thought out post, I wish @Mockney post was still available to reply to as well.
Overall, I agree, in terms of similarities. There is so much revisionist history as well involved. People want to trace the heritage of the club from Busby to Ferguson framed in a tradition of "attacking football". Some don't have the slightest inkling about Busby's football. I certainly don't, besides a few old videos of Georgie Best. What I do remember is the very end of Big Ron and the beginning of SAF from there on. I do remember Nicky Butt (Legend) shutting people down in '99 and playing what purists would call the purest of anti-football. And loving every minute of it. He was inspired in '99.
Yes, I want attractive, attacking football. But I also remember some of our most attractive, attacking football falling a bit short too (Leverkeusen in the CL, Cantona's final season IIRC) when Christ I wished we'd just learned to shut matches down and advance at all costs.
It's all relative, but I can see the similarities, and the differences, in SAF and Mourinho. It has nothing to do with the history we've had. It's to do with the history we'll make.
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Does it mean this will return to entertain us :
Aren't they any good talents from the Portuguese league that would be a good signing for United?
Perhaps not right away,but over time.
Nicely put.
I have my doubts about Jose's sanity. Rumours that we have offered Carrick an extension and plan to let Blind and Mata go increase those doubts.
Yes, like Blind and Mata are world class players who can't be replaced.
We'd have no problems replacing the above two.
Mario Rosenstock's finest.
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