ODI Sheep draft time?

RDCR07 said:
Your "peak" can't be 10 games. It has to be a few more than that. Maybe 25-30?
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not possible in some cases i suppose. 15 tests would be almosts 2-3 years of cricket. 30 test peak effectively means you would need at least 4-5 years of top level cricket. I dont think a lot of players would have that. Even varun has said that leaving aside a 6 month purple patch, you neednt take a long peak. So a couple of years are fine i suppose.

Varun said:
Peak discounting a purple 6-12 month patch.
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Varun said:
Pitch info for the match ups.

1st test: Good batting pitch.

2nd test: Slow wicket which gets worse as the game goes on and will assist spinners heavily.

3rd test: Green top. Assists pace, seam and swing bowling.
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So, pitch that has bounce or does that come under the 3rd test criteria?
 
Anyway, who can I send my pick to?

Won't be online for a couple of hours.
 
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1. Harshad - 1. V Richards 2. A Kumble 3. A Roberts 4. B McCullum 5. H Amla 6. John Edrich 7. Jon Snow 8. G Turner 9. T Alderman

2. Skills - 1. I Khan 2. A Flower 3. C Walsh. 4. A Cook 5. M Hussey 6. J Root 7. Swann 8. M Asif 9. A Kallicharan

3. Anant/RD - 1. S Tendulkar 2. I Botham 3. S Pollock 4. M Clarke 5. D Warner 6. Harbhajan 7. D Amiss 8. R Herath 9. R Richardson

4. Interval - 1. J Kallis 2. A Border 3. G Greenidge 4.VVS Laxman 5. Saqlain Mushtaq 6. M Johnson 7. B Chandrasekhar 8. T Boult 9. S Jayasuriya

5. NM - 1. R Hadlee 2. G Chappell 3. G Boycott 4. J Gillespie 5. D Underwood 6. Anwar 7. M Prior 8. P Pollock 9. D Jones

6. Raees - 1. Lara 2. S Waugh 3. K Dev 4. B Willis 5. Inzamam Ul-Haq 6. A. Knott 7. Abdul Qadir 8. M Amarnath 9. A De Silva

7. Red Viper - 1. D Lillee 2. G Pollock 3. J Miandad 4. D Haynes 5. A Flintoff 6. C Cairns 7. E Prasanna 8. M Taylor 9. D Walters

8. Boycott - 1. M Marshall 2. R Dravid 3. K Pietersen 4. C Croft 5. B Lawry 6. M Azharuddin 7. S Broad 8. B Haddin 9. S Fleming 10. S MacGill

9. prath - 1. W Akram 2. J Garner 3. M Hayden 4. A Stewart 5. M Jayawardene 6. BS Bedi 7. S Smith 8. H Streak 9. Trott 10. A Iqbal

10. Akash - 1. M Muralidharan 2. S Gavaskar 3. S Akhtar 4. Younis Khan 5. M Crowe 6. D Gough 7. D Boon 8. J Dujon 9. C Hooper 10. Ryan Harris

11. RedTiger - 1. S Warne 2. A Gilchrist 3. G Smith 4. H Gibbs 5. D Vettori 6. C Vaas 7. M Ntini 8. A Mathews 9. Shakib 10. R Taylor

12. Chris Nelson - 1. R Ponting 2. J Anderson 3. M Boucher 4. Tony Greig 5. I Chappell 6. C McDermott 7. R Shastri 8. Zaheer Khan 9. M Hughes 10. M Atherton

13. Mani - 1. M Holding 2. W Younis 3. Clive Lloyd 4. J Langer 5. MS Dhoni 6. M Vaughan 7. M Waugh 8. M Morkel 9. Mushtaq Ahmed 10. D Martyn

14. Ijazz - 1. G McGrath 2. AB De Villiers 3. M Yousuf 4. J Thomson 5. G Kirsten 6. G Thorpe 7. K Williamson 8. B Lee 9. Iqbal Qasim 10. R Fredericks

15. Akshay - 1. C Ambrose 2. D Steyn 3. V Sehwag 4. G Gooch 5. D Gower 6. Z Abbas 7. R Ashwin 8. I Healy 9. S Ganguly 10. A Fraser

16. EAP - 1. A Donald 2. K Sangakkara 3. I Bishop 4. S Chanderpaul 5. V Philander 6. S Malik 7. S Watson 8. S Katich 9. R Harper 10. I Bell

@The Red Viper
 

One of the most skilled glovesmen in the history of the game and a flamboyant dashing batsman who had the audacity to attack the fast bowlers in a helmet-less era when majority of the batsmen used to duck against the bouncers. Considered by many as the best wicket-keeper batsman in the world during the 60s and 70s alongside the great Alan Knott.

The Brylcreem Boy

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FAROKH ENGINEER

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1. Harshad - 1. V Richards 2. A Kumble 3. A Roberts 4. B McCullum 5. H Amla 6. John Edrich 7. Jon Snow 8. G Turner 9. T Alderman

2. Skills - 1. I Khan 2. A Flower 3. C Walsh. 4. A Cook 5. M Hussey 6. J Root 7. Swann 8. M Asif 9. A Kallicharan

3. Anant/RD - 1. S Tendulkar 2. I Botham 3. S Pollock 4. M Clarke 5. D Warner 6. Harbhajan 7. D Amiss 8. R Herath 9. R Richardson

4. Interval - 1. J Kallis 2. A Border 3. G Greenidge 4.VVS Laxman 5. Saqlain Mushtaq 6. M Johnson 7. B Chandrasekhar 8. T Boult 9. S Jayasuriya

5. NM - 1. R Hadlee 2. G Chappell 3. G Boycott 4. J Gillespie 5. D Underwood 6. Anwar 7. M Prior 8. P Pollock 9. D Jones

6. Raees - 1. Lara 2. S Waugh 3. K Dev 4. B Willis 5. Inzamam Ul-Haq 6. A. Knott 7. Abdul Qadir 8. M Amarnath 9. A De Silva

7. Red Viper - 1. D Lillee 2. G Pollock 3. J Miandad 4. D Haynes 5. A Flintoff 6. C Cairns 7. E Prasanna 8. M Taylor 9. D Walters 10. F Engineer

8. Boycott - 1. M Marshall 2. R Dravid 3. K Pietersen 4. C Croft 5. B Lawry 6. M Azharuddin 7. S Broad 8. B Haddin 9. S Fleming 10. S MacGill

9. prath - 1. W Akram 2. J Garner 3. M Hayden 4. A Stewart 5. M Jayawardene 6. BS Bedi 7. S Smith 8. H Streak 9. Trott 10. A Iqbal

10. Akash - 1. M Muralidharan 2. S Gavaskar 3. S Akhtar 4. Younis Khan 5. M Crowe 6. D Gough 7. D Boon 8. J Dujon 9. C Hooper 10. Ryan Harris

11. RedTiger - 1. S Warne 2. A Gilchrist 3. G Smith 4. H Gibbs 5. D Vettori 6. C Vaas 7. M Ntini 8. A Mathews 9. Shakib 10. R Taylor

12. Chris Nelson - 1. R Ponting 2. J Anderson 3. M Boucher 4. Tony Greig 5. I Chappell 6. C McDermott 7. R Shastri 8. Zaheer Khan 9. M Hughes 10. M Atherton

13. Mani - 1. M Holding 2. W Younis 3. Clive Lloyd 4. J Langer 5. MS Dhoni 6. M Vaughan 7. M Waugh 8. M Morkel 9. Mushtaq Ahmed 10. D Martyn

14. Ijazz - 1. G McGrath 2. AB De Villiers 3. M Yousuf 4. J Thomson 5. G Kirsten 6. G Thorpe 7. K Williamson 8. B Lee 9. Iqbal Qasim 10. R Fredericks

15. Akshay - 1. C Ambrose 2. D Steyn 3. V Sehwag 4. G Gooch 5. D Gower 6. Z Abbas 7. R Ashwin 8. I Healy 9. S Ganguly 10. A Fraser

16. EAP - 1. A Donald 2. K Sangakkara 3. I Bishop 4. S Chanderpaul 5. V Philander 6. S Malik 7. S Watson 8. S Katich 9. R Harper 10. I Bell

@Raees
 
Garth McKenzie (246 Test Wickets @29.78)

McKenzie was particularly noted for his muscular physique (hence his nickname) and ability to take wickets on good batting tracks.

Graham McKenzie's easy approach and well-oiled action were deceptive: he hit the pitch, the bat, and sometimes batsmen very hard indeed. Picked on his first Ashes tour as a teenager in 1961, he impressed at once with his pace and poise; nothing seemed to ruffle him, although when stirred he possessed a wicked bouncer. By the age of 23, he had 100 Test wickets; by the age of 27y 200 - this despite a general lack of support and an era of benign pitches.

He was a Wisden Cricketer of the Year in 1965. He succeeded Alan Davidson as Australia's premier fast bowler and was in turn succeeded by Dennis Lillee,

McKenzie announced his arrival in India in the very first Test he played in 1964, when he took 10 wickets in the match to help Australia win. His overall record against India is impressive: 34 wickets in eight matches at an average of 19.26. He is one of the six visiting fast bowlers who have managed to take three fifers and one 10-wicket match-haul in India.
 
1. Harshad - 1. V Richards 2. A Kumble 3. A Roberts 4. B McCullum 5. H Amla 6. John Edrich 7. Jon Snow 8. G Turner 9. T Alderman

2. Skills - 1. I Khan 2. A Flower 3. C Walsh. 4. A Cook 5. M Hussey 6. J Root 7. Swann 8. M Asif 9. A Kallicharan

3. Anant/RD - 1. S Tendulkar 2. I Botham 3. S Pollock 4. M Clarke 5. D Warner 6. Harbhajan 7. D Amiss 8. R Herath 9. R Richardson

4. Interval - 1. J Kallis 2. A Border 3. G Greenidge 4.VVS Laxman 5. Saqlain Mushtaq 6. M Johnson 7. B Chandrasekhar 8. T Boult 9. S Jayasuriya

5. NM - 1. R Hadlee 2. G Chappell 3. G Boycott 4. J Gillespie 5. D Underwood 6. Anwar 7. M Prior 8. P Pollock 9. D Jones

6. Raees - 1. Lara 2. S Waugh 3. K Dev 4. B Willis 5. Inzamam Ul-Haq 6. A. Knott 7. Abdul Qadir 8. M Amarnath 9. A De Silva 10. McKenzie

7. Red Viper - 1. D Lillee 2. G Pollock 3. J Miandad 4. D Haynes 5. A Flintoff 6. C Cairns 7. E Prasanna 8. M Taylor 9. D Walters 10. F Engineer

8. Boycott - 1. M Marshall 2. R Dravid 3. K Pietersen 4. C Croft 5. B Lawry 6. M Azharuddin 7. S Broad 8. B Haddin 9. S Fleming 10. S MacGill

9. prath - 1. W Akram 2. J Garner 3. M Hayden 4. A Stewart 5. M Jayawardene 6. BS Bedi 7. S Smith 8. H Streak 9. Trott 10. A Iqbal

10. Akash - 1. M Muralidharan 2. S Gavaskar 3. S Akhtar 4. Younis Khan 5. M Crowe 6. D Gough 7. D Boon 8. J Dujon 9. C Hooper 10. Ryan Harris

11. RedTiger - 1. S Warne 2. A Gilchrist 3. G Smith 4. H Gibbs 5. D Vettori 6. C Vaas 7. M Ntini 8. A Mathews 9. Shakib 10. R Taylor

12. Chris Nelson - 1. R Ponting 2. J Anderson 3. M Boucher 4. Tony Greig 5. I Chappell 6. C McDermott 7. R Shastri 8. Zaheer Khan 9. M Hughes 10. M Atherton

13. Mani - 1. M Holding 2. W Younis 3. Clive Lloyd 4. J Langer 5. MS Dhoni 6. M Vaughan 7. M Waugh 8. M Morkel 9. Mushtaq Ahmed 10. D Martyn

14. Ijazz - 1. G McGrath 2. AB De Villiers 3. M Yousuf 4. J Thomson 5. G Kirsten 6. G Thorpe 7. K Williamson 8. B Lee 9. Iqbal Qasim 10. R Fredericks

15. Akshay - 1. C Ambrose 2. D Steyn 3. V Sehwag 4. G Gooch 5. D Gower 6. Z Abbas 7. R Ashwin 8. I Healy 9. S Ganguly 10. A Fraser

16. EAP - 1. A Donald 2. K Sangakkara 3. I Bishop 4. S Chanderpaul 5. V Philander 6. S Malik 7. S Watson 8. S Katich 9. R Harper 10. I Bell

@NM
 
Quick query, I am aware of Arivinda De Silva's prominence in the one day game but in terms of tests, those of you who are older and long term watchers from the Sub Continent.. how was he during test series, and how was he rated at the time?
 
Raees said:
Quick query, I am aware of Arivinda De Silva's prominence in the one day game but in terms of tests, those of you who are older and long term watchers from the Sub Continent.. how was he during test series, and how was he rated at the time?
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Like all heavy batted, hard handed, back-foot oriented subcontinental players, he used to struggle against pace and swing. Used to love the cuts. My recollection of him was that ridiculous patch that he had against India (sometime after the 1996 world cup) where he was impossible to get out. But that was largely in home conditions (somewhere in the subcontinent IIRC).

That's my vague memory of him. That Sri Lankan team used to toy with India. I recall Mahanama and Jaya playing for 3 days straight and scoring some 500+ runs.

I used to love Aravinda in ODIs.

EDIT: Net net very decent player in Tests as long as the conditions are ideal.
 
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1. Harshad - 1. V Richards 2. A Kumble 3. A Roberts 4. B McCullum 5. H Amla 6. John Edrich 7. Jon Snow 8. G Turner 9. T Alderman

2. Skills - 1. I Khan 2. A Flower 3. C Walsh. 4. A Cook 5. M Hussey 6. J Root 7. Swann 8. M Asif 9. A Kallicharan

3. Anant/RD - 1. S Tendulkar 2. I Botham 3. S Pollock 4. M Clarke 5. D Warner 6. Harbhajan 7. D Amiss 8. R Herath 9. R Richardson

4. Interval - 1. J Kallis 2. A Border 3. G Greenidge 4.VVS Laxman 5. Saqlain Mushtaq 6. M Johnson 7. B Chandrasekhar 8. T Boult 9. S Jayasuriya 10. D Vengsarkar

5. NM - 1. R Hadlee 2. G Chappell 3. G Boycott 4. J Gillespie 5. D Underwood 6. Anwar 7. M Prior 8. P Pollock 9. D Jones 10. D Cullinan

6. Raees - 1. Lara 2. S Waugh 3. K Dev 4. B Willis 5. Inzamam Ul-Haq 6. A. Knott 7. Abdul Qadir 8. M Amarnath 9. A De Silva 10. McKenzie

7. Red Viper - 1. D Lillee 2. G Pollock 3. J Miandad 4. D Haynes 5. A Flintoff 6. C Cairns 7. E Prasanna 8. M Taylor 9. D Walters 10. F Engineer

8. Boycott - 1. M Marshall 2. R Dravid 3. K Pietersen 4. C Croft 5. B Lawry 6. M Azharuddin 7. S Broad 8. B Haddin 9. S Fleming 10. S MacGill

9. prath - 1. W Akram 2. J Garner 3. M Hayden 4. A Stewart 5. M Jayawardene 6. BS Bedi 7. S Smith 8. H Streak 9. Trott 10. A Iqbal

10. Akash - 1. M Muralidharan 2. S Gavaskar 3. S Akhtar 4. Younis Khan 5. M Crowe 6. D Gough 7. D Boon 8. J Dujon 9. C Hooper 10. Ryan Harris

11. RedTiger - 1. S Warne 2. A Gilchrist 3. G Smith 4. H Gibbs 5. D Vettori 6. C Vaas 7. M Ntini 8. A Mathews 9. Shakib 10. R Taylor

12. Chris Nelson - 1. R Ponting 2. J Anderson 3. M Boucher 4. Tony Greig 5. I Chappell 6. C McDermott 7. R Shastri 8. Zaheer Khan 9. M Hughes 10. M Atherton

13. Mani - 1. M Holding 2. W Younis 3. Clive Lloyd 4. J Langer 5. MS Dhoni 6. M Vaughan 7. M Waugh 8. M Morkel 9. Mushtaq Ahmed 10. D Martyn

14. Ijazz - 1. G McGrath 2. AB De Villiers 3. M Yousuf 4. J Thomson 5. G Kirsten 6. G Thorpe 7. K Williamson 8. B Lee 9. Iqbal Qasim 10. R Fredericks

15. Akshay - 1. C Ambrose 2. D Steyn 3. V Sehwag 4. G Gooch 5. D Gower 6. Z Abbas 7. R Ashwin 8. I Healy 9. S Ganguly 10. A Fraser

16. EAP - 1. A Donald 2. K Sangakkara 3. I Bishop 4. S Chanderpaul 5. V Philander 6. S Malik 7. S Watson 8. S Katich 9. R Harper 10. I Bell

@RDCR07 @anant
 
@Interval (some quotes from the internet)

Even now, de Silva's ability to rock onto the back foot and pull the quickest of bowlers is reminisced fondly by fans. For a period of time, de Silva was criticised for throwing his wicket away. However, he matured as a batsman and became one of the lynchpins of the batting line-up.

But he was one of the best players of fast and intimidating bowling of his era, let it be at his head or at his toes. He got more on his toes, as he played Pakistan more and WI didn't play a test until 1994 with SL. The very few short balls from Ambrose and Walsh in those matches, were dismissed from the presence, these two awesome bowlers were not prepared to test him furger on the pull and the hook.

What I remember is Aravinda was a great back foot player and took on top quality fast bowlers against whom Inzamam struggled. I don't care what the stats say, I'm relying on my eyes and memory.

People have praised Inzy for his ability to play fast bowling. But Aravinda de silva for me is the greatest player of pace bowling ever (certainly in his era). You only have to look at the number of centuries he racked up against Pakistan - who boasted the likes of Waqar and Wasim in their primes. I still remember him securing his first century against Pakistan by hitting a six of Imran Khan bouncer on 94*. He abused Mohammed Zahid (widely considered by many to be the fastest bowler of all time) and savaged Brett Lee in his "twilight" in WC 2003- hitting him all over centurion. Nobody could pull or hook like De Silva as testified by ******* who rates him as the best player of fast bowling.
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Based on that and on his record v Pakistan.. he was not fearful of pace but perhaps was reckless and didn't demonstrate consistency in general?
 
Raees said:
@Interval (some quotes from the internet)



Based on that and on his record v Pakistan.. he was not fearful of pace but perhaps was reckless and didn't demonstrate consistency in general?
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Yeah. Like I said, I was talking from my memory. That's a pretty one sided view, if you ask me. What the comment is right about is - (1) he was never intimidated; (2) he could pull very well;

He really wasn't all that against swing. IIRC, he used to get out a lot on bouncers on offstump moving away (where he couldn't hook or got out hooking) and trying to cut on outswingers.

Maybe @crappycraperson can chip in on this one.
 
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Yeah. Like I said, I was talking from my memory. That's a pretty one sided view, if you ask me. What the comment is right about is - (1) he was never intimidated; (2) he could pull very well;

He really wasn't all that against swing. IIRC, he used to get out a lot on bouncers on offstump moving away (where he couldn't hook or got out hooking) and trying to cut on outswingers.

Maybe @crappycraperson can chip in on this one.
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Ah okay thanks for explaining that.. Great pick with Vengsarkar by the way, it was between him and Amarnath for me..was very undecided. From what I've read, seriously classy batsman.
 
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