@Varun ,IMO, Zaheer/M.Crowe/Bevan these 3 are good enough to chase, you have two strike bowlers but not economical they might get you early wkt but they are certain to concede here.
ODI Cricket Draft QF 1: Samid vs Aldo
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Lol, I think you are underestimating Greenidge a little mate. He was a fantastic opener, not just in Tests, but he made the transition to ODI's just as easily. I know his Strike rate is a little slower, but those days games were 60 over matches if I am not mistaken. I would easily add another 10 to his SR.
You already admit 3-4 is probably slightly in his favour, so no point bringing it up again.
And I already said LMO is in your favour. It's just that I rate Bevan very highly. He was very good in his prime. Calling him good is an understatement. How many times have we seen him chase down a score with someone like Warne, Fleming at the other end.
And dude, Gilly averages 96 runs per 100 balls and Abbas averages 84 per 100. Don't know why you think it would be a problem. If you think Younis could do well in his more natural conditions, think what Abbas can do!. Granted he doesn't have the big hitters in the end, and I don't rate Collingwood so much either. But if that top 4 plays it's natural game, then I don't see why Bevan can't finish the game off. You have two excellent death bowlers, no doubt about that, but I think Bevan can deal with them. Not so sure about the other batsmen who will partner him.
If we get early wickets, who is going to score the runs at a good pace to keep the RRR down for bevan to finish things off?
Adding 10 to 60 brings it to 70 which brings me back to the point about Gilly needing to score a century for Samid to have a chance in this game. I didn't say 3-4 in his favor, I said it's equal. We have the 1 and 4, he has the 2 and 3.
I didn't call bevan good, I clad him great. Yet, he cannot finish off the match on his own with a non existent lower order and tail. He won't be chasing a small total.
Gilly and abbas aren't the problem. Right from the start, I have acknowledged them as players who bat at a good pace. That is why I have highlighted how they must fire to chase the total down because the other players there aren't going to score quickly. This is why I pointed out that our wicket taking opening bowlers are so important. Even if it's say, 50/3 in 6 overs, it will be advantage us. We can afford for Malinga to go at 6 an over in his first spell if he gets a couple because abbas and Gilly are very very important to Samid, not just because of their quality but to make up for the slow rate at which the others score.
Lets assume if you get Gilly and Zaheer , he still got GG/M.Crowe and Bevan to see this through, I dont rate Paul but still he can be perfect support cast to Bevan.Middle overs are crucial and you rely on part timers in these type of pitches exactly were you will see more runs getting leaked.
He used to do this all the time tbf. I remember two games where he faced NZ which had Bond and he set up finishes with support from Bichel or Hogg or someone and Lee. Jadeja is a better bat than any of them.
Bevan is coming in at 6. If we get Gilly and abbas, his batters till 5 will result in a very high reqd rate. Crowe was stylish as feck but not a quick scorer. Collingwood doesn't score at a brisk pace either. There's not much batting after bevan.
Larsen was an absolute miser. Never gave runs away. Yuvi and symonds are good enough in these conditions too. We don't ask them to get us 5 wickets, just bowl decently in their overs and keep things going. As much as Samid might say it, there's no way they can dream of scoring 7 an over vs these 3.
Can't comment on couple of games especially as I haven't seen them but I'm talking in general. His batting isn't deep enough and we have excellent death over bowlers. Considering the reqd rate would be high at the time, it won't be easy even for bevan.
I really doubt it would ever be 50/3 at any point. The game's lost if it ever gets to that stage, for either teams. And I doubt Malinga would give you the break you require in his opening spell. On dead pitches like this, he could struggle. What length will he bowl in that first spell ? Length ? Short of Legth ? Full pitched?. He's not going to get any swing or bounce for the first two and will probably be comfortably dealt with. If he bowls full, he could probably cause a little more effect, but then again never seen him bowl that early on. If he bowls those slower variations of his though, then I think he could do well.
Incredible. I keep proving you wrong but for some reason both of you are still under the impression that I have slow scorers. I'll keep repeating myself:
Zaheer Abbas aka Asian Bradman played only 26 games in Pakistan but here are his centuries:
123 (87)
109 (95)
118 (86)
105 (82)
113 (99)
Here you are seeing Abbas show no respect to Garner and Marshall.
So your argument for Younis is that he is playing in conditions he was brought up in. What about Abbas then? Abbas has 5 centuries in 26 games in Pakistan, all at a SR better than 110. Khan has played 110 games in Ind, Pak, SL and has 3 centuries. You say Younis excels in these conditions. What's your view on Abbas then? He would murder your part timers.
"Short batting lineup", as if we are playing on a green top. It's a flat wicket. You don't need more than 7 batsmen on flat tracks.
What false impression? That Yuvi bowls 17 deliveries per match but here he will be the main spinner bowling 48 deliveries? And that Jadeja who bowls 49 deliveries per match is my second spinner, a support act for Qadir?
Your spinning options on a spinning track are laughable.
Given my openers average 40 @ 101 and 49 @ 65 while chasing you won't be making any inroads during the field restrictions. If Gilly or Abbas get going they will make a mockery of the required rate.
Again it all depends on by what time your strike bowler have his wkt, if its by 9th or 10th over then it wouldn't be much harder of the rest who follow up.
Larsen in 90's was average bowler,not economical..He might or might not get you wkts but batsmen might not have any pressure to see through him.
You haven't seen much of Bevan then.
vs Windies: Ambrose, Walsh, Harper were bowling on a difficult pitch. Low scoring match. Bevan saw Australia home with a last ball 4. Scorecard.
vs New Zealand: Bond, Vettori, Harris, Astle. Came in at a stage where the required rate was 5.50. Saw his side home batting with the tail. Scorecard.
vs Pakistan: Akram, Younis, 2xMusthaq, Afridi. Unbeaten 79 in an incredibly low scoring match. Scorecard.
vs India: Srinath, Zaheer, Agarkar, Harbhajan. Came in with 200 required, went not out. Scorecard.
vs South Africa: Pollock, Donald, Cronje, Kallis. Came in at 80/3, chased down 287 with ease. Scorecard.
vs England: Caddick, Anderson, Flintoff. Top order crumbling again and once again batting with the tail? No problemo! Scorecard.
For Rest of World vs Asia XI: Akram, Vaas, Razzaq, Kumble and Murali in subcontinental conditions. Unbeaten 185 chasing a total of 320 and falling one run behind. Scorecard.
You keep talking about the batting not being deep enough. Jadeja at 7 averages 32 and Qadir at 8 was no mug. Bevan has more than enough support considering the conditions.
On flat, spinning wickets it's not about who has the deepest batting lineup. It's about who has the better spinners. Qadir had it all. Variations, flippers, googlies.
Qadir is the trump spinner in this game and even my second spinner is better than both your part timers. I can totally see why you keep diverting attention from the spin discussion over to the deepness of the batting lineups.
One thing I've noticed is that while Larsen will be bowling his full quota or thereabouts, Collingwood who is no worse a bowler won't be required.
I think that shows the quality of bowling options to Samid's disposal. On a flat deck with little seam will Larsen be that useful against those batsmen?
I think that shows the quality of bowling options to Samid's disposal. On a flat deck with little seam will Larsen be that useful against those batsmen?
I agree that Bevan alone should not mean that he can finish any chase but he kind of specialized in batting with the lower order and the tail. Have been seen any batsmen ever do it as well as he did.
I am leaning slightly towards Samid here.
baah, this match is too difficult to make mind up on.
Why has Aldo voted for Samid?
Varun voted for Aldo to balance it up.Its an old draft tactic, his vote doesnt count and he is hoping for sympathy/draw votes. Really pulling out of all the stops here.
I think Samid shades this one as I think the pitch favours his team more. It is perfect for Abdul Qadir and Zaheer Abbas. Garner is the best bowler of the lot and Qadir will throttle Sangakkara/Younis to a great extent. I don't see Aldo getting a super high total here. It will be within a reasonable chase. Sachin obviously is the best batsman of the lot, but Zaheer will have a nice role for Samid too. Key would be how likely is Samid to lose an early wicket? Have to give this to Samid.
Zaheer isn't playing.
Edit: Ignore that, thought you had missed him dropping Zak.
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Don't deny that but it's tougher to do with a longer tail with bond and Malinga at the death.
I haven't diverted attention anywhere. I disagree about jadeja as I have already stated. Qadir is easily the best spinner here, no arguments.
I have seen plenty of bevan, thanks.
Don't think I've ever called abbas slow so I'm not sure why you're claiming that. I've actually named him after Gilly as the guy who can score at a good rate.
You have Collingwood at 5, it is a short lineup and lacks a hitter or 2 to finish things off.
Yuvi vs jadeja thing has been done to death, won't repeat myself. You're ignoring what I have already said and repeating your original point.
" You won't make early inroads" is just a bizarre thing to say when you are up against 2 wicket takers of high quality. I could say the same for Garner but it'd just be stupid so I won't.
Malinga what been brought up in these conditions. Why would he struggle?
Doesn't necessarily mean he would be ace in it either. His record in the asia is pretty averaage to be honest.
Yeah, doesn't mean he'd be ace but it's a very good record for a pacer given how flat the tracks are. Especially one that bowls right at the start and end of the match when the batsmen attack the most.
True. but you saw how Gilly ripped him apart in 2007 finals. So that's the start gone and as for death, It depends how effective he is with his slower variations.
Then I genuinely don't know who you are talking about. Who is slow in my batting order? It's not Gilchrist, Abbas nor Crowe. Bevan can chase any target, he builds his innings according to the match situation and the required run rate.
How is Collingwood at 5 a weakness? His average at 5 is 43 @ 82.
Well you are ignoring my point about you not having any genuine spinners on a spinning track.
You're building up your opening bowlers as if we are playing on a minefield and they will rip through the batting. They won't. It's a flat wicket.
My god. Why does every game I play go to a tie?
2 votes in the last 2mins btw. 
It's a tie. Usual Best of 3. I wish I didn't have to vote. But I vote Samid. Sorry Ando.
You need to get your tagline changed asap. 3 ties in 5 games now is it ?2 votes in the last 2mins btw.
im voting,..
Yep.
Once again @Varun it's you.