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ODI Cricket Draft QF 1: Samid vs Aldo
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Selective stats, again.
Can you also post Ntini, Garner and Morkel's number using the exact same filter?
That's very harsh on Jadeja. Average of 30+ and ten 50s in his short career so far. He is no mug. His role will be supporting Bevan on a flat track which he is more than capable of handling.
I like Zak but Ntini is the superior bowler. Even in these conditions.
That's fine, but what about the fact that there's little assistance for pace and bounce and you have decided to bowl first with your bowler's main strength being his height and the bounce he can generate? What about the fact that batting first on a batting friendly pitch will play in the hands of my all time great top order? Or the fact that none of your players bar your openers can score quickly at the end?
I would have taken the bat, or any captain on this pitch for that matter.
Larsen the Postman is Aldo's main spinner.
Hot, dry conditions which favors spin. Probably a slow outfield, too. I imagine something like the Premadasa. Always hard to score at a high rate on those wickets, if you take too many risks you will just get out to the spinners. It's mostly about rotating the strike and patiently finding the gaps.
You're the one bragging about good economies yet 22 of your 50 bowlers will be bowled by either part timers or a loose cannon (Malinga) who is a hit or miss bowler.
Zak took 21 wickets in the World Cup 2011 and quite often bowls in slower wickets like these. Ntini is good but Zak was a no brainer here.
@Akshay what does the simulator says?
Agree with this, the conditions suited him perfectly. Could have even dropped morkel ahead of him.
I've agreed not to publish its results in these threads. It was felt that it was being too influential, when it was just meant to be a bit of fun.
Thats the silliest thing I have heard in a while, pm me?He used to bowl spin ? Thought he was just a medium pacer.
You know, you are right. I think I have confused him with someone else. My bad.
Simulator is one hell of a development but it can only show statistical advantage.cant read a lot into it. Won't take into account pitch conditions and stuff (unless we give him data for that). For instance The simulation would show Joel garner being the best bowler due to his stats even though it's not likely in pitches like these.
Yeah I know and so does everyone else. It's just something for fun, not to base a vote on
I don't think it's as extreme as the premadasa. More an Indian pitch. In any case these pitches are very good to bat in the first innings. It's the 2nd innings where batting gets tough.
He's not a hit and miss by any account. Less so in these conditions.
Again, what are your bowlers doing to stop my top order, the ones who have been asked to bowl first by their captain in these conditions, where they won't be able to generate the required pace and bounce?
It's relative, man. I have to score more runs than you to win, that's it.
Now, please, your bowling averages and economies in the exact same situation?
But i love to see those at end of every match, hope there wouldn't be much issue with that.
Yeah, that's true. Definitely prefer to bat first on those pitches.
Also impacts the usefulness of bowlers like Qadir, larsen, yuvi, Symonds, jadeja etc. Each of them would be more effective in the 2nd innings with the pitch getting slower.
If Gilly could bat for 20 ov this ones over, but I'm not so sure he could in these conditions. Can see Symonds and Boucher slogging Aldo to a decent total in the final 5 and then his team being able to defend it. Malinga has to be one of the best death bowlers ever and rarely goes for shit loads. If Samid was behind the rate with Malinga coming back on I just can't see him pulling it off. Aldo for me.
I don't think Larsen would provide much impact but certainly rest would.Ball not coming into the bat properly the timing gets missed etc.
Samid deciding to field first doesn't help him much here.
I don't see how the pitch would get slower in the 2nd innings tbh. It's just a 100 over game. It's likely to stay the same through the day.
Larsen was an absolute miser and very tough to score off. These conditions play right into his hands. We don't require or expect him to pick 5 wkts here but the role he needs to execute, he's superb at.
It doesn't normally as we have seen in the matches in the subcontinent. Not talking about the dharamshalas of this world obviously.
Not slow as in tests, but it will tougher to score as the match progresses as the wicket is completely dry and has no grass to hold it together.
When chasing a big target it certainly makes a difference.
Don't rate Larsen at all. Despite that Team Ando is better but the conditions are a great equalizer in this match up. Yuvraj did well in the WC as a pinner for India but I would still be uneasy relying on him as the main spinner. Both Gilly and Greenidge are likely to see off Malinga and Bond on such a wicket and after that it is hard to see a bowler in Ando's 11 who can dislodge either of them or stop at least one from building a big score.
On the other hand, Garner vs Sachin/Waugh ,..mmmmm ...
On the other hand, Garner vs Sachin/Waugh ,..mmmmm ...
Pitch won't get slower considerably, yes. But hot and humid conditions and dry pitch with no grass, it can open up as game progresses. Spinners bowling second are more likely to get more from that wicket than spinners bowling first. I think if Samid was batting first and with Qadir and Jadeja, I would have voted for him by now. I will think over now because none of Symonds, Yuvraj, M.Waugh, Sachin etc are top quality spinners. Larsen can be useful with his slow cutters but Samid has strong enough batting to cope with them collectively. It will come down to how much can they restrict team Ando to. If I draw parallel with 96 semis at Eden Gardens, SL in the end got to 251. India had done well against pacers in chase initially. Yea the guy who did it is in opposite camp if we draw analogy
but if Samid can restrict Ando to 230 odd, they have chance. Team Ando's spin/slow bowling is nowhere near that SL team bowling who were always going to be impossible to play against on that pitch. Fookin Azhar screwed it up!Back to this game, I will just think on how many team Ando will get. Samid's team will find anything above 260 tough.
So if we can see Garner off - which is easier to see off two bowlers bowling in tandem against one great bowler while the other let's you off - who can dislodge Sachin, Waugh or Sanga? Despite his opening pair being great, I still have the better one, without question. An addition, the second highest scorer of all time is coming in at number 3. I have one more world class strike bowler and one more world class top order batsman for him to compete with.
Now factor in the fact that Garner's strengths are possible to be reduced by the lack of assistance while someone like Malinga is pretty much a local boy here.
Now factor in that my lower order is much better in scoring quickly and in a run-fest that would matter.
Applying your logic, my side comes out with an upper hand in both departments.
My top order has 92 centuries between them, Sanga and Tendulkar alone have close to 200 50s between them, as good as his opening pair is, my top order is better, and is batting first.
Yep especially in those seam assisted condition,but these sub continent condition never been great place to those medium pacers,since you are not expecting him to be the lead bowler and you are going to use him partially he can extend the support you are looking at.
Spot on. It's just an idiotic cliche commentators use when team batting second fecks up the chase. People are acting as if it is a fresh day 1 pitch in the first innings and a dry day 5 pitch in the second innings.
I believe they use heavy rollers between innings in ODIs as well which brings more moisture to the top and gets rid of any dryness.
He wasn't a medium pacer that depended on swing or seam conditions mate. Lots of change of pace and off cutters was his forge. This sort of a pitch is perfect for him. And yes, we will use him in the middle overs to squeeze things.
Malinga's avg in Asia is slightly worse than his overall. His econ in India is 5.38 and in SL is 5.13. He concedes at rate of 5+ against almost every test country. I think overall you are rating him higher than how good he is. He can have one of his death over spells but if one of your top 2 bowler is having career economy above 5, it doesn't look good.
I hear what you are saying.. but Bevan is a better lower order batsmen that either Yuvi or Symonds. Infact he is still probably a shoe in for any ODI 11 for that position. He is a good player to have a finisher in such a chase.
But yeah.. the game probably boils down to the battle between Garner and the top 3. He needs to dislodge at least 2 of those for Samid to have a shot here.
What we need off him is wickets TMH, doesn't matter if he gives away a few at the start because of how dependant Samid is on his openers. When it comes to this, he's one the best. Always always takes wickets.
Ok, let's ask you something else. Who is going to finish the innings against a high req RR for you? I have Symonds coming in at 6, Collingwood is a far cry from the force Symonds was at his pomp, a true game changer in every field. I said this in the last game as well, I have world class finisher who will make a tremendous difference. They score consistently, and big. I love Bevan and he'll do his best here, but against an increasing run rate against miserly bowlers like Streak and Larsen and bowlers like Malinga who have a history of choking the score at the death with those unplayable yorkers delivered by that odd to track action, plenty of batsmen have failed against that. The man was a match winner at his peak, and he is in near home conditions here, I can easily make a claim that he's bound to end this game with the most impact out of all pacers, on his day he's seriously damaging to any batting line up, and SL's ODI success in reaching those WC finals was on the back of him being the strike bowler.
I am applying pressure from all directions and you have given me an opportunity to get a first go on this pitch and make a big score.
Best opener, finisher and bowler in Samid's team.
(2nd) Best ODI batsman of all time in Aldo's team.
What will be the impact of spinners to the teams?
(2nd) Best ODI batsman of all time in Aldo's team.
What will be the impact of spinners to the teams?
How can both even be true?
Opener??
Looks like the subcontinent has gone to sleep..