Obtainable Attackers

bucky said:
He's young to get enough games out of him. I'd worry about that, when he's had a massive injury or when he's 30.
Click to expand...

Globule said:
Haha, Rooney's drop off has made us suspicious of bulky players :)
Lukaku's 22, we'd get plenty of use out of him before he declined.
Click to expand...


He is young but he'd need top keep on top of his fitness work with complete professionalism given his bulk I think, it wouldn't take a lot for him to become cumbersome.
 
Devil may care said:
He is young but he'd need top keep on top of his fitness work with complete professionalism given his bulk I think, it wouldn't take a lot for him to become cumbersome.
Click to expand...

Bit odd considering how fit he is and has been.
 
bucky said:
Bit odd considering how fit he is and has been.
Click to expand...

Odd in what way? I am just saying that I imagine it is quite time consuming for him to stay in peak shape given his mass and that he could easily fall off in that regard.
 
For what it's worth Batshuayi could be another striker who could improve us.
 
bucky said:
Because you worry about something that doesn't need worrying about. As far as I know he hasn't had a lot injury problems and looks in great shape.

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgu...d=0ahUKEwiN7cWbxrbJAhWDXSwKHfaKCvEQrQMI0QEwMg
Click to expand...

I think you always need to worry about aspects that can become problems when signing a player, like Fergie opting agaisnt Henderson due to his running gait, little details are factors in buying players for massive amounts, I mean Lukaku is likely to cost £50M at this point given what Everton paid for him.
 
I don't think we should and I don't think we will make a major signing in the next 18 months unless it's pretty clear that Giggs is our next manager. It's generally not a great idea to buy players and then replace the manager. It doesn't matter how good the player is, if the manager doesn't like that player or vice versa there will be a problem.
 
Snow said:
I don't think we should and I don't think we will make a major signing in the next 18 months unless it's pretty clear that Giggs is our next manager. It's generally not a great idea to buy players and then replace the manager. It doesn't matter how good the player is, if the manager doesn't like that player or vice versa there will be a problem.
Click to expand...
I don't think Giggs will be our next manager and LVG has said several times that he wants more players. I am sure more will arrive.
 
Another option for us on the wings would be Yarmolenko. Far better then what we have, 26, scores 20 a season I'm pretty sure. Great in FM of course. Konoplyanka was another option but he joined Sevilla, but I think he has a pretty affordable release clause anyway if he's good enough. Sure, maybe there isn't ready made world class players available, but that's extremely rare anyways. You have to take punts on good players who have it in them to make the step up in a bigger club to become that top player.
 
Adisa said:
I don't think Giggs will be our next manager and LVG has said several times that he wants more players. I am sure more will arrive.
Click to expand...
I also think more players will arrive but I'm not sure that will fix anything besides for the next season. A season after the next the same problem will come again.
 
Auba is class but he wouldn't shine as much in our slow and tumescent side. Dortmunds fast pace suit him to a tee. Ideally we'd change the way we play to replicate Dortmund.

More realistically, Kane is the ideal partner for Martial.
 
Not forcing a 19 year old to carry Rooney through every game would be a start.

Giving Memphis a fair run in a position where he can score goals is another.

It doesn't matter who we sign, van Gaal will feck it up. di Maria was everything we needed and under Fergie we'd have won the title with him.
 
Devil may care said:
I think you always need to worry about aspects that can become problems when signing a player, like Fergie opting agaisnt Henderson due to his running gait, little details are factors in buying players for massive amounts, I mean Lukaku is likely to cost £50M at this point given what Everton paid for him.
Click to expand...

You are obviously right taking everything into context when signing a player. But the only downside I see with Lukaku is his agent and the fee he will require. Both things I am confident United are able to deal with. Look at what has happened with Gündogan. He was unfit, there were injury concerns and you could question his professionalism during his injury (possibly his problems were down to his medication), nonetheless he has pretty much returned to old form and he's proving me wrong having doubts. None of said things apply to Lukaku. I am not saying he's the one for us, but if he carries on like that, we should definitely consider him.
 
bucky said:
You are obviously right taking everything into context when signing a player. But the only downside I see with Lukaku is his agent and the fee he will require. Both things I am confident United are able to deal with. Look at what has happened with Gündogan. He was unfit, there were injury concerns and you could question his professionalism during his injury (possibly his problems were down to his medication), nonetheless he has pretty much returned to old form and he's proving me wrong having doubts. None of said things apply to Lukaku. I am not saying he's the one for us, but if he carries on like that, we should definitely consider him.
Click to expand...

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong I'm not saying Lukaku hasn't got a lot more upside than worries, I guess I'm just feeling cautious in general right now. I think he'd probably be a decent fit for us as the #9 with Martial and Memphis playing off him.
 
the hea said:
Griezmann, he won't be cheap but I think he could do us a world of good with his speed and movement.
Kane, don't know if he is obtainable but he would be a huge improvement for us.
Aubameyang, I don't think he would cost as much as the two others and he's probably not as good either but he is a proven goalscorer and has some serious pace in him.
Click to expand...

Griezmann doesn't have speed. He's another Mata and exactly what we don't need.
 
Bwuk said:
Auba is class but he wouldn't shine as much in our slow and tumescent side. Dortmunds fast pace suit him to a tee. Ideally we'd change the way we play to replicate Dortmund.
Click to expand...
Spot on. LvG's rigid, risk-averse philosophy would kill his strengths and spirits within weeks
 
bucky said:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/simeone-hails-qualities-new-boy-griezmann#:NyU8yEi8jka4mA



Since you've repeatedly said that and don't believe posters, who've seen him and told you otherwise, maybe Simeone will convince you. Or not.
Click to expand...

"He can be the greatest player in the history of Manchester United football club" SAF on Phil Jones.

"The successor to Roy Keane" SAF on Djemba Djemba

"Pascal will step up to the international team and I believe it will be soon, he's a great player" Wenger on Pascal Cygan.

Need I continue?

Please show me the videos of Griezmann and his blistering pace. 90% of his goals are 1 touch finishes in and around the box.
 
What could be a really useful point of discussion from somebody with a bit of spare time, would be to conduct a bonafide list of Players with release clauses and what the values are, so we could essentially haggle over a list of players that we could guarantee to land.

Like whats up with Draxler, wasn't he supposed to be a hot property? Dzagoev?
 
Draxler isn't what you need or want. He stalled in his development and moved to Wolfsburg. His contract doesn't have an exit clause.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
under Fergie
Click to expand...
Yes, probably. But he's retired and there will never be a manager like him ever again, so why bother talking about Fergie anymore? He was the best there ever was and will be, I don't get why he's a benchmark for LvG when they're great at different things
 
We don't necessarily need a superstar. Everyone keeps bringing up the same names, griezmann, reus, bale etc but it's not always possibly to get them. What you can get is players on the brink of becoming the next bale or reus or griezmann in everyone's eyes. And more importantly it needs to be the right fit.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
We don't necessarily need a superstar. Everyone keeps bringing up the same names, griezmann, reus, bale etc but it's not always possibly to get them. What you can get is players on the brink of becoming the next bale or reus or griezmann in everyone's eyes. And more importantly it needs to be the right fit.
Click to expand...
Who do you think has the quality to become a Bale/Reus-level player?
 
VorZakone said:
Who do you think has the quality to become a Bale/Reus-level player?
Click to expand...
I probably don't watch enough of other leagues to give the best opinion to be honest. But every year you get a few that look the business, that are close or a couple of years away. We got one last summer in Martial who I wouldn't even trade for those players mentioned. Memphis is behind in his development but has the tools as well. I have high hopes for Januzaj but he's some way off of course as he's struggling with your club.

But with regards to players closer to their full potential I wouldn't be against going for Lucas Moura for example. If we iron out a few decision making issues he's got some serious potential. Saido Mane in the premier is a good youngish player. Won't reach those levels in all likelyhood, I don't think he's got the reliable technical qualities, but at the same time he'd be a big addition to our side as he's got raw pace, dribbling ability and power, all of which we need. Plus he runs for a full 90 minutes regularly. Maybe someone like delefaou from Everton/Barca is an option but he's possibly too unproven. Like I said, the sample I watch isn't big enough but every couple of years you get players making the step up. Coutinho for example was someone not everyone fancied after failing to build on his potential with inter but has been a very good buy for Liverpool. Basically, it's not always the obvious names. I mean I didn't see anyone consider aubameyang to be capable of what he's currently doing. Everyone only spoke about his pace.
 
buckooo1978 said:
obtainable? i doubt it unless we are willing to part with 60 million given his scoring form....i get the feeling he will stay with Dortmund for another season or two

he, Lewandowski, Neymar, Suarez, Ronaldo and Vardy are on a different level at the minute
Click to expand...

Vardy on another level? I hope that is a joke. A striker in good form does not put him on a different level.
 
I'd really like us to buy Fekir. Players tend to come back from ligament injuries a lot better than they used to. He could be another Ruud-type gamble for us.

Only problem is that he's declared his love for Barca just recently. But then, he's not going to get into that side any time soon.
 
The Barca quote comes from this morning. I think he wants a move to a 'big' club. We'd be in the mix, but Barcelona is currently his favourite. It'd be about 4 years until he could get into their side, though. There's no reason to believe that United won't be back on top of the hill by then. Playing with Martial might also be an attraction.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.