Nuri Sahin
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
You absolute bastard.That doesn't seem that high a fee when you consider he cost them £7m (or something like that) when he had a year left on his deal.
120k/week..
I havent seen much of him. That seems a bit high.
I havent seen much of him. That seems a bit high.
Mata, Alonso, something like refusing to pay an extra £500k for Schwarzer.
But I don't think Wenger was that keen on Sahin. M'Vila would represent a better signing.
Why would he reject the loan because of the included OPTION to buy him after? 
Why would he reject the loan because of the included OPTION to buy him after?
Because he may not have been interested in the loan to begin with unless there was such an option included, set at a fee that was acceptable to him.
Why would he reject the loan because of the included OPTION to buy him after?
Exactly, worst case scenario is they'd decide at the end of the loan he wasn't worth £14m and turn down the option, and just try to negotiate a lower price...it's completely absurd that anyone would believe that. Never mind the fact it's a completely reasonable fee.
I don't think it's absurd. Most of your lot dismissed the notion of going trying to loan him if there wasn't at the very least an option to buy at the end of it. And during the saga of will/he won't he there's been plenty of posters speculating that Arsenal probably pulled out because they couldn't get an option to buy included.
If Wenger doesn't think the fee in that option is reasonable, then that is effectively a similar situation.
That's the weird part. But Wenger has form for this.
He might think he can get better value for those 14m elsewhere (bearing in mind such a player would probably also be in a lower wage bracket too, it might be more than just 14m to budget with) that will fit into his longterm plans.
And the worst case scenario here really is that they loan Sahin for just a year and then he goes back to Madrid at the expense of investing in a player in the same position they could get now and mould into the team with a view to more than just a season.
I wouldn't get too worked up about this. It's not like he's vital to the team. Liverpool will crush his spirit anyway.
Oh I'm not. We'll get a couple in eventually. We'll finish well above them anyway.
Some confusing reports here. Tony Barrett now saying Arsenal wanted 14m clause and that we will sign him with no clause and Ben Smith on the beeb saying there IS a 14m clause included in the deal...
If there is a clause of £14m involved, then I'm amazed we're not in for him.
Really, are you?
My opinion is that Wenger has decided this, not the player.
Sahin having medical right now. Will be confirmed tom.
Must be sad for Arsenal. Now losing out to signings to Liverpool.
I feel like he's decided to go after m'vila instead, which is a good signing as well. Arsenal needs a player like him now that song is gone and I'm not sure sahin would be able to fill that gap in the same way.
Arrrgh didn't want him to join the dippers. Ah well.
Twitter says Liverpool will be paying 5m loan fee...Crazy money for just a year's service.
It's called desperation.
Jose has told SAF that Sahin is a shit muncher, obvs.
Excellent. This turned out well. The dippers won't make top four regardless. They're also massively over-stocked in central midfield. Good luck keeping them all motivated/happy. Arsenal don't get a potentially good player and the temporary nature of the deal means none of our rivals are strengthened for the following season. Good good.
The best bit is the warning it sends out to players with dreams of Madrid. Look where you could end up.
Not that they will think it could happen to them of course.
Not has been a great last two weeks for the Gunners then.
Would have preferred him at Arsenal. They wouldn't have challenged anyway.
Arsenal are going to challenge a lot more than Liverpool.
Absolutely.
I don't know about that. As of now, their playing XI aren't that bad than Arsenal.
Liverpool've got better defense and better strikers.
Liverpool've got better defense and better strikers.
Signing this bloke makes bugger all difference. They already have plenty of options in midfield and were miles off the pace last season. Massive gap to make up to compete with the big boys. All with a new manager trying to change the way they play.
Nah, Liverpool will be scrabbling for 5th and 6th. Arsenal will challenge this season. Liverpool won't.
How do they have better strikers and defenders anyway? Suarez can't finish. Carroll is shit. Borini's a kid with it all still to prove. They've got zero strength in depth at the back and their first-choice right back can't defend for toffee.
Nah, Liverpool will be scrabbling for 5th and 6th. Arsenal will challenge this season. Liverpool won't.
How do they have better strikers and defenders anyway? Suarez can't finish. Carroll is shit. Borini's a kid with it all still to prove. They've got zero strength in depth at the back and their first-choice right back can't defend for toffee.
The overall cost of this deal for Liverpool will be around 9m(loan fee and wages).
If option to buy clause is not added, the term desperation is appropriate.
PS- loan fee a twitter speculation.
If option to buy clause is not added, the term desperation is appropriate.
PS- loan fee a twitter speculation.
What do you mean by a "a lot more"? Neither will challenge. Or do you think West Ham will challenge but less than Liverpool?
But on a more serious note, I guess it depends on what you think about the potential futures of the clubs and who is more likely to, 3 years down the line, make a challenge. Arsenal are a better team but refuse to spend. Liverpool are a worse team but do spend but in the past have done so on shit players.
Compare their strikers to Arsenal who have Giroud, Chamakh, Podolski and Walcott. All of them are either unproven in England, inconsistent and are either shit.
Agger plus Skrtel is better than what Arsenal have. Sagna is better than Johnson but than Enrique is better than Gibbs/Santos.
I doubt there's a loan fee involved. Madrid were just looking for someone who would pick up the whole (or as near as possible all) of his wages and not insist on a buyout clause - I don't think there were many teams willing to do that.
I don't think Agger plus Skrtel are all that good at all. Which is how Shane Long, of all people, made mugs of them.
Don't see him doing that against Koscielny/Vermaelen.
Don't see him doing that against Koscielny/Vermaelen.
People have been saying that for 3 years. Liverpool are a high mid table team. That's it.
Also Arsene is a better coach than anyone Liverpool have had of late. So that has to be accounted for as well.
That is the main factor really. Whether Rodgers turns out successful or not, we will lose points this season coming to grips with his system.
Agree. Not really related to the thread, but what do you think of Gerrard in relation to Rodgers' preferred philosophy? For me, he looked the most out of place player on the opening day.