Nuno Espírito Santo: Nottingham Forest manager
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After a decade of achieving so much, Conte seems to be committing career suicide.
At the same time, can't help but feel it's a bit rubbish that Spurs will now have a better manager than us (by a country mile). Thankfully, he'll still be managing Spurs so will do feck all there.
At the same time, can't help but feel it's a bit rubbish that Spurs will now have a better manager than us (by a country mile). Thankfully, he'll still be managing Spurs so will do feck all there.
Of course there are long term managers. But it's not just about the length of employment for the manager, it's also about being a club that has some sort of stylistic identity, and is able to recruit on that basis. Rather than on the basis of whatever the current manager thinks he most needs to beat the odds this year. You could become like Chelsea of course, who works on the principle of Marina bringing in good players, and a revolving carousel of coaches getting to make the most of them. That's also a way of being long-term, you just need to emphasise getting good all-round-players who are able to work in different settings. But that's not the route we have taken, and I'm not sure I want us to either.
Ronaldo, Cavani, Pogba, Lingard, Matic, Mata & probably VDB to wont be here in 2 years time. Some wont be here after this season. That's a massive part of our squad gone, so no long term here.
Not really though. Of those, only Ronaldo, Cavani and Pogba have a more than peripheral role. If Pogba leaves that may arguably simplify things rather than create a hole. And the others are strikers. So that really boils down to a renewal at CM that we have to make anyway, and a generation shift at striker. Otherwise, the whole core of the team is the same.
Everyone with 2 eyes and half a brain cell can understand that, but our Board which is paid multi million dollars cannot get that simple concept right.
Shameless after the "matter of time" tweets.
There is another option though, lose Ole and go for someone else if we don’t fancy Conte.
Not saying our board have contemplated such maverick, arcane thinking…..not saying they even think at all…..but the options still there
Hope these are just rumors, tbh. I really like Conte and would love him for us but since that has become unlikely, at least wish him well. Nobody should ever trust thar weasel Levy. His promises aren't worth the paper they will be written on
Will be a good pay off though
Managers are in win win situations these days
And to be fair if Levy doesn’t back Conte….it’s an easy excuse for Conte to make, he wasn’t backed
Happy? Think he’s the man for it?
If we manage to get Conte i'd be fecking delighted.
Lost to Vitesse, lost to West Ham, then lost to Burnley. 3 games?
Conte is an overrated maniac. The conflict between him and Levy would be epic. Seriously doubt Levy is dumb or desperate enough to appoint him, though.
Good. I hope he works out for you (though not too much of course). He’s colourful and adds to the league in that respect
You'd have to assume I think that Levy is contemplating a more withdrawn role. Otherwise it would too obviously be madness.
At the elite level who are these long term managers that United could get? I really can't think of any. Potential ones look to be a risk eg Ten Hag. Or Potch who hasn't put silverware down on the table as yet.
I would also admit I don't watch continental football all that much so I'd be more than happy for yourself or someone else to educate me with other managers I don't know then I can research them
How, why? He's literally won wherever he's gone. All this appointment tells me is that Spurs have higher standards and are more serious about winning than Utd are.
With Elite level of experience and winning trophies at that level and a managerial win percentage of 65%…..who else is a better available option?
I get it can sometimes come down to philosophy and vision matching the club etc personality and all that and perhaps Conte doesn’t fit for the United Owners, but they have to have a conversation surely to find any of that out.
Your last paragraph is funny but also for you, the United supporters point of view, certainly very sad, toxic owners unfortunately
The Caf seems to be of the opinion that Ten Haag would be the best bet - I too think he would present a huge risk. Lose to Atalanta tomorrow and the incompetence of the board will be laid bare once again.
I'm no better placed than you are I'm afraid. But just because you and I don't have that knowledge, that doesn't mean someone famous is a safe bet and everyone else is a huge risk. LvG didn't work out, Mourinho didn't work out. But it is hard at a club like United, just handling the hugeness of it all, and the egos. Quite honestly, I really don't have a very clear answer what the right decision is. But it's usually a good deal easier to recognise what the wrong decision look like, and signing Conte does, to me.
Could anyone imagine if conte took over spurs and he managed to win a cup for them, 
why we struggle to win any
why we struggle to win anyIf united had appointed conte the fans would moan about the boring negative defensive tactics. Glad he’s gone to spurs he would only of been appointed by default because nobody else was available… all we can do is get behind ole and the team for now and when the right manager is available hopefully we go and get him. I seriously doubt conte would of made united the unstoppable team we all dream about he’s a similar coach to Jose and we all know how that ended.
Okay, so when did it become established that to manage an elite level club, you must already have done so? That seems to me like a line of thinking that will lead to a lot more damage than benefit, because it more or less automatically means the same small coterie gets circulated among the top clubs, until well after they have ceased to really be elite managers.
Conte will need to spend and bring in a good number of players
Wondering how things would go at spurs given how they are run
Wondering how things would go at spurs given how they are run
That's fair enough, Conte I do think is a Marmite type of manager, some like some don't, not much inbetween.
One of our biggest problems is actually this obsession with long-term managers. Long term managers at big clubs are simply managers that keep winning and want to stay. Guardiola never really looked like a long term manager, but the fact that he keeps winning things means everyone is happy and he'll be there for probably 7+ yrs by the time he finishes. If he wants to stay for 10, 15, 20+ years he can, as long as he keeps winning.
At United we put the cart before the horse. We make winning secondary to having managers that are around for a long time. We recruit managers and tell them its a long term appointment, which justifies each new manager ripping up the squad they found, spending a fortune on players that only suit them, and underperforming for a couple of seasons.
The hard reality is that when a manager starts to fail at United, they get sacked, the same as anywhere else. You can't keep a failing manager with unhappy players, the media and the fans all turning on him, just because two years ago you wanted it to be different.
The practical upshot is that we end up being a more short term club than even Chelsea. At Chelsea they build the squad first and foremost and then just choose a manager to make the most of it. They prioritise continuity of the players from season to season instead of the manager. We not only replace the manager every two or three years, we replace the squad too.
If we want a long term manager, start with getting a successful one, and keep them happy. Until we accept the reality that the only long term managers are successful ones, we're stuck making the same mistakes, in a cycle of perpetual transition.
I actually do like him, a lot even. I just don't think he's a fit for United.
This club makes me sick
I really hope they go for Conte because you just know Levy ain't gonna play ball. He's probably making false promises to Conte now as we speak. Sure they'll probably get the new manager bounce but it won't last. And we still have the Kane issue to resolve. I hope it goes through.
100% agree
A serial winner and our board were shit scared of him, the lunatics really have taken over the asylum!
In the meantime we still have Ole ….yippee!!!
We're doomed to 5th place.
And the fact that he is going there for 1.5 seasons, which means we could have given him the same contract while working behind the scenes to get a manager like Ten Hag/Enrique as a replacement down the line. Making sure we win something with this bunch, while building for the future as well.
Ofcourse that would require planning, competence and ambition. All of which this management lacks.
Ofcourse that would require planning, competence and ambition. All of which this management lacks.
Rumours on our side that Levy has taken an extreme you turn on the demands Conte made him at the start of the season.
I do not think Conte is desperate at all, Spurs came to him before Nuno, they would not come to the table with Conte's demands, Conte said no deal. Spurs have now gone back with an improved proposition, probably incorporating some of his original demands which it looks like he has now agreed to. He is holding all the cards in that negotiation, if Spurs do not give him what he wants he just says no again and kicks back enjoying his holiday. Only a matter of time until one of the bigger clubs come in and give a manager of that calibre what he wants.
He is top level, but how long he lasts at Spurs is another thing entirely. One thing is for sure there will be a rocket in that Spurs dressing room, he is no yes man Nuno type, players will be getting the a^& out the door if they are not committed on the pitch and to the project.
Back in summer when Tottenham appointed Nuno it looked like an underwhelming choice and it showed. Their problems are bigger than Nuno but he was never right fit imo. Before joining Spurs, he was linked with Crystal Palace so (no disrespect to them) he's more on that Wolves/Palace level. I may be wrong but we'll see, he may be back managing another PL club again.
No thanks.