Yeah well. I don't think I'd want Conte here anyway so not losing any sleep over it.In the meantime we still have Ole ….yippee!!!
Nuno Espírito Santo: Nottingham Forest manager
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Imagine being sacked for losing against Manchester Utd.
How far we have fallen.
How far we have fallen.
Hes waiting for the France job and doesn't want United.
Your problem here is that you somewhat misconstrue and oversimplify what the issue is. The point is not simply to get a manager that stays for a large number of years. The point is to build a certain stability in the style of play and type of football and identity generally, because that is conducive to long-term recruitment and also to talent development, and additionally it is no longer really a functioning model to regard the whole organisation as a tool that works to the demands of whoever the manager is presently. Long term results come out of a complex organisation that involves a lot more elements and people than 20 years ago, and for that to work, it has to be informed by some sort of longer term coherent vision and sense of direction. It's at least as much about not changing that every two years as it is about not changing the manager every two years. And while for United, all of that sort of grew out of Ferguson's way because he was here for so long and was so successful, it can't work that way generally. In that sense, we really do have to get away from SAFs legacy. In order to remain, a manager must achieve success. Agreed. But in order for the organisation to be successful with any consistency, you can't just hand over the keys to someone you fancy as a winner in whatever way, and go with that until it's over, and then start all over again. Barca doesn't do that, Bayern doesn't do that. I'm pretty sure Liverpool and City isn't going to do that either, when the time comes for Klopp and Pep to leave.
I don't either, but it's still bad news for us if Tottenham gets him. At least and especially in the short term.
Possibly the biggest tosh I've read for a while.
Spurs are a global brand? So much so they cannot sell the naming rights to their stadium. A stadium that is used as much for hosting top-tier football as it is American Football and concerts. Every decision he had made over 20 years hasn't worked and his inability to build a winning side is down to him. He has picked a manager and sacked him within ten league games. He didn't sell a depreciating asset because he was concerned about marketing Spurs without Kane. He hired Mourinho and then sacked him the day before a cup final. He sacked their best manager after he got to the UCL final and didn't back him in the market. The guy is awful for Spurs but because he held out for 30million for Berbatov, everyone thinks he is a shrewd operator.
Listen, I wouldn't be surprised if Conte is also gone before the season is over.
Conte wd definitely be a great signing for Spurs, but Levy will have to meet his long list of demands.
Only 2 points separate us from Spurs.
I guess this will turn into an experiment of sorts:
How many points can Conte get by the end of the year with that bad squad versus Ole with a much better squad.
Buckle up.
I guess this will turn into an experiment of sorts:
How many points can Conte get by the end of the year with that bad squad versus Ole with a much better squad.
Buckle up.
Thanks mate I appreciate it. I hope you arent too sad over Conte.
He hasnt won two matches in a row before? How odd. I must be misremembering. Oh thats right you mean now because every match is enoguh to call for a managers head. Plastics gonna plastic.
He’s not good enough, but he’s easily better at managing than you are at reading. Is English your 3rd language?
@Raoul hand me that sweet infraction
This you?
Ramshock said:
Ramshock said:
From February of Moyes' first season... so having been in the job for about 6 months. But you're giving out to other posters who now think Ole needs to go, having been here 3 years?
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/moyes-so-far.373984/page-386#post-14992095
In fact, from October of Moyes' first season:
Ramshock said:
Then someone said that some posters are happy for Untied to lose because it means Moyes might get sacked, you replied:
Ramshock said:
Ramshock said:
Maybe you wanna chill on the sanctimonious labeling of other supporters as plastics?
This you he says. How about you go back and check on the rest of my posts those seasons and come back to me. I will always support the manager until it is obvious he is detrimental to the team. Go back and find more posts from those seasons please.
Thats me.
I'm alright thanks, but you keep labeling people plastics, clearly that's your MO and what gives you pleasure on here
Agreed, but it was in response to the poster saying the only available managers who would take the job are x, y, z. My point is koeman would take it. Seems like conte is taking the job so he was there too.
Was just saying he’s available and would definitely take it m
^^
Aye you are alright thanks because you know you are in the wrong, trying to be smart by cherry picking peoples posts. Go back and find more and dont be such a yellow streak of pish.
Not trying to be smart, just calling out top red bs without resorting to insults like you are
Brilliant.
No what you are doing is cherry picking posts to suit your poor argument. Like I said I will always support the manager until its clearly detrimental to the team. And as you are fond of browsing peoples posts you will see that for yourself. I backed Moyes, LVG and Jose. Usually when I have felt they have been detrimental to the players I have stated so and not long after they have been sacked. Maybe LVGs sacking caught me out as it was a surprise to everybody. I dont see Oles reign being that detrimental yet. You tried to be smart and its backfired. So If I were you I would cut along.
Brilliant.
Moyes thread:
Ramshock said:You know things are bad when your Spurs supporting cousin gives you shit most weeks
Ole thread, today:
We need Ramshock to let us know when we should care about what fans of other clubs think and when we should ignore it!
I don't actually have an 'argument' I am just pointing out your hypocrisy. Just be consistent, make your point without trying to cut down other posters for expressing their own opinions. I actually don't care if you support/don't support the manager but perhaps you could reflect on the fact that different opinions does not always = other people are plastics.
Well conte is about to take the job unless we swoop in for him, that’s saying something.
Top work. The less said the better, though. I just ignore him and my experience on the caf is better for it.
Fair play, I usually do, that's good advice! I won't say any more to derail the thread, I think the point has been made
Not nearly as sad as you are, in general.
Never wanted Conte so I'm probably just like 60% plastic. Maybe 65%. Never a thoroughbred like you though.
Conte and Levy. Should be interesting.
Well played! Impressive work that
What a hypocrite
Same poster who wants two separate match day threads, one of them only for Ole supporters.
Not really, people are entitled to change their minds and mature their opinions
Yes, because stamping around a discussion forum labeling people you don't agree with as "plastics" shows tremendous growth and maturity
I’m talking merely about the posts above
That's fine, maybe one changes their mindset over time, it happens, but like I said that doesn't mean you need to insult and aggressively call out other people for expressing their opinions (especially if you have history for expressing similar opinions about a different manager), as he routinely does. Just my two cents and I'll move on now.
Sure. But aren't people entitled to think that United should move on from Ole without being stamped as "plastics" and bad fans? Criticise the post and not the poster and all that...
Sure that’s a fair point. I was really just commenting on finding something from the moyes time and saying he may have changed his opinion
Whoever Tottenham appoint if it's someone marginally more qualified than Bruce Forsyth's widow then there's a fair chance it'll be someone who could have improved us meanwhile we persevere with a guy who genuinely doesn't seem to have got the chapter in the coaching manual where it explains why playing someone carrying an injury isn't a good idea.
So much good stuff in this article that makes you ponder how little we know about the ongoings at football clubs and how small things can quickly hinder a managerial reign:
The short contract length does some to really undermine a manager, particularly if they then respond in kind but not fully upheaving their life to properly dedicate themselves to the job. Really surprised there is discussion about Conte only signing until the end of next season for that reason. It suggests to the players too that they are more permanent than the manager.
The short contract length does some to really undermine a manager, particularly if they then respond in kind but not fully upheaving their life to properly dedicate themselves to the job. Really surprised there is discussion about Conte only signing until the end of next season for that reason. It suggests to the players too that they are more permanent than the manager.
Okay, let's figure this one out. Spurs and United played a game on Saturday that would decide the fate of the managers in charge of those clubs. Now, the winner would be 'rewarded' by getting to keep their underperforming manager, and the loser would be 'punished' by getting a brand spanking new manager in the form of Antonio Conte.
Yeah, that happened. That's some impressive mindfeckery right there, next-level stuff.
Yeah, that happened. That's some impressive mindfeckery right there, next-level stuff.