Now for the holy grail: Playmaker

charlenefan said:
And there lies my point
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Your point was that we are unlikely to sign anyone because the media haven't linked us to anyone viable. Which is bullshit, whichever way you slice it. As I said, we are linked to different players every day, many of them viable. Then there are the long running names we are linked with, like Nasri, Sneijder, Modric, Rodwell, and Sanchez. Some of those viable, too. Rodwell, at any rate.

I pay no attention to what the media say when it comes to potential signings, for the record. The vast majority of it is bullshit. The facts are, we will likely be losing three midfielders. I will be very surprised if we don't bring one in.
 
Siorac said:
Fergie said two or maybe three signings. Jones has come ahead of schedule but we missed out on Varane which should balance it out. De Gea and Young were the certainties. All the central midfielders we're being linked to are unlikely to sign, to say the least.

Of course Fergie has been known to... well, modify the truth somewhat when it comes to transfers, it's not unreasonable to expect that this is it for the summer.
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I agree but we do need to sign someone for the midfield especially since we have lost Scholes & Hargo for good, Giggs in another season and Park & Carrick almost on the other side of the hill. We need that one marquee signing for the midfield, always have.
 
Siorac said:
Fergie said two or maybe three signings. Jones has come ahead of schedule but we missed out on Varane which should balance it out. De Gea and Young were the certainties. All the central midfielders we're being linked to are unlikely to sign, to say the least.

Of course Fergie has been known to... well, modify the truth somewhat when it comes to transfers, it's not unreasonable to expect that this is it for the summer.
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When SAF said that statement of two or three signings Scholes had not at that point decided to retire that is why I believe there will be a fourth signing.
 
We really do need 2 in a dreamworld. Ideally 2 who can comfortably play behind Rooney and Hernandez and wreak havoc against the opposition when we're off the ball and hold it up and pass it well when we do have the ball.

Busquets and Schweinstiger then. Easy targets.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Your point was that we are unlikely to sign anyone because the media haven't linked us to anyone viable.
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No my point was that if we had a genuine target then by now we'd know who it is, like we knew Young was a target since January and De Gea since VDS announced his retirement

As you've clearly said yourself all that's happening at the moment is that we're being linked with a different name everyday, which is exactly the same every transfer window. Unlike Young and De Gea though none of the links seem to have any substance behind them

It seems all very easy for everyone to say I'm wrong and we'll definitely sign someone but at the same time no one wants to actually put their neck out there and state a name :smirk:
 
charlenefan said:
The fact that unlike Young and De Gea the media have yet to link us with any viable targets

Young and De Gea have been pretty much certainties to sign since January, I would of imagined if we were in for a top class midfielder the media would of cotton onto the story by now
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I think that has more to do with the fact that we didn't know whether Scholes was retiring or whether he was going to stay on for another year..
 
Chirag said:
I think that has more to do with the fact that we didn't know whether Scholes was retiring or whether he was going to stay on for another year..
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Meh, maybe you have a point there I'm not totally sure though tbh
 
With David Gill apparently going on holiday at the weekend, can we assume that we have no intentions to add to the squad at this moment in time?

Obviously he's capable of doing deals from out if his office, but I'm referring more to his interview recently in which he indicated that he will work on the player side of things before going on holiday for a few weeks.
 
pocco said:
With David Gill apparently going on holiday at the weekend, can we assume that we have no intentions to add to the squad at this moment in time?

Obviously he's capable of doing deals from out if his office, but I'm referring more to his interview recently in which he indicated that he will work on the player side of things before going on holiday for a few weeks.
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Or we will probably wrap up Modric/Nasri in the next couple of days. :drool:
 
charlenefan said:
No my point was that if we had a genuine target then by now we'd know who it is, like we knew Young was a target since January and De Gea since VDS announced his retirement

As you've clearly said yourself all that's happening at the moment is that we're being linked with a different name everyday, which is exactly the same every transfer window. Unlike Young and De Gea though none of the links seem to have any substance behind them

It seems all very easy for everyone to say I'm wrong and we'll definitely sign someone but at the same time no one wants to actually put their neck out there and state a name :smirk:
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Nonsense. Were we linked with Jones for weeks on end before we signed him? No.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Nonsense. Were we linked with Jones for weeks on end before we signed him? No.
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Is Jones being signed as a player to play week in week out next season? No.

Are Young and De Gea being signed as players to play week in week out next season? Yes. Were they heavily linked with us months before they signed? Yes.
 
charlenefan said:
Is Jones being signed as a player to play week in week out next season? No.

Are Young and De Gea being signed as players to play week in week out next season? Yes. Were they heavily linked with us months before they signed? Yes.
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You put waaaaaaaayyy too much stock into what the media say.
 
Remember SAF said a couple of months ago that he wants to sign 3 or 4 players. The Jones transfer was an additional one which we had to do following Liverpool's interest. So that suggests he's still after 1 or 2 more players.
 
KM said:
Nor Smalling, Hernandez or Anderson
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All in the same bracket as Jones, young players bought with the future in mind. Name the last big name player we bought that wasn't forecast months in advance
 
charlenefan said:
All in the same bracket as Jones, young players bought with the future in mind. Name the last big name player we bought that wasn't forecast months in advance
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Is it big name player now or is it still "play week in, week out"? Because Phil Jones was a big name player in the sense that he's one of the hottest prospect in English football at the moment and many clubs wanted him when we signed him...
 
charlenefan said:
Come on then who are we going to sign if you're so convinced at what I say is incorrect
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I have no idea. I haven't made a definitive statement either way. You, on the other hand, have. According to you, we will not be signing anyone else.

Now, which one of us is putting himself in a position to look like an idiot here?
 
Blair said:
Big player signings dont just come out of the blue.
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Exactly! Hence why if we were close to signing one or had identified a particular player we'd all know who it is by now.

Makki said:
Is it big name player now or is it still "play week in, week out"? Because Phil Jones was a big name player in the sense that he's one of the hottest prospect in English football at the moment and many clubs wanted him when we signed him...
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You've answered your own question, Jones is a prospect not someone established like Young or De Gea. Jones also was hardly spoke about by anyone prior to April either and it's been widely acknowledged that he wasn't even a target of ours this summer until other clubs forced our hand
 
Makki said:
Is it big name player now or is it still "play week in, week out"? Because Phil Jones was a big name player in the sense that he's one of the hottest prospect in English football at the moment and many clubs wanted him when we signed him...
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For the trivial fee of £16 million...
 
Blair said:
Remember SAF said a couple of months ago that he wants to sign 3 or 4 players. The Jones transfer was an additional one which we had to do following Liverpool's interest. So that suggests he's still after 1 or 2 more players.
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hope you are right here.

we do need at least one top class signing in central midfield. 2 would be even better.

scholes retires, gibson is likely to leave, hargeaves might feature for only 6 minutes for us over the last 2 years but he is another midfielder that left the club. even if all the 3 remains in the team, we are always going to need to improve our midfield.

one more midfield signing please sir alex. 2 would be perfect.
 
charlenefan said:
Exactly! Hence why if we were close to signing one or had identified a particular player we'd all know who it is by now.
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True, but there is still time left in this window. We have been linked with big name CM's (Sneijder, Modric & Nasri), although paper talk at the minute, these things can gather momentum as soon as a bid is made.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I have no idea. I haven't made a definitive statement either way. You, on the other hand, have. According to you, we will not be signing anyone else.

Now, which one of us is putting himself in a position to look like an idiot here?
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If I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and say as much, I have no problem whatsoever to go on record and say we wont sign a midfielder this summer.

You on the other hand seem perfectly happy to argue the toss with me without actually providing any definitive proof that I'm incorrect :smirk:

I'm in agreement with you that we need a midfielder, doesn't mean we'll sign one though
 
charlenefan said:
Exactly! Hence why if we were close to signing one or had identified a particular player we'd all know who it is by now.
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What's to say we don't? With all the speculation going on, Modric, Nasri and Sneijder appear to be the ones we're interested in, so what's to say it's not one of those? The Nani rumours became more intense first when Gill and Queiroz were spotted in Lisbon.. Not much more than what's reported about the three mentioned above had been reported about Nani up until then.

charlenefan said:
You've answered your own question, Jones is a prospect not someone established like Young or De Gea. Jones also was hardly spoke about by anyone prior to April either and it's been widely acknowledged that he wasn't even a target of ours this summer until other clubs forced our hand
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Does it matter whether a player's a prospect or not when we're talking about a big money signing?

No papers had reported that Jones was on the move (to any club) before he had a medical at United. Varane was just as much of a prospect as Jones, but that was pretty common knowledge that we'd been sniffing around him. I'd definitely say that Jones was a 'big' signing that went under the media's collective radar.
 
charlenefan said:
If I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and say as much, I have no problem whatsoever to go on record and say we wont sign a midfielder this summer.

You on the other hand seem perfectly happy to argue the toss with me without actually providing any definitive proof that I'm incorrect :smirk:
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I am not the one making the definitive statement, dummy. You are. So, by all means, prove to me that we won't be signing another midfielder.
 
Baby Faced Assassin said:
I agree but we do need to sign someone for the midfield especially since we have lost Scholes & Hargo for good, Giggs in another season and Park & Carrick almost on the other side of the hill. We need that one marquee signing for the midfield, always have.
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Yes, absolutely, I'm just saying it might not happen.

We would have needed one even if Scholes had decided to stay.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
For the trivial fee of £16 million...
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What exactly does that have anything to do with it?

Ronaldo 12m
Nani 13m
Anderson 17m
Smalling 8m

They were all young players bought for big fee's with a view to being 'ones for the future'
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I am not the one making the definitive statement, dummy. You are. So, by all means, prove to me that we won't be signing another midfielder.
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So you're arguing with my opinion that we wont sign a midfielder even though you dont have a definitive opinion on it either way? :wenger:
 
I love Charlenefan's "logic" here. "

"We won't be signing anyone, the media haven't linked us with anyone. No big transfers go through without the media knowing about it first."

- Actually, we have been linked with Nasri, Sneijder, Modric and Sanchez in the media for weeks.

"Pfffffttttt, the media are clueless, you can't trust them"



:lol:
 
charlenefan said:
So you're arguing with my opinion that we wont sign a midfielder even though you dont have a definitive opinion on it either way? :wenger:
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I said I will be surprised if we don't sign one. Now, please prove to me why we won't.
 
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I really don't think we need a playmaker with lads like Nani, Valencia, Giggs, Rooney and Carrick in the squad. As I said before the replacement has to be an alternative to the player Hargreaves was meant to be. A midfielder with a bit of steel. Who that is I just don't know. I don't think he's out there....
 
Makki said:
What's to say we don't? With all the speculation going on, Modric, Nasri and Sneijder appear to be the ones we're interested in, so what's to say it's not one of those?
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Well maybe you're right, maybe we will sign one of those in the end and hindsight will say all signs pointed to it all along. At this moment in time though I would of expected one of those 3 to stand out over the others yet so far the common consensus is that Nasri will sign a new contract at Arsenal and Wenger wouldn't sell to us anyway, Modric will go to Chelsea if he goes anywhere and well Sneijder is just linked with us every window these days

Makki said:
I'd definitely say that Jones was a 'big' signing that went under the media's collective radar.
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He's only viewed as a big signing because he's English though, I dont know who's better of him or Varane but lets say for arguments sake ability wise they're equal and we signed Varane instead would he be viewed as as big a signing as Jones? I doubt it. Ignoring the media bigging up English players I wouldn't view Jones as anymore of a bigger signing than Hernandez last summer.
 
Rory 7 said:
I really don't think we need a playmaker with lads like Nani, Valencia, Giggs, Rooney and Carrick in the squad. As I said before the replacement has to be an alternative to the player Hargreaves was meant to be. A midfielder with a bit of steel. Who that is I just don't know. I don't think he's out there....
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Carrick a 'playmaker'?
 
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