Northern Ireland Thread

Art Vandelay said:
Not sure what's going on tonight, but I heard the police helicopter passing a few times already. The city is full of tourists too with the Maritime festival on.
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There was an attack on Gerry Adams house last night apparently.
 
So at the end of this month NI will enter the record books as being the country to have no governmnet longer than any other country in the world.

Truly truly depressing.

What a bunch of clowns all round.
 
Not sure what it’s like these days, but the 26 counties should be fed (by RTE,etc) a regular dose of ordinary occurrences of life in the 6 counties along with the 26.
Where events on the whole island are reported on, as opposed to just the Republic.
In my day it was always bad news out of the north, but IMO, if the meeja reported on all of Ireland it would eventually sink in that it’s one place, not two.
It could ease the transition to a United Ireland.
What says the caf? Is that already happening?
 
20 years today since the Omagh bomb. I'll never forget that day and think about it often, such an absolutely senseless loss of life.

This is a pretty tough watch in parts and how these guys can speak so coherently about it says alot about their strength.

 
One of the worst events throughout the conflict. Destroyed their own people - absolute scum. Don't think there's much more needs to be said about it. I've increasingly met more and more people caught up in it over the last few years and it's clear the effect it had on them.
 
Raulduke said:
20 years today since the Omagh bomb. I'll never forget that day and think about it often, such an absolutely senseless loss of life.

This is a pretty tough watch in parts and how these guys can speak so coherently about it says alot about their strength.

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Good documentary

I remember that day very well. I have friends in Omagh who thankfully weren’t in it, but it affected me for a while seeing those pictures from a town I know well
 
Raulduke said:
20 years today since the Omagh bomb. I'll never forget that day and think about it often, such an absolutely senseless loss of life.

This is a pretty tough watch in parts and how these guys can speak so coherently about it says alot about their strength.

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Was 7 but still remember that day. Dad had just left town minutes before
 
arnie_ni said:
Was 7 but still remember that day. Dad had just left town minutes before
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Was eight and the newspaper pictures and tv reports in the days after are some of my most vivid childhood memories, not least because of the young age of some of the victims.
 
Reading some posts from this thread... cant understand the fascination with a united Ireland other than a religious one.

The South by and large as an economy are worse of than the north, no more nhs, no more free schools, id imagine there'd be a massive cut in benefits etc.

Financially it makes zero sense
 
arnie_ni said:
Reading some posts from this thread... cant understand the fascination with a united Ireland other than a religious one.

The South by and large as an economy are worse of than the north, no more nhs, no more free schools, id imagine there'd be a massive cut in benefits etc.

Financially it makes zero sense
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First it has absolutely nothing to do with religion.
There are of course pros and cons economically but you are completely wrong on the economy being worse, wages are much higher in the South ( as are benefits btw)
Schools are free but the NHS is more the insurance model ( the tory model for the UK if they could get their way)

There is no huge economic driver at the moment but that may all change after Brexit.
 
arnie_ni said:
Reading some posts from this thread... cant understand the fascination with a united Ireland other than a religious one.

The South by and large as an economy are worse of than the north, no more nhs, no more free schools, id imagine there'd be a massive cut in benefits etc.

Financially it makes zero sense
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Bascially you dont want a United Ireland so you are just throwing falsehoods at it. It makes more financial sense than a quarter of the island belonging to another island. I suggest you actually do some basic research on both economies before spouting waffle.
 
edgar allan said:
First it has absolutely nothing to do with religion.
There are of course pros and cons economically but you are completely wrong on the economy being worse, wages are much higher in the South ( as are benefits btw)
Schools are free but the NHS is more the insurance model ( the tory model for the UK if they could get their way)

There is no huge economic driver at the moment but that may all change after Brexit.
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In the not too distant future the demographics will swap to a nationalist majority and then its only a waiting game. Brexit and the damage it will do to the UK and especially NI will be an accelerator.
 
Ramshock said:
In the not too distant future the demographics will swap to a nationalist majority and then its only a waiting game. Brexit and the damage it will do to the UK and especially NI will be an accelerator.
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On religious headcount it could be a very long waiting game as there will be a significant percentage of nationalists that may not vote for a UI.
Brexit is the game changer however, there is no doubt that the North's economy will implode, if the South can keep it's head above water then the economic pull could be the deciding factor in the long run.
 
Grinner said:
Eire doesn't have NHS or free schools? I had no idea.
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Ramshock said:
Who says it doesnt have free schools? The health system is a mess when it shouldnt be. A country with 5 million people should be easily paid for.
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edgar allan said:
First it has absolutely nothing to do with religion.
There are of course pros and cons economically but you are completely wrong on the economy being worse, wages are much higher in the South ( as are benefits btw)
Schools are free but the NHS is more the insurance model ( the tory model for the UK if they could get their way)

There is no huge economic driver at the moment but that may all change after Brexit.
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Grinner said:
The bloke above me.
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Ramshock said:
Bascially you dont want a United Ireland so you are just throwing falsehoods at it. It makes more financial sense than a quarter of the island belonging to another island. I suggest you actually do some basic research on both economies before spouting waffle.
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Ramshock said:
Yeah well I wouldnt put too much stock in anything he says if thats the level of posting he does.
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i work with a woman who lives just over the border. She has to pay for all her medical care and pay for all her kids textbooks etc etc in school.

I am judging this on what she says, she, who lives in the south says the north would be stupid to push for a united Ireland.

Is there a housing crisis as well or is that purely Dublin area?
 
Grinner said:
yeah it sounds like he's posting bollocks.
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How about having a bit of manners and actually taking the time to correct me.

As i said this woman i work with says in the south you pay for medical care and schools? Is that not true? If not actually take a second and correct it
 
arnie_ni said:
How about having a bit of manners and actually taking the time to correct me.

As i said this woman i work with says in the south you pay for medical care and schools? Is that not true? If not actually take a second and correct it
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Do you have anything besides anecdotal evidence? A bloke I know says that the NHS practices euthanasia but I don't claim it as fact.
 
Grinner said:
Do you have anything besides anecdotal evidence? A bloke I know says that the NHS practices euthanasia but I don't claim it as fact.
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Again bloody hell just tell me thats not the case if its not... but good ole wikipedia (sarcasm) says 68.1 percent of the southern population isnt entitled to the medical card which gets you free health care...

Again is this not true? A simple yes or no will suffice.

The whole leave campaign for brexit appears to be based on lies, so itd be nice to get a honest answer to questions northerners would have if a united Ireland vote ever came to pass
 
I don't fecking know, I've got one mick telling me it is and one that it isn't. You lot just need to stop fighting and unite on the facts.
 
Grinner said:
I don't fecking know, I've got one mick telling me it is and one that it isn't. You lot just need to stop fighting and unite on the facts.
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Oh your not from ireland? Apologies i thought you were. I have a woman i have worked with albeit for a year telling me the economy would be worse of in a united Ireland and that school and medical care isnt free. I believed her.

If that's not the case someone correct it... please
 
"Ireland has a comprehensive, government funded public healthcare system.

A person living in Ireland for at least one year is considered by the HSE to be 'ordinarily resident' and is entitled to either full eligibility (Category 1) or limited eligibility (Category 2) for health services.

People who have not been resident in Ireland for at least one year must satisfy the HSE that it is their intention to remain for a minimum of one year in order to be eligible for health services. Dependants of such individuals must also contact the HSE to confirm their eligibility.

Category 1 - People with Medical Cards

Over 30% of people in Ireland have medical cards. Medical Cards allow people to get a wide range of health services and medicines free of charge. You can read more about Medical Cards and how to apply for one here.

Category 2 - People without Medical Cards

People without medical cards can still access a wide range of community and hospital health services, either free of charge or at reduced cost. This website contains a detailed directory of the services that are provided by the HSE, and information on how to access them. Use the menu on the left to browse a detailed list of services nationwide. Read more here about Charges for Hospital Care and Emergency Services"
 
sullydnl said:
"Ireland has a comprehensive, government funded public healthcare system.

A person living in Ireland for at least one year is considered by the HSE to be 'ordinarily resident' and is entitled to either full eligibility (Category 1) or limited eligibility (Category 2) for health services.

People who have not been resident in Ireland for at least one year must satisfy the HSE that it is their intention to remain for a minimum of one year in order to be eligible for health services. Dependants of such individuals must also contact the HSE to confirm their eligibility.

Category 1 - People with Medical Cards

Over 30% of people in Ireland have medical cards. Medical Cards allow people to get a wide range of health services and medicines free of charge. You can read more about Medical Cards and how to apply for one here.

Category 2 - People without Medical Cards

People without medical cards can still access a wide range of community and hospital health services, either free of charge or at reduced cost. This website contains a detailed directory of the services that are provided by the HSE, and information on how to access them. Use the menu on the left to browse a detailed list of services nationwide. Read more here about Charges for Hospital Care and Emergency Services"
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So 30 percent get more or less free health care, 70 percent have to pay for alot but not all of their healthcare, Which includes a 100 euro charge to go to the outpatients?
 
arnie_ni said:
Oh your not from ireland? Apologies i thought you were. I have a woman i have worked with albeit for a year telling me the economy would be worse of in a united Ireland and that school and medical care isnt free. I believed her.

If that's not the case someone correct it... please
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No and I was surprised to read what you posted. It helps to post facts and evidence if you're making an argument so those of us who don't much about the subject can rectify that.
 
Grinner said:
No and I was surprised to read what you posted. It helps to post facts and evidence if you're making an argument so those of us who don't much about the subject can rectify that.
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Honesty i dont know much about it either tbh. I made the initial mistake of posting what i was told as fact rather than asking if its true
 
edgar allan said:
On religious headcount it could be a very long waiting game as there will be a significant percentage of nationalists that may not vote for a UI.
Brexit is the game changer however, there is no doubt that the North's economy will implode, if the South can keep it's head above water then the economic pull could be the deciding factor in the long run.
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It wont be along religious lines. Hopefully people will vote for their wallets here for once
 
Just clarify a little, I hope: primary and secondary public schools are “free” in Ireland. Parents have to pay for uniforms and books, but the tuition is free. There are plenty of private schools too which of course are fee based.
Healthcare: not totally free for all with set charges for ambulance, etc, but it’s heavily subsidized so that patients pay nominal & capped sums for all sorts of treatment. Pogue can speak to this in more detail and with more clarity.

So, to say that education and medical is not free “down south” is misleading.
 
People voting for their wallets won’t be voting for a United Ireland. A huge proportion of the population are employed by the British Government and it seems to get ignored over and over again when this debate raises its head.
 
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