Do innocent men often go on the run?
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Because he is a murderer, I don't need a judge to tell me that.
How is his letter not a get out of jail free card then?
So you just decide who is guilty then, is that it? he has never been convicted of that attack so he is innocent until proven guilty.
It's not a get out of jail card because that was not the purpose of the letters. Those letters do not tell people that they are immune from prosecution but instead that they are not being sought after, there's a massive difference. The only reason that Downey isn't being prosecuted now is because of what basically boils down to a clerical error, certainly not because he was immune to prosecution.
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It has never been proven that Downey was guilty in this instance. Whether he was on the run or not is irrelevant.
As I said, I don't need a judge to tell me that a murderer is a murderer, you know it, I know it everybody knows it. He's as much a murdering scum bag as Jonny Adair is.
In the case of Downey it is a get out of jail free card, it doesn't matter that it was sent in error, the letters should never have been sent in the first place. Why would he go on the run if he's innocent? You say it's not relevant, have a word with yourself will ya.
He's a terrorist, a scum bag, a murderer, a coward and should be rotting in jail for the rest of his miserable life. Instead he's been issued a letter that stopped him going on trial, yet you somehow think that's ok? I wonder if you would be saying the same if it was the other way round or worse it was a member of your family that was blown up?
He hasn't been convicted in connection to the bombing and all you are doing is pointlessly engaging in theatrics.
Sensationalist nonsense.
I am not talking about Downey you clown I am talking about Robinsons handling of the situation. Wake up ffs
Apparently Getsme doesnt think the law matters when it comes to this guy.
Yeah, because thats the more serious concern here.Further, no need for the insult.
What?
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It isn't really. Innocent people don't go on the run.
Further, no need for the insult.
What?
Its all that matters to my original post which was concerning Peter Robinsons handling of the situation not the situation itself. You are making
this all a bit too obvious Iris.
Firstly stop railroading what I am talking about back to Downey..I was talking about Robinson.
Secondly as stated by another poster Downey was never actually charged with the killings and he also, however erroneously, was given
this get of out jail free card. Whether it was a blunder or not the guy is a free man and
Thirdly if you believe the DUP did not know about Downey or any of the OTR's then you are very naive. Its been said by many involved there is no way they couldn't have. It was even called out by that fat idiot Stephen Nolan that Robinson was posturing and would get out of his "offer" of resignation by backing an inquiry and for once Nolan was proved right . Peter Robinson made this symbolic gesture for face saving purposes and for electoral purposes end of.
How can it not be brought back to Downey or any other terrorist who may get off with murder because of these letters, the two are linked even if it doesn’t suit you to think so. You said that Robinson was electioneering, maybe he was but the point remains, the letters should never have went out and he got what he wanted by threatening to quit. I’d much rather him do that than try and brush it under the carpet.
He’s as guilty as any other terrorist out there, you know it I know it everybody knows it, he was charged with the 1982 IRA attack in Hyde Park in which four members of the Household Cavalry were killed, he went on the run and was wanted by the Met for over 30 years, they were unaware that he was given a letter that meant he wouldn’t be arrested because of the Northern Ireland peace process. He’s a free man for one reason only and that is due to the ‘Get out of jail free card’ which was mistakenly given to him. The truth will never come out and yet our politicians should just shrug their shoulders, and say nothing?
Do you now agree that there should be no prosecution or inquiry for Bloody Sunday?
I don’t give a sh*t if the DUP knew about the letters, one thing I can guarantee you is that they didn’t know about the Downey letter, the electorate didn’t know about the letters and Robinson may have been saving face by threatening to quit, but who cares, you seem to be more concerned about that than a well-known terrorist not having to face trial. Says it all really.
Theres a lot of well known terrorists on the run. Its not my fault that Downey is free and clear. My point was entirely about how the unionists were up in arms about it when most of them knew all about it including Robinson. Says it all really
I didn't say it was your fault.
You're failing to see my point. Even if they knew about the letters, I'm sure they didn't know about the one sent to Downey, how many more have been sent out in error? Would you rather if was just brushed under the carpet?
I didn't say it was your fault.
You're failing to see my point. Even if they knew about the letters, I'm sure they didn't know about the one sent to Downey, how many more have been sent out in error? Would you rather if was just brushed under the carpet?
He did know, the only reason why he offered to quit was because it came out. He knew about Downey
And you know this how?
Its called reading and its also common sense
Yeah I thought it was hilarious too but thats what you get with the unionist leaders. Shower of two faced cnuts
The last sentence tells me all I need to know. I'd imagine your more upset over Robinsons statement than you with a terrorist not going on trial for murder.
Yeah you already said that. Lets see what comes out after the elections on May 22nd
Well are you? Do you also now agree that all soldiers including those involved in the Bloody Sunday shooting should now be free from prosecution?
I've said it before, I don't give a shit if Robinson knew or not, all I know is a scumbag should have faced the courts, but he's got of with it thanks to these letters.
And all I am saying to you is that this scumbag was known by everyone. So what you should be doing instead of bitching about it online is writing to your local MP or MLA and ask for clarification about Downey and why he is a free man after apparently killing 4 soldiers and 7 horses in 1982
I know why he's a free man, everyone does.
You should become a politician, your great at deflecting questions.
Ive not deflected anything..this whole conversation started because you replied to my post which was a post about Peter Robinson not about John Downey or Hyde Park. We are going around in circles here. Surely you realize that there are elections coming up and a lot of this is all posturing. They really don't give a shit about whether John Downey goes to prison or not what they give a shit about is how they look to the electorate.
So when this story broke Peter Robinson had an "oh fck" moment and then did what I suppose was the only thing left for him to do which was deny all knowledge and threaten to resign as first minister knowing what repercussions that would have on the assembly. Notice how he just didn't flat our resign, obviously wasn't disgusted enough, so he backs down 24 hours later after his mate David Cameron says there will be an inquiry. An inquiry, as everybody knows, takes a while to happen and coincidentally it wont go down until after the election. Pretty straightforward skull duggery in my opinion. Downey may very well be guilty and deserves to be in prison if he indeed did it but for people in power to say they didnt know about his situation are just flat out lying.
I'm leaving it there, no point discussing it when you refuse to answer the question.
You are a 12 year old
You really are a poster of nonsense.
Any Belfast tards hear that explosion or whatever it was? Was fecking loud, heard it even with the window shut.
Only a bomb under a police patrol, no serious injured.
Yeah wee buns that...
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ossan-shot-dead-in-west-belfast-30198860.html
By Claire Cromie – 18 April 2014
Prominent dissident Republican Tommy Crossan has been shot dead in west Belfast
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The fatal shooting happened near the Peter Pan Centre industrial estate on the Springfield Road just before 5pm on Good Friday.
A section of the Springfield Road has been closed to traffic while police investigate the scene.
Mr Crossan served six years in Maghaberry prison for conspiracy to murder RUC officers following a gun attack on a police station in west Belfast.
He was the former commanding officer of the Continuity IRA - a hardline republican terrorist group opposed to the Irish peace process.
He was also a father of four, and had been warned that his life was in danger some years ago after being threatened.
He told the Sunday World: "I'm going nowhere. My conscience is clear."
SDLP Councillor Colin Keenan, who lives nearby, has released a statement condemning the murder adding: "in doing so I reflect the view of all of the community."
He said: "There is a real sense of shock that this has happened.
"I was on the scene shortly after this tragic event and I extend my heartfelt sympathy to the victim's family.
By Claire Cromie – 18 April 2014
Prominent dissident Republican Tommy Crossan has been shot dead in west Belfast
Also in this Section
The fatal shooting happened near the Peter Pan Centre industrial estate on the Springfield Road just before 5pm on Good Friday.
A section of the Springfield Road has been closed to traffic while police investigate the scene.
Mr Crossan served six years in Maghaberry prison for conspiracy to murder RUC officers following a gun attack on a police station in west Belfast.
He was the former commanding officer of the Continuity IRA - a hardline republican terrorist group opposed to the Irish peace process.
He was also a father of four, and had been warned that his life was in danger some years ago after being threatened.
He told the Sunday World: "I'm going nowhere. My conscience is clear."
SDLP Councillor Colin Keenan, who lives nearby, has released a statement condemning the murder adding: "in doing so I reflect the view of all of the community."
He said: "There is a real sense of shock that this has happened.
"I was on the scene shortly after this tragic event and I extend my heartfelt sympathy to the victim's family.
i hope that is a unique incident and not the start of anything
Gerry Adams interviewed by PSNI about the murder of Jean McConville. Think he went voluntarily
Being reported he was arrested now
Apparently he handed himself in and was then arrested.