Northern Ireland Thread

Saoirse. said:
Parade and Bonfires on both sides are not only stupid but also a massive waste of tax payers money. Paying police to close off roads and inconveniencing road tax paying motorists so a load of bigots living in the past as march up and down playing shit music wearing shitty uniforms. Bonfires are an absolute disgrace, burning tyres, inciting hatred, structures so tall they break all health and safety regulations- not to mention the clean up costs being well into the thousandsand then some. Load of bullshit should all be banned.
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There's a difference between a parade,and a riot.

I've been at maybe 10 or 11 different events up North, about 70% of them were cross community marches IE Mayday parades, peace walks, the likes. I've also been at a few Republican demos in Belfast, all of which have been entirely peaceful bar one. When I was actually threatened by a flag protester outside City Hall for being a wee fenian bastard.

I have a friend in The Alliance Party, a Protestant guy, moderately Unionist, but doesn't spend to much time thinking about it. He's had the exact same experiences, but the threat came from a Republican (presuming he was a provo)

Anyway, what I'm trying to say here is that all the DUP/UUP,PUP, and Sinn Fein, are two cheeks of the same arse. They need each other so they have people to hate, because without hatred, bigotry, and sectarianism. The majority of the mainline parties in the country would go defunct in a week.
 
So are kids in NI still referring to themselves as protestants and Catholics, then?

In my experience in the rest of the UK, most young people no longer identify as Christians, let alone specify a denomination. Almost all of my friends are non-religious. I imagine among school age kids now the lack of attachment is even greater. Are we seeing a similar pattern in NI?

I think once you get rid of the utterly stupid and moronic religious labels, tribalism will be greatly be reduced. Obviously the issues are about more than simple religious tribalism, but the religious element clearly fuels the divide which is responsible for the tensions.
 
rednev said:
So are kids in NI still referring to themselves as protestants and Catholics, then?

In my experience in the rest of the UK, most young people no longer identify as Christians, let alone specify a denomination. Almost all of my friends are non-religious. I imagine among school age kids now the lack of attachment is even greater. Are we seeing a similar pattern in NI?

I think once you get rid of the utterly stupid and moronic religious labels, tribalism will be greatly be reduced. Obviously the issues are about more than simple religious tribalism, but the religious element clearly fuels the divide which is responsible for the tensions.
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Religion is still used to distinguish between the two sides, however the ironic thing is I would say the majority of extremists on both sides don't practice Religion so it is is a misleading label.

Our schools are State schools (Protestant) or Catholic schools with just 5% of all schools in the North integrated. The reluctance to integrate on both sides is mainly down to a fear or culture being diluted or even lost- which as tribal as it sounds this is a valid point. NI is different to other countries, the state was founded on Unionist v Nationalist grounds! It's not likely to ever stop being a separatist state- I don't think integrating the community is the way forward either, every community in the World had sections which follow their own traditions and NI is no different in that respect- I only wish for it to be a peaceful.
 
rednev said:
In my experience in the rest of the UK, most young people no longer identify as Christians, let alone specify a denomination. Almost all of my friends are non-religious. I imagine among school age kids now the lack of attachment is even greater. Are we seeing a similar pattern in NI?
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We're an incredibly tribal people in general like. Religion doesn't have as much to do with it as you'd imagine.
 
rednev said:
So are kids in NI still referring to themselves as protestants and Catholics, then?

In my experience in the rest of the UK, most young people no longer identify as Christians, let alone specify a denomination. Almost all of my friends are non-religious. I imagine among school age kids now the lack of attachment is even greater. Are we seeing a similar pattern in NI?

I think once you get rid of the utterly stupid and moronic religious labels, tribalism will be greatly be reduced. Obviously the issues are about more than simple religious tribalism, but the religious element clearly fuels the divide which is responsible for the tensions.
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You're either a Protestant Atheist, or a Catholic Atheist.
 
There's the old classic about a Muslim being asked was he a catholic Muslim or a protestant Muslim.

Everyone needs a label and for most people the religion means nothing.
 
Wankers. They really do try their hardest to intimidate normal people with their millions of flags, the painted kerbing and the disgusting murals. Aids on them.
 
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Amazing really the mindset of some people. Acu will come now with some cock and bull story saying nationalists have done the same in an effort to justify while condemning. It's all coming from 'the one side' these days.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
Amazing really the mindset of some people. Acu will come now with some cock and bull story saying nationalists have done the same in an effort to justify while condemning. It's all coming from 'the one side' these days.
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Didn't they name a park in Newry after Raymond McCreesh? In the interest of fairness, naming it after Lenny Murphy was never going to happen and as I understand it, the bid to name it after him didn't receive anywhere near the top votes. It's just sensationalist media trying to stir the pot, imo.
 
PhilipB said:
Didn't they name a park in Newry after Raymond McCreesh? In the interest of fairness, naming it after Lenny Murphy was never going to happen and as I understand it, the bid to name it after him didn't receive anywhere near the top votes. It's just sensationalist media trying to stir the pot, imo.
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Thats exactly why they did it you can bet on it. I wonder if they wanted a sculpture of a colombian necktie
 
PhilipB said:
Didn't they name a park in Newry after Raymond McCreesh? In the interest of fairness, naming it after Lenny Murphy was never going to happen and as I understand it, the bid to name it after him didn't receive anywhere near the top votes. It's just sensationalist media trying to stir the pot, imo.
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If the Newry Park is called that then they should be ashamed too. Can people not just get a fecking grip of themselves. The tit for tat attacks have gone from killing to this pathetic shit stirring.
 
I actaully cannot believe what I just read with that Lenny Murphy thing!! Unreal. The politicians did their best to dismiss it, and in fairness it probably would never have got passed, but what on earth is wrong with people to even suggest that name? Joking or not.

Crazy crazy shit.
 
PhilipB said:
Didn't they name a park in Newry after Raymond McCreesh? In the interest of fairness, naming it after Lenny Murphy was never going to happen and as I understand it, the bid to name it after him didn't receive anywhere near the top votes. It's just sensationalist media trying to stir the pot, imo.
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Yep, SF/SDLP idea. Caused havoc, still is.
 
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