I absolutely can. I believe his secondary bowlers are not that great (as compared to mine, esp in Pak) and my 3 & 4 batsman are spectacular making it more of a mismatch. Viv and Dean will have great outing here.
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I absolutely can. I believe his secondary bowlers are not that great (as compared to mine, esp in Pak) and my 3 & 4 batsman are spectacular making it more of a mismatch. Viv and Dean will have great outing here.
theres another video i posted in my first post or so in this thread where he helped England chase down WI's score of 243 (a big score in 1987), after they found themseves 162/7. They went on to win the match by 2 wickets with Lamb scoring 67 off 68.
On Aaqib, he could have been one of the greats of Pakistani bowler if he hadnt started speaking out against the match fixers in our side back then. Was too honest for his own good.
Dont really like your batting nm, kirsten is okay but chanderpaul is going to slow things a great deal when opening. A middle order of kohli,lamb,malik is hugely reliant on kohli since the other two are average/below par players. Dhoni and Flintoff to finish things off are a dream though, cant ask for two better players but having shakib there weakens the bowling a bit.
For EAP, again slow openers in marsh and dravid, but his middle order is brilliant. Jones,Richards and Flowers can move things along very nicely in the middle order but lacks that firepower at the end to get a huge score. Would expect him to get between 270-300 batting first.
On a bowling front, I think man to man EAP wins out on four out of the five bowlers. His strike bowlers are beter than yours, I prefer Aaqib as a first change to bracken while swann just edged shakib. Not a lot in it though, harris medium pace will be hard to hit as well if your batsman need quick runs even though flintoff is a better bowler.
Also, @Edgar Allan Pillow what the feck is harris doing batting at 8?
Simon O'Donnell had normal swing in wickets that generated movement and Freddie Flintoff had mastery over all swing including Reverse swing and late swing. He was one of the few English bowlers who had the ability to bowl reverse swing. As already stated Simon O'Donnell is a very effective LOI bowler. Both of them arent any worse than Javed and Harris at any rate.
Marshall has an average of 31 in India from 11 games in comparison to Bracken who has an average of 21 from 18 games. That too, bowling was relatively easier in the 1980s than in the mid 2000s when bracken bowled. I dont know in what way Marshall is way better than Bracken.
Marshall has an average of 31 in India from 11 games in comparison to Bracken who has an average of 21 from 18 games. That too, bowling was relatively easier in the 1980s than in the mid 2000s when bracken bowled. I dont know in what way Marshall is way better than Bracken.
Cant compare flintoff swinging the ball in england to doing the same in pakistan, his figures in Pakistani conditions are average I would say and I did say he was a better bowler than harris for me.
Again, you cant compare the stats in India since India's and Pakistan's pitches are a lot different. You guys normally have slower pitches which aids a bowler like bracken more than someone like marshall.
None of the West Indian greats were only pace. Come on mate.
In what way is Malik not as good as Flower? Especially in Pakistan playing at home? Flower's record in Pak is way worse than Malik (obviously). And Lamb is a very good player as well and can clearly move things just as quickly as Jones (going by their SR quicker) especially chasing.
You have to be kidding with the Aaqib > Bracken as in all possible fronts Bracken is way better.
Flintoff averages 25 in the games he played in Pak though. As for Bracken, he averages 24 in Australia as well so he clearly can strike irrespective of the slowness of the wicket. (Marshall averages 27 in Aus). Hell in his 15 games in WI, he averages 17 vs Marshall's 25 in his 18 games.
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In what way is Malik not as good as Flower? Especially in Pakistan playing at home? Flower's record in Pak is way worse than Malik (obviously). And Lamb is a very good player as well and can clearly move things just as quickly as Jones (going by their SR quicker) especially chasing.
You have to be kidding with the Aaqib > Bracken as in all possible fronts Bracken is way better.
Flintoff averages 25 in the games he played in Pak though. As for Bracken, he averages 24 in Australia as well so he clearly can strike irrespective of the slowness of the wicket. (Marshall averages 27 in Aus). Hell in his 15 games in WI, he averages 17 vs Marshall's 25 in his 18 games.
Because I have watched a lot more of malik than flowers so remember his worse games ( which he has loads of) more than his better games. To me, he is an average player who had the potential to be better but wasted it.
Aaqib averages 24 in Pak with a strike rate of 35. Bracken has never played in Pakistan so going by the rules that has to count against him, as these are foreign conditions for him. Thats why I advised @Skills to have a brief description of the conditions and pitch rather than saying the match is held in pakistan so we can expand the sample size from which we should judge players by.
Australia and Pakistan pitches are vastly different as well, and I disagree with bracken being a better bowler than aaqib on all fronts. Yeah, I already said that flintoff ( your fourth bowler) is better than his.
I'd argue both Bracken and Freddie are better bowlers than Javed imo. Never rated him, but that's probably cause I compare him with Wasim and Waqar. Anybody would struggle in their shadow
Yeah I think that definitely played a part in it, but like I said he never got a fair chance either due to not taking part in the match fixing culture.
So you adjudged Flower to be better simply because you havent seen him as much?
The conditions will support pace and swing. Which means, fast bowlers will be helped in this pitch. Not bowling in the country doesnt really mean anything. Because Aus hasnt toured Pakistan since 1998 or so, even the likes of Brett Lee hasnt bowled in Pakistan either so would you say he wouldnt be effective in Pakistan? The location here is based on conditions. It doesnt require that you need to have played there. you have to prove that the player would be successful in those conditions. In this case Pakistan pitches are slower than Aus wickets but not as slow as the Indian ones. So its fair to say that he would succeed well here, given that his records are top in the other regions.
you know a lot more about Pak cricket than me, but I can respect him if he didn't do that.
Yes, but its more the opposite. I have watched a lot of malik, so I know his weaknesses more than most. Thats why I wouldnt say he is anything better than average, but he was always good for a knock vs India which is why you rate him a lot higher than I do.
Dont remember exactly as it beens too long since we had a match here, but the ball doesnt swing the same way in pakistan as it does aboard. The help for bowlers dries up pretty quickly and to be successful you have to be able to bowl it fuller and have good reverse swing later on.
Never claimed otherwise. I recall specifically saying swing be part of any great speed merchant or something like that.
His standard position is #7. The next 2 positions he's played most in are #6 and #8. His average is higher in #8 and proves that he can deliver big hits at the end too. The fact stands that he is a capable tail end batsman.
He was a very slow batsman though, would be uselss in the modern game as an 7/8.
Just read, Javed could reverse swing.
Indeed mate. Pak at time was known for reverse swingers. Wasim, Javed and Younis were all exponents in that. Aaqib spent his time in shadows of the other two greats, but when Younis was injured in the WC he took over and performed very well. I would not call him a great bowler, but his stats within Pakistan are superb. Here he has that advantage to exploit.
Grant Flower isnt as good as Malik in Pakistan though. So relatively Malik is still a better #5 than Flower.
And if the likes of Pathan and all can get swing from Pak wickets, then I doubt Bracken would struggle here anyways.
Well that would hold good for any comparison between era's. He certainly is no Dhoni. Anyways I doubt it'd come down to him. He's just there to hit a couple of big shots...just in case.
cool. may have misread it. I love Dravid, Viv and Jones (picked him in a draft before) so am enjoying your team too. Jadeja is still a cnut though.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...?class=2;host=7;template=results;type=batting
Like I said he only comes good against India, thats why his average is so good at home. If you exclude srilanka and India (both sides with historically weak bowlers), his average is the same as flowers.
He is. I was so devastated when he got caught in the match fixing comments, but then still...I spent so much time watching him in ODIs...and it does get better with time. I managed to block out the match fixing and remember only the Bangalore match!
I don't get that MJJ. If we discount anybody's stats against teams with weaker bowlers, their stats will go lower. Even the likes of Dravid/Tendulkar
Am just saying that you cant say Malik is such a good batsman at home based on his career average since its highly inflated due to two or three series. Its just my dislike of all modern pakistani batsmen.
Really? If you are looking at all time lists, Viv Richards and Dean Jones will be ranked ahead of Dhoni and Kohli.
Don't like NM's order. Malik at 5 is so wrong. Fred belongs at 5. Even Shakib should be ahead of Malik.
Pakistanis all hate Malik
He batted very well there per the stats mate. I think you guys hate malik the way I hate jadeja
where?
Just google all time great ODI batsman and take a look. Random lists imho!
Kohli may well go down as the chasing GOAT when he retires IMO. He's up there in "modern" cricket right now.
Dhoni is definitely one of the best captains around, and the best finisher. I don't remember enough of Bevan, but he's the only competition.
Kohli may well go down as the chasing GOAT when he retires IMO. He's up there in "modern" cricket right now.
Dhoni is definitely one of the best captains around, and the best finisher. I don't remember enough of Bevan, but he's the only competition.
Can't remember Bevan? I'm feeling old!
No wonder I'm not able to get any traction to Jadeja and Flower. http://www.relianceiccrankings.com/playerdisplay/odi/batting/?id=6609&graph=rating
Seems to be updated. Here's the all time based on their 'peak'.
http://www.relianceiccrankings.com/alltime/odi/
Can't remember Bevan? I'm feeling old!
http://www.relianceiccrankings.com/playerdisplay/odi/batting/?id=6609&graph=rating
Seems to be updated. Here's the all time based on their 'peak'.
http://www.relianceiccrankings.com/alltime/odi/
I was a 90s kid. I should remember him!
Can't remember Bevan? I'm feeling old!
http://www.relianceiccrankings.com/playerdisplay/odi/batting/?id=6609&graph=rating
Seems to be updated. Here's the all time based on their 'peak'.
http://www.relianceiccrankings.com/alltime/odi/
Dude this list has Abbas at 2. It is wrong. QED.
Dhoni and Bevan are great finishing chases but an ideal finisher should be complete enough to be great and putting on a huge score as well. Dhoni sucks balls when the team is batting first. No way would I give that man a score of 200 from say 35 overs in a first innings, he's wrecked way too many of those situations.
Kohli may well go down as the chasing GOAT when he retires IMO. He's up there in "modern" cricket right now.
Dhoni is definitely one of the best captains around, and the best finisher. I don't remember enough of Bevan, but he's the only competition.
His first innings record is even better
I'll be arsed to find you specific innings later where this guy wrecked the batting order, and in turn the innings. He really has little clue on how to set a target.