Gaming Nintendo 3DS vs PS Vita thread.

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copied from Neogaf, screenshots directly from vita

Turns out all the Uncharted screenshots and videos were actually bullshit. This is the real deal and it's not so pretty.

Still, it's far from bad for a handheld (much better than 3ds) but we were lead to believe the VITA will be capable of so much more..well, it isn't.

What's with the horrible lack of AA? Weaste?
 
Oh. I don't know that. I guess the developers rendered them on more powerful hardware than the retail units. I know nothing about developing though so don't listen to me.
 
I'm watching a stream of some guys playing it right now... Have to say - it doesn't look bad in motion.
Maybe Vita's screenshot function is crap. Maybe it's the jpg compression.
Still, it's not as good as the trailers and such that we've been shown.
 
Throughout history these things are NEVER as good as they are pre-shown. The machines are capable of what is put out, but only under very specific circumstances which almost never happen ingame in real time.

Plus why would you want it close to PS3 levels anyway? You'll never appreciate it on a small screen, no matter how good it is, and it only drives up the cost of both the hardware and software. Since the games are looking like they'll play very similar to their PS3 counterparts (like the PSP to the PS2) so it makes no sense that they look that close and cost a fortune.

Sod AA and all that, on small screens the framerate should matter more because it actually hurts the eyes more at lower fps than on the big screen. Those screens look good to me and I bet on the actual screen, as long as it's smooth, most average person will think it's virtually identical to the PS3 version anyway.
 
Vita sells 321k in the first two days in japan.

50k less than the 3DS did in its first two days and lets face it, the 3DS' launch was far from a success but this quote in particular from the GAF nails it:

It sold that amount in the biggest shopping month of the year with a launch lineup multiple orders of magnitude better than the 3DS'.
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Though its doubled the PSP's sales figures for the same period, you can't help but be underwhelmed by those figures. I can't see where Sony will get the boost that they'll need, in order for the sales to spike.
 
Maybe it's like Weaste always says, people don't want lots of boxes in their front room, maybe it's the same principle. Most people have a smart phone/ds (of whatever sort), what does the Vita really offer to make it worthwhile to pay that kind of money for yet another thing to have to try to squeeze on your person?
 
The idea of having something that's capable of generating PS3 like graphics in your pocket is a cool one but not at that price. They will have to do something with pricing of games as well, in an era when smartphone games cost below $5 and you can get almost all of them for $1 if you wait for promotion, you cannot sell handheld titles for a full price.

I am still considering 3DS, mainly for the 3D effect but realistically I will have to spend £200 for it to have any point, half of that on a system and the other half on expensive games. Struggling to do that when I just spent $10 in App Store and got myself 10 cool games that will occupy me for 100+ hours during my weekly train travels.
 
Sarni said:
The idea of having something that's capable of generating PS3 like graphics in your pocket is a cool one but not at that price. They will have to do something with pricing of games as well, in an era when smartphone games cost below $5 and you can get almost all of them for $1 if you wait for promotion, you cannot sell handheld titles for a full price.

I am still considering 3DS, mainly for the 3D effect but realistically I will have to spend £200 for it to have any point, half of that on a system and the other half on expensive games. Struggling to do that when I just spent $10 in App Store and got myself 10 cool games that will occupy me for 100+ hours during my weekly train travels.
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10$ wasted imo. I've yet to see an iOS game that's actually worth any money.
There's tons of free games for symbian, android, hell, even the snake game can keep you occupied for hours. That's not the point. People buy handhelds for the games. If iPhone has Uncharted or Mario/Zelda type of game for $1 and with proper controls, I'd buy 10.

Dedicated handheld gaming console market is still there. iPhone is not the be all end all of gaming business. Far, far from it.
 
FreakyJim said:
10$ wasted imo. I've yet to see an iOS game that's actually worth any money.
There's tons of free games for symbian, android, hell, even the snake game can keep you occupied for hours. That's not the point. People buy handhelds for the games. If iPhone has Uncharted or Mario/Zelda type of game for $1 and with proper controls, I'd buy 10.

Dedicated gaming console market is still there. iPhone is not the be all end all of gaming business. Far, far from it.
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I have no problem with controls, and most games look every bit as good as on DS/PSP.

GTA3 for example is top notch. I am loving Rainbow Six, new Batman is great, most Gameloft games are very enjoyable.
 
Redlambs said:
Maybe it's like Weaste always says, people don't want lots of boxes in their front room, maybe it's the same principle. Most people have a smart phone/ds (of whatever sort), what does the Vita really offer to make it worthwhile to pay that kind of money for yet another thing to have to try to squeeze on your person?
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It's not a bad number for 2 days. 3DS got into trouble because after the first week it tanked due to no software and consumer confusion as to what it is. If Sony can give VITA software people will buy it, if they can't do that, then it's not going to sell gangbusters. I doubt Sony care ATM to be honest as long as they make a profit on it.
 
Redlambs said:
I'm on the special levels. Still think it's a bit too easy and Mario is slightly sluggish.

Great game all round though.
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Do we have a super mario 3d thread?

I got mine last week. I have to say as a mario fan they've not fulfilled my expectations of the game.

I've not completed it yet I'm on the final bowser castle. The graphics are amazing no qualms with that. The problem I do have is with the quality of the game.

They've based the game around the tenuki suit which wasn't even big in Mario 3 it's use was to protect mario in fire if I remember correctly? It's esentually leaf power without flying but that weird gliding thing he does.

Some of the levels are great but it's lost it's fun factor as in each world in mario is usually defined with certain elements but this one doesn't have any format what so ever. The moves aren't particularly great. The leap jump he does which is run and L/R is hard to perform I could do that with ease on the N64 including the reverse jump. Maybe I need to practise a bit more.........

Each level has a feeling of 3 stages which seems a bit routine to me as it's lost some of it's suprise factor which is disappointing, nintendos got too wrapped up in this 3d thing where you just know that every level you see will consist of squares just to make it look it good or provide a depth which gets all too repetitive.

Mario 64 game had things like races with koopa and little things like this which made the game fun. Mario 64 had those ice blocks you could melt with the fire ball. Where has all that stuff gone? Where have all the enemies gone?

Some have said you don't get enough lives? I think it's too easy i managed to get about 80 lives in around world 6/7 which is way too easy.

The games been tailored to a much younger audience/newbies who have never played the mario series before. I could have completed this game in 2 days if I wanted. My rating

6/10 and that's only due to the 3d.
 
I'd score it a solid enough 7 myself, but I agree with most of your review. It's not just you with the jumping, some bright spark decided a delay between button presses would be good, when in fact it takes away the usual fluidity.

Comparing it to M64 is a bit harsh though, they always have aimed for the more traditional scrolling platformers on their handhelds with the new Mario games. I agree about the suit though, they've based nearly every level around it and it's kind of a cheat.

Try playing the game through without touching it, that adds more challenge and fun for me :)
 
Redlambs said:
I'd score it a solid enough 7 myself, but I agree with most of your review. It's not just you with the jumping, some bright spark decided a delay between button presses would be good, when in fact it takes away the usual fluidity.

Comparing it to M64 is a bit harsh though, they always have aimed for the more traditional scrolling platformers on their handhelds with the new Mario games. I agree about the suit though, they've based nearly every level around it and it's kind of a cheat.

Try playing the game through without touching it, that adds more challenge and fun for me :)
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They missed a big trick with this game. It had huge potential but they went for the easy route. I can see someone who has never played mario before playing this being amazed when actually way short of nintendos standards.

The bowser castles are a bit lame you can just run past him and jump on the button. They've rushed it. I am going to complete it again but to the book getting every star etc and I'll see if my mind changes but I doubt it.

I've read reviews about Mario 7 that it's not up to scratch so Im debating whether to even buy it now. Street fighter is amazing well worth the tenner I spent on that. Not sure what else to buy.
 
Just picked up Starfox 64 3D and Splinter Cell 3D for £15 each new. Only played the former and what a job they've done recreated one of the best shooters of all time.

Even the gyroscope movement adds rather than detracts (even with full 3D on) and it's a nice touch getting the original voice actors to re-record (even if they don't seemed to have learned to act over the last 14 years).

It's a must have and at that price easily one of the best games released this year.
 
Redlambs said:
Just picked up Starfox 64 3D and Splinter Cell 3D for £15 each new. Only played the former and what a job they've done recreated one of the best shooters of all time.

Even the gyroscope movement adds rather than detracts (even with full 3D on) and it's a nice touch getting the original voice actors to re-record (even if they don't seemed to have learned to act over the last 14 years).

It's a must have and at that price easily one of the best games released this year.
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Where did you get yours from? That's a good price
 
Nice one lambs!

Had a quick look online myself - Street Fighter is back up to £14.98 now.. But games like Star Fox, Dead or Alive, Pilotwings, and Resident Evil Mercenaries are the same price. At £19.98 there's Sonic Generations which is tempting me, and there's also Zelda, Formula 1 3D and Pokémon Rumble for that price. Can get Splinter Cell, Tetris, Shinobi and a few others for under £20 and Fifa 12 is also £22.98.

These are all at GAME as well as Gamestation, both online and offline I'm going to assume. However, online on both sites it seems Starfox, Resi Evil, Dead or Alive, and Street Fighter are out of stock..
 
Havak said:
Nice one lambs!

Had a quick look online myself - Street Fighter is back up to £14.98 now.. But games like Star Fox, Dead or Alive, Pilotwings, and Resident Evil Mercenaries are the same price. At £19.98 there's Sonic Generations which is tempting me, and there's also Zelda, Formula 1 3D and Pokémon Rumble for that price. Can get Splinter Cell, Tetris, Shinobi and a few others for under £20 and Fifa 12 is also £22.98.

These are all at GAME as well as Gamestation, both online and offline I'm going to assume. However, online on both sites it seems Starfox, Resi Evil, Dead or Alive, and Street Fighter are out of stock..
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Got my street fighter for 9.99 it was 8.95 for a short time om zavvi. Great game.
 
PSVita sales.......ouch

Sales for week 2 were 72,479. Poor Sony. In comparison the 3DS sold 482,200 units. Says it all really. Its doing worse than the PSP did.

Sony need to realise an expensive handheld will never sell much, unless its got an apple logo on it. Even the 3DS performed badly initially due to its price. No matter how much 'value' Sony may give you in each unit, people simply won't pay ~£250 for a handheld.
 
It'll pick up. To be fair though, the only people interested at that sort of price are fanboys and technology freaks, and they are likely to own both a Ps3 and the same games on it.

A few price cuts and it'll pick up, but they'll likely lose market share this time around.
 
More RE: Revelations reviews (and a video)...

Game Informer - 9/10

- Delivers a console-caliber Resident Evil experience on a handheld
- Rich animations, detailed environments and solid cutscenes make this a visual stunner
- Some of the best music in the series, and disturbing monster noises help get you into the game
- Controls just as smoothly as its console predecessors, and the slick new dodge mechanic makes it even better
- A perfect blend of action and survival are driven home by a gripping episodic narrative that will have you struggling to put down your 3DS
- A story that puts the last two main series entries to shame

"Since its inception in 1996, the Resident Evil series has gradually mutated from the eerie, slow-paced horror into a guns-blazing, explosion-riddled blockbuster. Resident Evil Revelations, the newest worthwhile title for 3DS, improves the fantastic gameplay established by recent entries while rekindling the dread and survival from the earlier games. Jill and Chris' latest ordeal is the most satisfying Resident Evil experience we've played in years."
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Famitsu - 37/40 (10/10/9/8)

Nintendo Power - 9/10

- The cruise ship in the Mediterranean "proves to be the most discomforting since the original RE mansion"
- "The game made me jump with embarrassing regularity while playing in a bright lit office"
- Big focus on exploration and scrounging for items and health
- Main focus is the ship with side plots that require you to play as different characters
- These side plots move much faster (more action) than the main story on the ship
- Game runs in episodes much like a TV series
- "couple of neat plot twists"
- "The big conspiracy at the center of the game never quite managed to hook me"
- No surprise appearances (Jill and Chris are the only old characters to return)
- About 10 hours to complete
- Raid Mode is more focused and more compelling multi player than Mercenaries 3D
- Raid Mode has more "staying power than Mercenaries"
- Same control scheme as Mercenaries
- Use your thumb on the touch screen to activate some fingerprint locks
- StreetPass enables you to receive special rewards for use in both multi and single player modes
- Genesis Bioscanner is a "nifty addition to the RE formula, and something we hope to see expanded upon in the future"
- Production values are great. CGI cinematics and soundtrack are great. "Hard pressed to think of even a Wii game that seems to have as many resources poured into it"
- Underwater is not "nearly as frustrated as it is in most games"

Ending statement:
"If Revelations isn't the best reason to own a Nintendo 3DS right now, it's pretty darn close. The game is a showcase for what the handheld is capable of and a potent reminder of why Resident Evil remains one of the medium's most celebrated franchises."
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EDIT: Latest Japanese sales too

Software

01./01. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.0*** (¥4.800) - 157.188 / 1.317.357 (+44%)
02./04. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.800) - 119.093 / 1.199.285 (+74%)
03./02. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3G # <ACT> (Capcom) {2011.12.10} (¥5.800) - 98.355 / 1.083.853 (-2%)
04./06. [3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go: Shine / Dark <RPG> (Level 5) {2011.12.15} (¥5.800) - 56.134 / 325.358 (+17%)
05./03. [PS3] Warriors Orochi 2 # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2011.12.22} (¥7.800) - 42.464 / 316.516 (-42%)
06./07. [WII] Just Dance Wii <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.10.13} (¥5.800) - 37.266 / 490.677 (+12%)
07./05. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII-2 # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2011.12.15} (¥7.980) - 35.325 / 739.561 (-42%)
08./09. [WII] Wii Party <ETC> (Nintendo) {2010.07.08} (¥4.800) - 33.174 / 2.256.803 (+45%)
09./08. [WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.10.27} (¥5.800) - 33.040 / 570.168 (+37%)
10./11. [WII] Wii Sports Resort with Remote Plus <SPT> (Nintendo) {2010.11.1*** (¥5.800) - 30.783 / 833.757 (+54%)
11./13. [WII] Go Vacation <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.10.20} (¥5.800) - 26.852 / 208.017 (+39%)
12./12. [WII] Mario Kart Wii <RCE> (Nintendo) {2008.04.10} (¥5.800) - 26.346 / 3.474.659 (+36%)
13./23. [3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: French Bulldog / Shiba / Toy Poodle & New Friends <ETC> (Nintendo) {2011.02.26} (¥4.800) - 24.514 / 467.914
14./15. [WII] Inazuma Eleven Strikers 2012 Xtreme <SPT> (Level 5) {2011.12.22} (¥4.980) - 23.521 / 127.410 (+25%)
15./16. [WII] Taiko Drum Master Wii: Definitive Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.11.23} (¥5.040) - 23.422 / 197.003 (+30%)
16./22. [NDS] Magician's Quest: Oshare na Mahou Tsukai <ETC> (Konami) {2011.12.10} (¥4.980) - 19.574 / 165.962
17./24. [NDS] One Piece: Gigant Battle 2 - New World # <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.11.17} (¥5.230) - 18.789 / 290.002
18./26. [PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom 3 (PSP the Best) <ACT> (Capcom) {2011.09.22} (¥2.990) - 18.293 / 154.438
19./21. [WII] Rhythm Heaven: Fever <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.07.2*** (¥5.800) - 15.903 / 670.305
20./17. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2012 <SPT> (Konami) {2011.11.03} (¥4.980) - 15.689 / 173.093 (-12%)

Top 20

WII - 9
3DS - 5
NDS - 2
PS3 - 2
PSP - 2

Hardware

Code: 
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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
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|  3DS  |    240.819 |    197.952 |            |    240.819 |            |   4.522.961 |
|  PS3  |     74.459 |     67.199 |     59.612 |     74.459 |     59.612 |   7.710.844 |
| PSP # |     71.033 |     62.746 |     32.841 |     71.033 |     32.841 |  18.800.397 |
|  WII  |     49.525 |     33.208 |     56.547 |     49.525 |     56.547 |  12.212.743 |
|  PSV  |     42.915 |     42.648 |            |     42.915 |            |     482.901 |
| NDS # |      7.536 |      5.802 |     87.118 |      7.536 |     87.118 |  32.816.023 |
|  360  |      2.738 |      2.453 |      3.859 |      2.738 |      3.859 |   1.538.783 |
|  PS2  |      1.323 |      1.659 |      2.547 |      1.323 |      2.547 |  21.775.429 |
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|  ALL  |    490.348 |    413.667 |    242.524 |    490.348 |    242.524 |  99.860.081 |
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| DSiLL |      3.971 |      3.356 |     44.122 |      3.971 |     44.122 |   2.298.289 |
|  DSi  |      3.565 |      2.418 |     38.486 |      3.565 |     38.486 |   5.837.618 |
|  PSP  |     71.033 |     62.746 |     28.757 |     71.033 |     28.757 |  18.624.433 |
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Redlambs said:
It'll pick up. To be fair though, the only people interested at that sort of price are fanboys and technology freaks, and they are likely to own both a Ps3 and the same games on it.

A few price cuts and it'll pick up, but they'll likely lose market share this time around.
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It's basically tracking what PSP did, but as I said, at this point I doubt that Sony care, as long as they are making money on it. It's not as if it is loaded with titles that the Japanese public wants. Let's see if it gets a Monster Hunter.
 
With the new Resident Evil out in three weeks, Zelda, Mario and Starfox already on the shelves, and MGS about to come out in two months, and me traveling a lot lately, there might just be enough reason to shell out £100 on a 3DS at the moment.
 
WeasteDevil said:
It's basically tracking what PSP did, but as I said, at this point I doubt that Sony care, as long as they are making money on it. It's not as if it is loaded with titles that the Japanese public wants. Let's see if it gets a Monster Hunter.
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Of course they care, you know (and often argue) that market share is all important.

I fully expect it to pick up, but I definitely think with smart phones coming on and the price of the thing, coupled with the economy, people are less and less likely to shell out that kind of money for what is basically a ps3-lite in your pocket. It has no hook, no excitement and not enough (as you point out) variation of game to make it a must have.

Hopefully that'll change in 2012.
 
I think the thing that they are banking on is that it's easy to port console titles to it. But then they do something odd and not give it an HDMI out, so you can't plug it into your TV.

As for caring, Sony as a company really now need to produce profitable hardware, Stringer has fecked it well and truly over.
 
WeasteDevil said:
I think the thing that they are banking on is that it's easy to port console titles to it. But then they do something odd and not give it an HDMI out, so you can't plug it into your TV.
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Yeah, but personally I think that's the downfall. As I say, it's only really going to get ps3-lite games and they don't tend to aim games at those on the move either, so in this current climate I think people aren't bothered about the same 'ol thing.


As for caring, Sony as a company really now need to produce profitable hardware, Stringer has fecked it well and truly over.
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Well as unfortunate as it is, Nintendo learned the hard way with the N64 and Gamecube that being the leader or at least up with the pack technologically, costs money. The Sony group was always going to find it easier in an emerging market, but now that market is reaching it's peak and rivals are developing things of either equal power or innovative in a different way, they are finding it tough after being used to having the lion share of every other market they are involved with.

Won't surprise me if some of the rumours are true that they are already looking at cloud and scrapping the PS4, even if the technology isn't quite ready for full on gaming. Should be interesting no matter what!
 
Redlambs said:
Won't surprise me if some of the rumours are true that they are already looking at cloud and scrapping the PS4, even if the technology isn't quite ready for full on gaming. Should be interesting no matter what!
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I don't think that they are ready quite yet, but PS4 will be the last, there is no doubt about it. The whole Playstation Suite thing has been pointing towards the gaming division being non-machine specific for quite some time.

Also, the fact that Cell and RSX have never been fused into a single package (as the XB360 CPU and GPU have been, and as EE and GS were) tells something to me. That Cell is finally going to be used in their other consumer devices as it was always envisaged - just needed time to get it down in cost and size such that it now probably requires little or even no active cooling. That single chip should be close to being able to power everything from a PS4 (it's going to be paired with something else there I'm sure), to TVs, to AV receivers, to Blu-ray players, to set-top boxes. The whole idea of that CPU was to be scalable, and for AV purposes still smokes everything else in terms of power to performance.

As for PS4 itself, it should come out relatively cheaply as very little R&D is required other than tinkering with the FlexIO on the Cell - probably pairing it with another CPU (maybe a few OoO ARM cores), adding more RAM, and incorporating a modern GPU modified with FlexIO. Blu-ray is now cheap as chips. If you think about it, a modern GPU paired with the Cell would be fine on its own. Remove the need for the Cell to help the GPU, and then let it deal with other things. They should be able now to put out a $350 modern box at cost without any problems whatsoever.

As for money making, PSN is clearly going to have to move towards the being paid for model. The amount of revenue that generates for Microsoft is incredible.
 
Redlambs said:
I'm going to really hate the cloud gaming generation.

Console gaming is generally bad enough as it is, let alone a time when it all gets merged into one and only the easiest crap survives!
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I don't think that Sony are going away, they're still nuts. Have you read this interview with the bloke that replaced Kutaragi?

Future games machines to read your emotions - E & T Magazine

Interview: Masaaki Tsuruta, Sony Computer Entertainment - E & T Magazine

Sony – Masaaki Tsuruta Interview : Media & Entertainment Technology

There's so much to gleam out of that, but this bit stands out (forget the 4000p shite).

He describes the architecture in broad terms: "You are talking about powerful CPU and GPU with extra DSP and programmable logic."

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"We are confident that we can now see a way and that we can use some of these advanced methods to create a new kind of system-on-chip. We think that there are the technologies today that can be taken to this project.”
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The DSP is clearly the SPEs. Toshiba have already stacked the SPURS engine on top of a multi-core ARM die. Programmable logic though is a bit scary!
 
We are still at least a decade away from cloud gaming IMO.

Until the majority of homes has a 50-100mb Internet connection it's pointless.
 
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