It is hard to know for sure the exact number but from what I've seen, false rape claims are generally thought to be under 10%. There are plenty of actual rapists that get off because the victim is afraid to testify or because there isn't enough evidence or because of rape culture stuff about girls getting drunk or going to nightclubs.
Nile Ranger arrested...again & again & again...
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It is hard to know for sure the exact number but from what I've seen, false rape claims are generally thought to be under 10%. There are plenty of actual rapists that get off because the victim is afraid to testify or because there isn't enough evidence or because of rape culture stuff about girls getting drunk or going to nightclubs.
You brought up society's scepticism towards such cases. Remember?
You also cut off the end of my sentence in that quote there, which was an important contextual point, in an attempt to help your e-cred by making my statement look odd.
To clarify, society is sceptical about people who go to night clubs and get so drunk they don't know what they're doing. Society is sceptical about WAGs and WAG culture - i.e girls who grow up with aspirations of marrying a rich football and getting on the cover of OK! magazine. Combine these two elements together then you have a very seedy setting. Throw in an accusation of rape then people are sceptical.
To return to your original point, "why are people sceptical when someone cries rape not other crimes" - well, people will be sceptical when there is a clear potential motive. When Glen Johnson stole a sink from a homeware store it's unlikely that the homeware store had an ulterior motive. Additionally as rape cases are difficult to prove or disprove then it means that the accuser is unlikely to face charges if there claims do not hold up. Hence, there is considerable motive.
I didn't cut it off to "help my e-cred". That's silly. I cut it off because I wanted to have a discussion about rape accusations in general and I didn't want to limit it to just footballers.
Society's skepticism is wrong. The vast majority of rape accusations are not false. Going to clubs, getting extremely drunk, sleeping around...none of these things are invitations for rape. No one here has explicitly said that but much of the same rhetoric used by people who think that has also been used here. There was a thread in the newbies when Ched Evans was convicted with a lot worse.
So far, the discussion has been decent and I've been drinking some so I used it as an opportunity to discuss the larger issues but I do think there is a real problem with how people view rape accusations and some people in this thread and unduly skeptical.
A rape allegation is a very serious allegation, that can tarnish the accused, even before a trial. False accusations do occur as well. I'm not in favor of naming the accused publicly.
Only hours before he was arrested he used more than £1,500 to spell out his name in £20 notes before taking a picture of it and posting it on Instagram.
Only hours before he was arrested he used more than £1,500 to spell out his name in £20 notes before taking a picture of it and posting it on Instagram.
That's not his room is it?Looks an underpass
Only hours before he was arrested he used more than £1,500 to spell out his name in £20 notes before taking a picture of it and posting it on Instagram.
Looks like he's not going to have use for that money in jail
Shame he ran out of £20 notes or he could have finished the sentence with ...is a twat!
I hope, IF this latest incident is true, he finally gets sacked by the club and jailed. He hasn't got a lot of talent but what he has he sure has wasted!
Certainly not the 300 quid or so making up the first 'R'.
Its such a difficult one to talk about, but I think one thing that we can all agree on is that we want more rapists in jail, and for women who have been the victim of rape to come forward and testify.
Slightly unrelated note, I think that the current feminist line of 'rape is rape' is actually quite unhelpful to the debate, and isn't helping their cause. If we examine four different scenarios:
1. Woman next day feels she was too drunk to give consent legally, but has come to believe that she did in fact give consent.
2. Woman next day feels she was too drunk to give consent legally, and can't remember if she did.
3. Woman next day feels she was too drunk to give consent legally, and is certain that she did not.
4. Woman is raped by stranger on way home, with no alcohol involved.
All of these would be considered rape, but I think that it is natural for us to feel different levels of sympathy for the woman involved and different levels of anger towards the perpetrator.
Basically I think that its an issue that's been hijacked by a quite forthright feminist group in society, and thus having real discussion like Ken Clarke tried a couple of years back is seen as completely unacceptable by the media. If however we want to see more of the people who are genuine dangers to the women of our society behind bars I think its a conversation that needs to be had.
I don't agree with naming accused before charges have been made really, in any crime. Particularly high profile ones though where lives can be ruined. The worst case was probably that Joanna Yates when the landlord got arrested which the papers took as a guilty verdict and went to town on him. Really made a mockery of the idea of innocent until proven guilty.
Personally I would get rid of the language of rape and sexual assault altogether, and simply prosecute such offences under normal assault, GBH laws etc. as that is the issue at hand, and the pejorative nature of the terms has the potential to cloud justice in my opinion.
You're right but cases 1-3 would be incredibly difficult to prove in court without some third party witnesses. Two friends of mine (male and female) have been in involved in rape cases involving alcohol one as the accused and one as the victim. The guy claimed it was consensual in both cases, my friend was acquitted; and the girl is still in the process of filing charges, and quite likely it will be the same outcome.
It's quite difficult to prove unless there is some strong evidence to suggest there was some force used during the act.
I'm sure there is, and that's obviously not good. But it's so easy for a girl to make it up as well. Not even talking about doing it for money, I'm sure most of us have been in the position where we've woken up and not been too sure if we'd shagged some bird or your own bird the night before because we were so pissed. Well I can bet when this has happened the other way around there's been a few false rape claims come from it. They'll have consented but been pissed when they did it, and probably regretted doing it.
It's also very easy for a girl to blurt out they were raped if they particularly don't like someone, knowing there won't be any consequences other than his reputation ruined.
I'm not sure what this would solve; rape needs to be a separate offense because of the very particular criteria for what can be called a rape and what can't. That being said though, there is some merit to your argument when it comes to sexual assaults.
Nile Ranger not into flashy hotels... it was a cheap £49 a night hotel room.
Now he's giving it large on twitter
obviously left all his £20s on his bedroom floor
Some of you must realise the inevitable harm if investigating police officers shared your preconceptions? That the experience for victims would be only more gruelling and painful, conviction rates worse still.
The question of anonymity for the accused is a political decision and one rejected in parliament a couple of years ago.
The question of anonymity for the accused is a political decision and one rejected in parliament a couple of years ago.
He has left Newcastle by mutual consent.
I'd probably have plumped for mutual agreement.
Isn't the mutual redundant, then?
...yeah, well, you're redundant.
Good riddance.
Whisper is the West Midlands needs to be worried.
Whisper is the West Midlands needs to be worried.
More arrests than goals for Newcastle
Is he even going to find a new club? He doesn't seem to have any ability and on top if that is a massive idiot. Why would any club go near him?
I see what you did there.
He'll find a club at some level, although he'll probably end up tumbling down the leagues till he plays part time between his stints in prison for some county league team. You have to wonder what Newcastle were thinking with him really, a 5 1/2 year contract for someone who'd never really impressed and with a very shady past. No surprises that since he got the assurance of that contract his behaviour just continued to deteriate.
Would like to see him pose in a Barcodes shirt while in prison
The boy aint right
feck me 
Some people just never learn......
Some people just never learn......Nobody knows the circumstances on this occasion.
Am I missing something as to why lots of these players that repeatedly commit offences still find clubs?
Marlon King is another that comes to mind.
If I or anyone on here committed the kinds of offences that Nile and King did, I doubt we'dd find employment anywhere, ever. Nice to see our most important offending workers are being looked after.
Marlon King is another that comes to mind.
If I or anyone on here committed the kinds of offences that Nile and King did, I doubt we'dd find employment anywhere, ever. Nice to see our most important offending workers are being looked after.
He is an absolute tosser.
Given past evidence you cant blame people for assuming the worst though
Sceptisim on this subject also stems largely from the amount of false allegations made.
Some states recently as to the number of women being prosecuted for making false allegations each year in the UK. If they're being prosecuted that says there is enough evidence for the CPS to proceed rather than simiply not being enough evidence to proceed.
That said, its obviously a very complex issue.
Correct, i'm just saying he might not be at fault on this occasion.
Gangsta wannabe bellend.