Positioning mostly. Jones positioning can be suspect even when he plays at CB, even more in midfield. His strengths are man marking and tackling.
Nigel De Jong
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Positioning mostly. Jones positioning can be suspect even when he plays at CB, even more in midfield. His strengths are man marking and tackling.
If he is a stop gap for a year(maybe only till January) while we wait on Strootman he could well do a job.
Also with no CL a game a week isnt a big ask for a player of 29.
De Jong makes perfect sense as a one or two year transitional stop gap. He would instantly give us a bit of grit and intimidation in midfield, and would complement Herrera nicely. It would also give LvG a bit of time to bring Strootman in Jan.
I still do not understand why we need a stopgap.
We don't have a tackler in midfield so de Jong wouldn't be bad, but I think we should aim higher.
Because many believe LvG is planning a move for Strootman once he is fit again, probably during the January window.
He's a good tackler. We have no one of that ilk in midfield currently. He'd add something for sure but I'd rather see us go with someone with more to his game.
This is just a distractoin from the Vidal thread. I hope Woodie is more focussed than you lot.
So sign a player to use him for 6 months?
Is this happening? And Vidal too? Also Strootman?
Hell yeah, we'll sign all midfielders.
Hell yeah, we'll sign all midfielders.
Have we even been linked to him by any of the reliable media? I saw a Daily Star article about a week ago but that's it?
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No probably 2-3 years. LvG obviously rates him enough to be in the Holland squad so it wouldn't be a stretch to presume he would consider him at Utd.
It is not like it is extremely difficult to get into that midfield. Jonathan De Guzman started their first two matches. I am just totally against this signing would not be much of an improvement on anything we currently have in the first team. I would rather just have Carrick-Herrea as the first choice midfield than waste our time with De Jong.
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There is prolly a good reason why you chit chatting on this forum , while van Gaal is coaching the Dutch NT in Brasil .
There is prolly a good reason why you chit chatting on this forum , while van Gaal is coaching the Dutch NT in Brasil .
You are also chit chatting on a forum just like me. Tell me what you disagree with in my post instead of giving that condescending answer.
I'm sorry to say the fact you need them explained to you is exactly the reason why I laughed at your earlier post. De jong is far superior to Jones at anything to do with being a midfielder. From game reading, to tackling, to defending, to positioning even to keeping possession.
But he is a type of player we don't have in our books. He would be extremely useful in tricky away games, and would help our midfield not get completely dominated at Old Trafford. He's actually a big step up from Anderson, Jones and current Fletcher.
All i'm trying to say is if van Gaal thinks he is good enough , we should trust him!
Spot on. It's also not like De Jong gives way the ball all the time. In fact, his pass completion is usually very high. The only thing ehc an be accused of is having an ordinary passing range. Yet even it is better than that of red cafe cult heroes like Makelele.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/4608/Show/Nigel-de-Jong
Which to be fair he may well not. We'll have to wait and see.
I dont think De Jong is anyone's dream signing, there are plenty of better options out there, I just think he is a very good, cheap and available fall back option. If none of the other options work out Id like to go with this to tide us over. We'll have to see whether Van Gaal agrees with that and obviously if he doesnt Ill also be more than happy to trust that judgement.
Yeah - finished. Just like Robben and RVP.
Herrera is no shrinking violet, Felliani is not one either. I do not think a De Jong type is completely necessary
When you are managing a club side you can bring in players to improve the squad. When managing a national team you have to stick with what you got. Plus being good enough to play for Holland is not the same as being good enough for United.
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Jullian de Guzman plays for Canada
My bad Jonathan always get those two mixed up.
I can't get round the idea of buying squad players in the middle of the park. We have far too many now that we need to get rid. We don't need yet another stop gap...
And De Jong will be 30 in November. He has been around since 18 years of age and I do think his best years are behind him...
If we're honest, a couple of the squad players we have will be extremely lucky to still be that next season. Either too fat, too scared, too shit, too ill or too old.
You don't lose you're stamina at 29, you lose your explosivity.
At 29 you can still improve your stamina and your workrate.
Plus being good enough to play for Holland is not the same as being good enough for United??
Hmmmm there are several players playing for United , who are not good enough for the English NT . I guess the English NT team is a few levels above the Dutch NT ??
I'm sorry but, Fellaini?
I am not giving up on him after just one season. Especially since he battled injuries most of the season. He has looked decent in the World Cup so far.
Define 'decent'
He scored a header which is nothing to do with his ability to get around the pitch and tackle.
I wouldn't be unhappy with DeJong in the short-medium term. Would go some way to stop our midfield getting overrun
He scored a header which is nothing to do with his ability to get around the pitch and tackle.
I wouldn't be unhappy with DeJong in the short-medium term. Would go some way to stop our midfield getting overrun
He has? Sorry, no. Unless Fellaini's throwing himself at high balls he has virtually no use. Fellaini is almost as far away from being 'total football' as Andy Carroll. Can't see what use Van Gaal will have for him.
De Jong I can see a role for. City were silly to sell him when they did and it took them awhile to replace him, neither Javi Garcia or Rodwell was an upgrade. Seeing how De Jong has performed at the World Cup I'd be happy seeing him anchor the United midfield. Especially at the prices being quoted for the guy.
Wouldn't go anywhere near him unless he is really, really on the cheap.
One of the games that Jones has shown proficieny in the midfield role.
De Jong would be as useful as Jones in midfielder, if he is bought to become a utility player. De Jong is not better than Jones in tackling, nor is he better than him in defending. He is only better than him in positioning which comes with the benefit of being a natural midfielder his entire career and perhaps ball rentation ability, which is barely one of his noteworthy attribute. Point still stand that De Jong would barely offer anything different than Jones would as a midfielder in particularly if he is bought to become a utility player. I rather invest in our acedemy player like Ben Pearson or even Erkangame than have another player occupy wallstreet on our bench. While if their is a need for a hardman in midfield, their is Jones and other better option out their that could actually vy for a starting role at united.
By all accounts we are looking for a defensively capable midfielder to partner Herrera. Someone to take over from Carrick really. I'd imagine De Jong is on that list but he's probably our third or fourth choice.
He wouldn't be ideal but if we can't get anyone better then he'd be a good short term solution.
He wouldn't be ideal but if we can't get anyone better then he'd be a good short term solution.
He has started Belgium last two games in midfield and has done a decent job especially defensively.
SIGN HIM UP
Just been on Bluemoon as I like to see whats happening in their transfer section, saw a De Jong thread, so read the last few pages.
Pretty much most of them would be gutted it seemed
Just been on Bluemoon as I like to see whats happening in their transfer section, saw a De Jong thread, so read the last few pages.
Pretty much most of them would be gutted it seemed
Big blow for Holland. De Jong does an excellent job for them.
Don't want him here, old and injured, wanting young players that can press.
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