Nigel De Jong

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I'm sick of us being so 'nice' to play against.

De Jong and Rojo would add some much needed aggression and nastiness to us, which I hope might bring out a bit more edge from others like Rooney, van Persie and Herrera.

That doesn't mean crossing the line and getting themselves sent off. But I want opponents to know they're in a game against us instead of having a free ticket to waltz through our midfield.

The De Jong signing would make a lot of sense. I'd rather have Vidal of course, but if that's not possible now, we should be signing him.
 
I don't think Di Maria will be in midfield either. I think Mata will struggle to play if anything.

De Jong is a good player but he won't transform our midfield. He's better than what we have but not by much (in my opinion).
 
If he was to arrive, I honestly don't care what he does with the ball, as long as he gives that presence in midfield when we don't have the ball. Not even in regards to hard tackling (yes that would be great) but more just his defensive awareness. Too often against us, opposition midfielders get the ball and can attack a 15-20 yard area of space but if De Jong was at the end of that space, which he would usually occupy in a defensive midfield role, it would make the opposition try and go around instead of just walking through.

So in my opinion, the more I think about it, for a short term goal in mind, I think it could prove a great signing and who knows (getting ahead of myself), maybe the most important addition for this season.
 
devilish said:
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---------Herrera--------Mata-------

Januzaj-----------------------Di Maria-

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That is pretty fantastic.

I really believe in what G Nev said yesterday, Di Maria is really going to bring the best out of Mata.
 
Name Changed said:
I don't think Di Maria will be in midfield either. I think Mata will struggle to play if anything.

De Jong is a good player but he won't transform our midfield. He's better than what we have but not by much (in my opinion).
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Get entirely what you're saying about NdJ, but I think, though not a special player himself, he might just have that "Makelele" effect on our side.

As a water carrier, he's miles better then anyone we have in that role. And that might just give the back 4 the protection they need.

I'd still obviously want a Vidal type CM signing, but NdJ would make our starting XI much more balanced.
 
Godfather said:
Yep. With RvP, Rooney and Adnan in front of them it could work brilliantly
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DDG
Rafael-Evans/Smalling/Jones/Rojo-Shaw
De Jong
Herrera-Di Maria
Adnan-RvP/Rooney- Mata/Rooney

This would be an XI to match anyone other XI in the league. Absolutely no doubt for me.
 
KM said:
DDG
Rafael-Evans/Smalling/Jones/Rojo-Shaw
De Jong
Herrera-Di Maria
Adnan-RvP/Rooney- Mata/Rooney

This would be an XI to match anyone other XI in the league. Absolutely no doubt for me.
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Totally agree there
 
KM said:
DDG
Rafael-Evans/Smalling/Jones/Rojo-Shaw
De Jong
Herrera-Di Maria
Adnan-RvP/Rooney- Mata/Rooney

This would be an XI to match anyone other XI in the league. Absolutely no doubt for me.
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De Jong, whilst not a fashionable player, is the type of signing that can make the team finally add up to the sum of its parts.

He'd give much more freedom to those in front of him and is genuinely good at breaking up play and giving protection to the defence.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
De Jong, whilst not a fashionable player, is the type of signing that can make the team finally add up to the sum of its parts.

He'd give much more freedom to those in front of him and is genuinely good at breaking up play and giving protection to the defence.
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Exactly.

We've already spent big this summer. I don't think we'll sign Vidal however Blind and De Jong would be very astute purchases.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
I'm sick of us being so 'nice' to play against.

De Jong and Rojo would add some much needed aggression and nastiness to us, which I hope might bring out a bit more edge from others like Rooney, van Persie and Herrera.

That doesn't mean crossing the line and getting themselves sent off. But I want opponents to know they're in a game against us instead of having a free ticket to waltz through our midfield.

The De Jong signing would make a lot of sense. I'd rather have Vidal of course, but if that's not possible now, we should be signing him.
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Dr Jong would replace fletcher, and he is better than what we have got. If our 3 signings are di Maria de Jong and blind, that would out us in good shape for the rest of the season
 
He's only ever been sent off once, he must be fecking awesome at his job if literally everyone but referees think he's a dirty cnut.

He was easily the best Dutch midfielder at the world cup.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
De Jong, whilst not a fashionable player, is the type of signing that can make the team finally add up to the sum of its parts.

He'd give much more freedom to those in front of him and is genuinely good at breaking up play and giving protection to the defence.
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KM said:
DDG
Rafael-Evans/Smalling/Jones/Rojo-Shaw
De Jong
Herrera-Di Maria
Adnan-RvP/Rooney- Mata/Rooney

This would be an XI to match anyone other XI in the league. Absolutely no doubt for me.
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Agreed with these. Gives us so many options and flexibility as well.

Vidal is definitely the muppet fantasy (for all of us!) but it might just be that a DM like NdJ could be bring that "synergy" effect to the team.

He's not a great player, but he's almost "exactly" the type we need to partner someone like Herrera. Barring a Busquets/Alonso/(prime) Carrick type DM who can play ball, a water carrier is the next best thing.
 
KM said:
Exactly.

We've already spent big this summer. I don't think we'll sign Vidal however Blind and De Jong would be very astute purchases.
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Agreed. I know people aren't completely sold on Blind but if we take yesterday's game for example, I'd prefer him to Young at wing back, Fletcher or Cleverley in midfield, and one of the young lads at centre half (that's not to say either of those two did much wrong).

That kind of versatile player seems to me like a useful addition.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
Agreed. I know people aren't completely sold on Blind but if we take yesterday's game for example, I'd prefer him to Young at wing back, Fletcher or Cleverley in midfield, and one of the young lads at centre half (that's not to say either of those two did much wrong).

That kind of versatile player seems to me like a useful addition.
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Yup. Here's how I think/hope the rest of the summer will turn up.

My Predictions: Hernandez, Cleverley, Kagawa, Welbeck(hopefully not) will be shifted off. Zaha on loan. Fellaini will get a chance to stay. Blind will replace Cleverley in midfield.

Our midfield options: Carrick, Herrera, Fletcher, De Jong, Fellaini and Blind.

Should raise around 40m. Wilson to be promoted to the main squad.
 
Name Changed said:
I don't think Di Maria will be in midfield either. I think Mata will struggle to play if anything.

De Jong is a good player but he won't transform our midfield. He's better than what we have but not by much (in my opinion).
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I think that De Jong is considerably better than the likes of Fletcher and Cleverley. Then again, he's a personal favorite of mine! Really hope that we sign him up.
 
KM said:
Yup. Here's how I think/hope the rest of the summer will turn up.

My Predictions: Hernandez, Cleverley, Kagawa, Welbeck(hopefully not) will be shifted off. Zaha on loan. Fellaini will get a chance to stay. Blind will replace Cleverley in midfield.

Our midfield options: Carrick, Herrera, Fletcher, De Jong, Fellaini and Blind.

Should raise around 40m. Wilson to be promoted to the main squad.
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I don't disagree with any of that. Couple more of the fringe players, Anderson, Lindegaard, Vermijl, Petrucci etc to leave as well. The fact that we can't shift Fellaini permanently but probably could Cleverley (in the final year of his contract) probably means a stay of execution for the big Belgian.
 
KM said:
DDG
Rafael-Evans/Smalling/Jones/Rojo-Shaw
De Jong
Herrera-Di Maria
Adnan-RvP/Rooney- Mata/Rooney

This would be an XI to match anyone other XI in the league. Absolutely no doubt for me.
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I don't think De Jong is the solution for us. We need a world class CM, not another squad player. Yes, he will be an upgrade to Fletcher and Cleverley but so will like 80% of the midfielders out there.

We need someone of Vidal/Martinez/Busquets/Matic quality.

Matuidi for example is much better option than De Jong, who is on the wane.
 
He'd need to play in a 3 man midfield as under Seedorf he was exposed a bit more when in a 2 but he'd be a good signing and is what we need in the middle of the pitch. One of only a few players who can come out of Milan's last season with any credibility. Had the 4th highest pass completion rate in Serie A last season as has only had 1 red card in his career (got away with a couple tbf) which was about 7 years ago so the notion that he's a limited dirty cnut a few people seem to have is far wide of the mark. Not like we'd be forking out loads to Milan either.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I don't think De Jong is the solution for us. We need a world class CM, not another squad player. Yes, he will be an upgrade to Fletcher and Cleverley but so will like 80% of the midfielders out there.

We need someone of Vidal/Martinez/Busquets/Matic quality.

Matuidi for example is much better option than De Jong, who is on the wane.
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Apart from Vidal, none of the other three are gettable. Also Matic is not as good as the other three.

We get De Jong for this summer and Strootman next winter/summer. I really don't think Vidal isn't happening.
 
KM said:
Apart from Vidal, none of the other three are gettable. Also Matic is not as good as the other three.

We get De Jong for this summer and Strootman next winter/summer. I really don't think Vidal isn't happening.
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Double negative....so it's ArturON? ;)

Joking aside. Yeah, I'd love us to, but I can't see us spending another 50-60m pounds (and now that we're paying Madrid that much, Juve are going to milk it as well).
 
KM said:
Apart from Vidal, none of the other three are gettable. Also Matic is not as good as the other three.

We get De Jong for this summer and Strootman next winter/summer. I really don't think Vidal isn't happening.
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Yeah I don't believe in Vidal happening either, but I'd be surprised if Strootman didn't join us either in January or next summer.

Also, your prediction post from above, I agree with. Once Carrick is back, along with Herrera, I'd be a bit more comfortable with our CM options. Fletcher to be slowly phazed out.

How good is Blind in midfield?
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
Yeah I don't believe in Vidal happening either, but I'd be surprised if Strootman didn't join us either in January or next summer.

Also, your prediction post from above, I agree with. Once Carrick is back, along with Herrera, I'd be a bit more comfortable with our CM options. Fletcher to be slowly phazed out.

How good is Blind in midfield?
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He's looked quite good from the, albeit limited number of times ive seen him in that position. Advantage is he understands LVG tactical instructions - and his versatility. Would be a very intelligent signing.
 
KM said:
Apart from Vidal, none of the other three are gettable. Also Matic is not as good as the other three.

We get De Jong for this summer and Strootman next winter/summer. I really don't think Vidal isn't happening.
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Nah I don't believe we need yet another squad player. Next year he'll be 31 as well.

If Vidal is not attainable, I'd rather go for Matuidi, Bender X2, Carvalho etc.

Also Strootman is nothing like De Jong.
 
Matuidi extended his PSG contract very recently, he's not on the market, at all.

Also, I don't think KM suggested De Jong and Strootman were similar.
 
KM said:
Exactly.

We've already spent big this summer. I don't think we'll sign Vidal however Blind and De Jong would be very astute purchases.
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We'd be up there with the best if we signed these two. De Jong and Blind would excite me as much as any of the previous signings because they'd ensure our midfield wasn't a walkover anymore.
 
Sarni said:
We'd be up there with the best if we signed these two. De Jong and Blind would excite me as much as any of the previous signings because they'd ensure our midfield wasn't a walkover anymore.
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When you have fletcher and cleverley in midfield, anyone half decent would excite anyone
 
Enigma_87 said:
Nah I don't believe we need yet another squad player. Next year he'll be 31 as well.

If Vidal is not attainable, I'd rather go for Matuidi, Bender X2, Carvalho etc.

Also Strootman is nothing like De Jong.
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Matuidi isn't available. How many times have you seen Carvalho?
Both of the Bender brothers are different midfielder too each other.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
Matuidi extended his PSG contract very recently, he's not on the market, at all.

Also, I don't think KM suggested De Jong and Strootman were similar.
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We need another midfielder to partner Herrera and Mata in the long term. If we get De Jong now and Strootman in Jan then bench the former, what's the use? Yes we need a better mousetrap than Cleverley and Fletcher in midfield, but De Jong is not the quality we need.

If we go for De Jong, we still need to buy a top class box to box or defensive midfielder.

If we go into the season with De Jong, Fletcher, Cleverley, Fellaini, Carrick, Herrera I don't think our midfield will be sorted. Certainly better than last year but yet not that much competitive with the top clubs.
 
We should be aiming higher than him but we aren't really left with many alternatives with 6 days left of the window. He'd be a vast improvement on Fletcher and Cleverley though so we may as well take a punt.
 
Oneunited26 said:
When you have fletcher and cleverley in midfield, anyone half decent would excite anyone
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That's probably why they'd be exciting transfers. The leap in quality would be even bigger than Valencia to Di Maria which is already ridiculous beyond belief.
 
Enigma_87 said:
We need another midfielder to partner Herrera and Mata in the long term. If we get De Jong now and Strootman in Jan then bench the former, what's the use? Yes we need a better mousetrap than Cleverley and Fletcher in midfield, but De Jong is not the quality we need.

If we go for De Jong, we still need to buy a top class box to box or defensive midfielder.

If we go into the season with De Jong, Fletcher, Cleverley, Fellaini, Carrick, Herrera I don't think our midfield will be sorted. Certainly better than last year but yet not that much competitive with the top clubs.
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We need to get rid of Cleverley and preferably Fellaini too. Only then we can say that our midfield has been sorted. Fletcher doesn't have much left in his locker but he's a good lad and all.
 
KM said:
Matuidi isn't available. How many times have you seen Carvalho?
Both of the Bender brothers are different midfielder too each other.
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How many times have you seen Strootman before he went to Roma? Besides even at Roma I think he's tad overrated since the last season.
From what I've seen (since we're linked with him which is like in an year) he has been a hit and miss in the games, so he has been inconsistent for me but it's natural given how young he is and was exactly the same with Pogba. He has a higher ceiling than De Jong, and in a year time he'll surpass him in development.

Any player (maybe except Ronaldo and Messi) is available at the right price.

Both Bender brothers are better than De Jong.

De Jong and Blind ooze me of average players to cover a position that we lack class not numbers...

Sarni said:
We need to get rid of Cleverley and preferably Fellaini too. Only then we can say that our midfield has been sorted. Fletcher doesn't have much left in his locker but he's a good lad and all.
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he has just been made vice captain I think LvG will give him a chance. As for Vidal it's a matter of the right price. If we can splash >60m for Di Maria then I'm pretty sure we have the cash to bring him in.

I'd much rather have Herrera,Vidal,Carrick,Fletcher - 4 players for 2 positions and flock all the deadwood than 6-8 players for 2 position and neither of them looks like an automatic starter.
 
We're not going to get Vidal so why not get this guy in. I know some may have reservations because City sold him but if you speak to a lot of City fans they were gutted he was sold. He's the type of player we need, all the other big clubs have them there to break up the play and those type of players tend to be the ones that actually win you the big games.
 
Enigma_87 said:
How many times have you seen Strootman before he went to Roma? Besides even at Roma I think he's tad overrated since the last season.
From what I've seen (since we're linked with him which is like in an year) he has been a hit and miss in the games, so he has been inconsistent for me but it's natural given how young he is and was exactly the same with Pogba. He has a higher ceiling than De Jong, and in a year time he'll surpass him in development.

Any player (maybe except Ronaldo and Messi) is available at the right price.

Both Bender brothers are better than De Jong.

De Jong and Blind ooze me of average players to cover a position that we lack class not numbers...
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That bolded part is bizarre. I have seen enough of Strootman to know that he's good enough for United. It's laughable that people on the Caf act like experts on Carvalho and yet didn't knew about Marcos Rojo when we signed him.

You posted this in Rojo thread: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mar...-pending-medical.394480/page-24#post-16238479

I think people underrate Evans. I have not seen enough of Rojo to compare them, but Evans when you look at the whole package is our best defender currently. If he can stay injury free this year I feel he will prove a lot of doubters wrong.
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In an ideal world we would have signed another class midfielder but somewhoe we didnt. Now de Jong is not really my preferred choice but still better than Fletcher, Cleverley or Fellaini
 
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