Amazing isn't it.
Nigel De Jong
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De Jong is so anti-football.
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Yes we should if it means that he can improve us as a team on the whole and fit into our system well. The very fact that we have the more expansive Herrera partnering him combined with creative talents like Rooney, Mata and RVP ahead of him means we can afford to have a limited ball winner type. Btw De Jong is not as limited as many here seem to suggest. He averaged 90% on the passing accuracy stats last season meaning he could retain and recycle possession to a decent level.
It would be truly dismal if we let Kagawa/Cleverley play as a first team regular in the CM position. We will have a limited presence in the midfield with only Herrera providing the grit needed and Kagawa/Cleverley being too lightweight.
He has such a high passing accuracy rate because he mostly passes sideways and backwards. His high passing accuracy is another signifier of how limited he is as a player.
LVG didn't drop his incidental head of pressing, in fact he was an integral part of the team when he got injured and that was the reason why he couldn't play. He even came back for the Argentina game and did a pretty good job of marking Messi I feel. Wonder who those players are
He wasn't shit and won the premier league with them. Most City fans regret letting De Jong go and I am sure the management has too. So tell me how City fared when Toure or Fernandinho were unavailable last season. They would have rather had De Jong over Javi Garicia and Rodwell which is the reason why they bought Fernando.
I already stated that with players like Herrera, Mata, Rooney and RVP ahead of him we can afford a defensive shield who is fairly limited(I said he wasn't as limited as people are making him out to be). If he can retain and recycle possession in that defensive role that is more than enough with the emphasis being on Herrera and the forward players to provide more penetrating passes.
LVG didn't drop his incidental head of pressing, in fact he was an integral part of the team when he got injured and that was the reason why he couldn't play. He even came back for the Argentina game and did a pretty good job of marking Messi I feel. Wonder who those players are
He wasn't shit and won the premier league with them. Most City fans regret letting De Jong go and I am sure the management has too. So tell me how City fared when Toure or Fernandinho were unavailable last season. They would have rather had De Jong over Javi Garicia and Rodwell which is the reason why they bought Fernando.
He started 11 matches in the league for them when they won the title.
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Fair enough but he was a good player for them during his stay at that club not 'shit'. My point being that they would have rather had De Jong than Garica or Rodwell who are are so underwhelming, which is the prime reason why they have bought Fernando in now.
Or we could get a midfielder who can do a lot of defensive work but, can also play a bit of football. Why limit ourselves with someone like De Jong? They are a lot of midfielders out there who can give us a lot more than De Jong.
Agree with this.
This is what I feel too.
If you consider Herrera being out for whatever reason, that would leave us with last year's midfield or De Jong + Fletcher/Carrick/Cleverley/Fellaini.
We need better.
He has EPL experience, LVG knows and appreciates him as a player who fits extremely well in a 3-5-2, is a fairly known quantity and we know what we are getting no surprises. Lets not also forget that he is a good signing at the reported price in this inflated transfer market. I am not saying we should sign him and make him the first name of the team sheet but it would be silly not to buy him in this context and he also offers qualities that none of our current midfielders possess. We should get another quality midfielder ideally but with De Jong in the bag we won't be held to ransom for these players and can afford to go into the season with our midfield. All I am saying is that it makes too much not to go in for him.
Good point.
Clearly signing De Jong isnt the answer to all of the problems we have but I suspect its not a case of getting him over and above someone else, but as well as.
I'm aware of that, but we are only looking at two spots. If we say Herrera and Carrick can play the more defensive role, then we need someone who can offer more going forward. It makes more sense to get someone who can do both, rather than buy a specialist, and a thug to boot.
Any truth in this or are the Daily Express talking rubbish?
I wonder does he have the game to play CB as cover ala mascherano....hmmmm
A bit short, but I'm sure he could do the job.
No interest according to Ogden.
Is he shorter than Mascherano?
Jong man, are you listening to me?
I said, Jong man, what do you want to be?
I said, Jong man, you can make real your dreams.
But you got to know this one thing!
No man does it all by himself.
I said, Jong man, put your pride on the shelf,
And just go there, to the big RedCafe
I'm sure they can help you today.
It's fun to stay at the big RedCafe
It's fun to stay at the big RedCafe
They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...
I said, Jong man, what do you want to be?
I said, Jong man, you can make real your dreams.
But you got to know this one thing!
No man does it all by himself.
I said, Jong man, put your pride on the shelf,
And just go there, to the big RedCafe
I'm sure they can help you today.
It's fun to stay at the big RedCafe
It's fun to stay at the big RedCafe
They have everything for you men to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys ...
Personally I prefer Gustavo but either are better than clevs
Apparently so. 1cm shorter
He can have Fellaini's wig now
Really hope we get this guy. Him or Khedira anyway. De Jong would most definitely give us the steel we've greatly missed since Keane. The anger. The brute force. He may not offer much in attack, but if he has Herrera next to him along with Mata, Rooney, Di Maria, Januzaj and maybe even RVP, then it's all good.
May be a little short-sighted, but a good way of looking at it is that it may be a good stop gap until Pearson makes the step up
May be a little short-sighted, but a good way of looking at it is that it may be a good stop gap until Pearson makes the step up
Think I prefer Gustavo but either will do a great job in there for very little outlay.
No where near the quality we should be looking at. Even if he is a cheap buy.
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De Jong does seem like it would make a lot of sense. I can see a lot of fans not liking the transfer because he's not Vidal, but he's a player that Van Gaal has worked with AND he has Premier League experience. Wouldn't cost a bomb either.
Would be a very good signing. Hope it happens.
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Gustavo wouldn't be had for 'very little outlay', at least not this summer.
Would be almost perfect for us if we are planning a 433, mind...
Cheap and would do a job short term. Sometimes you need to do those as well.
Nah we really shouldn't sign him, he is not only limited, but also past his best, when I read some comments it looks like people think it's still the De Jong from 2010, who was pretty good at City and the national team. But he never convinced me the last few months/years. A typical Milan player nowadays, famous name who was good a few years ago.
Well, by now, I'd say rather him than no one
Rather an injured Ando than NdG
Better than our options but that's not saying much.
And please don't compare him to Roy Keane.
And please don't compare him to Roy Keane.
De Jong is a good squad player but we need to be aiming a step above to be a real force again.
Would be happy if he replaced Fellaini/Cleverley in the squad but as the 'missing piece'? No way.
Would be happy if he replaced Fellaini/Cleverley in the squad but as the 'missing piece'? No way.
Sky sports news on the telly said we're after him and Blind. 26m for the pair.
I'm actually more excited about him than ADM (amazing player don't get me wrong). We need a player like him badly. A proper defensive CM. He'll shield us and work his arse off for 90 minutes. No more running through our CM with a hard bastard like him there.
He played well at the WC and was a notable miss when he was injured. Blind just didn't offer the same dominance.
I'm actually more excited about him than ADM (amazing player don't get me wrong). We need a player like him badly. A proper defensive CM. He'll shield us and work his arse off for 90 minutes. No more running through our CM with a hard bastard like him there.
He played well at the WC and was a notable miss when he was injured. Blind just didn't offer the same dominance.
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