Predicable as Fellaini last season.
Nigel De Jong
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I personally don't think there is single player at this very moment playing that role we can buy that's a bigger name than him..He won't sell shirts but he will protect our defence...
Having him can only help to strengthen us...
Yes I did read your previous post, you just don't it do you
If Van Gall wants Strootman and is prepared to wait for him, can you not stop being pig headed for a second and see that De Jong would be the ideal solution.
He'd be a tidy signing for the short term. Should complement & help get the best out of Herrera in the new system.
van Gaal knows him inside out as well, so if we do bring him in, LVG obviously thinks he's the right man and thats good enough for me.
van Gaal knows him inside out as well, so if we do bring him in, LVG obviously thinks he's the right man and thats good enough for me.
for a small fee, wouldn't be a bad squad player.
More mobile than Fellaini, and would balance the attacking three and let Herrera monster around.
More mobile than Fellaini, and would balance the attacking three and let Herrera monster around.
Well, he'd sort out the balance issue Van Gaal has been talking about.
He'd do a good job for a year and help protect the defence even though the muppets won't be satisfied by the name.
Still, we should probably be looking at younger midfielders unless they are totally world class. Which De Jong isn't.
This looks like a BS rumour anyway.
He'd do a good job for a year and help protect the defence even though the muppets won't be satisfied by the name.
Still, we should probably be looking at younger midfielders unless they are totally world class. Which De Jong isn't.
This looks like a BS rumour anyway.
Yes, but does anyone really think Juventus will think, oh they're signing De Jong, a limited defensive midfielder for £8m, so won't any longer be interested in a world class £40m player!
We should bring him in with Vidal, not instead of Vidal. He is too limited offensively to play in a midfield two and if something happens to Herrera, we would have the same problems again. I like him, but if it is between Vidal on deadline day or De Jong now, i take Vidal.
when you put it like that ... no.
How? And who knows if Strootman will be available in January or next summer? There has to be better options out there than De Jong. If all the club can come up with is Vidal, Strootman or De Jong why even have scouts?
Every city supporter I've spoken to would be gutted if we signed him. That's enough for me in these times. That and he's a dirty bastard.
Well, he played very well for the Netherlands in the same formation. Vidal would obviously be preferable, but at this stage, I don't think he's coming. Carrick would likely start ahead of De Jong anyway. For £8m, it's not exactly like it's a waste of money.
I still think he'd do a decent job for us, as I said when we were previously linked with him earlier this summer.
I don't think there's anything in it though. I'd certainly need more proof that the Goal.com/Express combination to believe it anyway.
I don't think there's anything in it though. I'd certainly need more proof that the Goal.com/Express combination to believe it anyway.
He can be a good squad player but one gets feeling we need more in our next CM buy than just being midfield enforcer. Let's see if it is just BS rumour or somehow it materializes.
would be quite ironic if we signed him after LVG's comments about how hard it is to find players that actually improve the current selection
That tackles hard and will possibly spend a fair bit of time on the physio's table, being a thirty year old.
I'm not even a United fan so I couldn't give a feck whether you sign big players or not. I'm hardly going to be a muppet over what players you bring in. I just saw them branded "big signings" and thought it was odd, as for me they don't belong in that category and that's why for me you could still sign a player in that kind of class i.e. a Vidal, hence why I made the post.
The point of that guys post seemed to be that you've already brought in the major, big name players and thus won't be bringing in another, which I disagree with. Are we clear now? I am not making a dig at United so you can put your claws away.
By big signings he clearly meant expensive ones in terms of monetary value. Not reputation. Tell me where he claimed there were high-profile signings. No sensible United fan would be claiming that Herrera and Shaw are high profile signings. They are much needed signings to strengthen our squad and quality players. That much you understood, so I don't need to explain that to you... I can understand how you could get confused by the 'big signings' tag, easy to misunderstand it. However, if you reread the original text with the context in mind you might understand what he meant. Hopefully.... Try to emphasis on the bolded part when reading out. Hope that helps you, have a nice day
He also said he will give all the players a chance under his system. Is Fellaini getting that chance?
I must be trying to reason with a complete moron
I'd rather give Ben Pearson the experience... or y'know bring someone in under the age of 28 - a Bender, McCarthy etc NDJ is too old now imo.
I think the media can't come up with any other name with Stootman recovering and Vidal up in the air. He's Dutch, a midfielder and has premiership experience. Was an obvious 'choice' and I doubt we're interested.
For me this is the problem with De Jong he could be a good squad player if we buy him but our midfield is already packed with squad players we have Fletcher, Carrick, Cleverley and Fellaini who are all competing for the place next to Herrera. I can´t see De Jong Being a big improvement on any of these players.
By big signings he clearly meant expensive ones in terms of monetary value. Not reputation. Tell me where he claimed there were high-profile signings. No sensible United fan would be claiming that Herrera and Shaw are high profile signings. They are much needed signings to strengthen our squad and quality players. That much you understood, so I don't need to explain that to you... I can understand how you could get confused by the 'big signings' tag, easy to misunderstand it. However, if you reread the original text with the context in mind you might understand what he meant. Hopefully.... Try to emphasis on the bolded part when reading out. Hope that helps you, have a nice day
Thank you for your politeness!
All I meant was that I don't think Shaw/Herrera are the big signings your club seemed to be promising and that you will still spend, apologies to anybody who took it as an attack on United.
id take if for 8 million. He gets on the ball, as medium to well passing range(not quite pirlo) and is tough as nails.
Fellaini I am not even counting. Surely he will go and if he doesn't then we will not buy in midfield at all. The latter option is difficult to imagine as Van Gaal will know that Fellaini doesn't fit into his type of CM. I am not sure how much to see in rumours originated from Express who quote goal.com as source, but if he is available for relatively cheap and we are getting priced out for our targets, De Jong can be Van Gaal's stop gap arrangement in a season where we are not playing in Europe and can manage through Carrick-Fletcher-Herrera-Cleverley and De-Jong and then he will go for Strootman next summer.
totally agree
Let De Jong do the dirty work so Herrera doesn't get himself sent off every few weeks with his "feisty" tackles.
I think he is a big improvement on those players to be honest. He not brilliant going forward, but in terms of the job he does, he does it better than all of those players you mentioned.
EDIT: The issue I have is if Herrera gets injured, we'll be back to very little creativity coming from CM
He's an upgrade on Anderson and Cleverly, fairly cheap.
Rebuilding the team is a process, not an act. We're not going to go from 7th to champions in one leap. He'll get us back in the CL then we can asses our options.
I'm all for it.
Rebuilding the team is a process, not an act. We're not going to go from 7th to champions in one leap. He'll get us back in the CL then we can asses our options.
I'm all for it.
I bet that happens quite a lot to you. Your reasoning is pretty simplistic to be honest.The point you were making about LvG having to change his style in order to keep his style, was quite obvious, but you felt you had to explain yourself. Good on you.
I personally prefer not signing de Jong. He's first an ex-city player, and secondly, but way more important, he's too liable to get carded in big occasions. Even under The Great van Gaal I doubt he can keep his dirty play off the field.
But if its a choice between Vidal or de Jong, and Vidal has some knee-issues, i'd rather we signed neither, put Fletcher or Fellaini in the ball-buster-role, and waited for someone younger and less injury-prone or card-liable to come along.
But if its a choice between Vidal or de Jong, and Vidal has some knee-issues, i'd rather we signed neither, put Fletcher or Fellaini in the ball-buster-role, and waited for someone younger and less injury-prone or card-liable to come along.
For 8 mil I would like De Jong here.
But hopefully thats not our only CM signing?
But hopefully thats not our only CM signing?
I'm pretty sure he's had something like 1 red card in 3 years. EDIT: according to transfermarkt he hasn't had a red card from 2007, and it doesn't even say if he has had one before that.
As for De Jong, he'd do a job. It's often too easy to go through your midfield and he'd help a lot with that and Van Gaal knows him well. Pretty much as many of you has said, he'd be a good signing if he isn't the only midfielder you're going to get. If he is it'd be a bit underwhelming for you I suppose, but then if Carrick does return and Van Gaal gets him back to the form he was in for you when you trounced the league, you'd have a very good midfield indeed.
As far as I know, De Jong was good for Milan last season and solid at the World Cup. He'd add steel and would allow Herrera a bit more space, good player to use until Strootman arrives. There's not many great DM's out there - I can think of only a few off the top of my head off the top of my head like Busquets, Martinez and Gustavo - the latter of which isn't really 'top class'.
If you signed Vidal + De Jong you'd have a top midfield and quite balanced too, with De Jong doing the dirty work and the athleticism and goalscoring abilities of Vidal from midfield as well as Herrera's creativity. Only question mark is over Vidal's knee.
As far as I know, De Jong was good for Milan last season and solid at the World Cup. He'd add steel and would allow Herrera a bit more space, good player to use until Strootman arrives. There's not many great DM's out there - I can think of only a few off the top of my head off the top of my head like Busquets, Martinez and Gustavo - the latter of which isn't really 'top class'.
If you signed Vidal + De Jong you'd have a top midfield and quite balanced too, with De Jong doing the dirty work and the athleticism and goalscoring abilities of Vidal from midfield as well as Herrera's creativity. Only question mark is over Vidal's knee.
He's a past his best City reject. Wouldn't even be a story if he wasn't Dutch.
Would not mind if we bought him as well as another more box to box type,good option to have if we decide to defend a lead and hit teams on the break. If we bought just Vidal, we would be one injury away from being porous in midfield, Fletcher,Cleverly Fellaini(whether they are here or not) are not great at shoring up the back and Carrick might be out for ages. I would hope it wouldn't be the only midfield signing but even stand alone it would be a good one.
An "average" player who I'd have in over any one of Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher (sadly, given what he's been through), and Fellaini.
We need to move players on - that is clear. I have no issue replacing them with solid, experienced international players. He offers something we don't currently have, at a decent fee and can do the job the manager requires.
He's not eating wages up if the manager rates him and thinks he can do a job. He's likely to be more useful to Van Gaal than half of what we have.
Think I'd rather get Daley Blind to be honest.
The point you were making about LvG having to change his style in order to keep his style, was quite obvious, but you felt you had to explain yourself. Good on you.
you obviously didn't get it, also my reasoning needs to be simple when trying to reason with someone who clearly is a bit simple.
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