According to wiki only ever been sent off once. And that was for 2 yellows.
Nigel De Jong
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According to wiki only ever been sent off once. And that was for 2 yellows.
How many red cards has Suarez received? You can still be a dirty player and accumulate a lot of red cards.
Of course, however De Jong is more likely to be involved in tackles an challenges. Yes, aggression is a big part to his game, but you cannot dismiss the fact that he rarely receives red cards.
He has been only sent off once in his entire career. That too wasnt a straight red card.
He seemed more calm and composed in this world cup. Didn't strike me as a rash or a dirty player. Perhaps he has matured with age and makes better decisions now. I don't watch AC Milan a lot so can't say if that has been the case or not.
When I have seen AC Milan he didn't stand out in a negative way (ie fouling etc). I thought he sat quite deep and saw a lot of the ball. The team as a whole was horrible though, so I imagine he would have been quite frustrated most of the time
I think he'd be a very good piece of business. Currently, with our midfield options he's an upgrade. Of course we are all hoping for major strength in this area but even with the addition of a Vidal, or other top class CM talent there would still be room for him. I like players with aggression in the middle of the park and we sorely lack it, we definitely have the creative talent up top but a big part of that flourishing is the solid platform you provide.
LVG clearly knows and trusts him and 8million is literally nothing, nowadays.
Only downside for me is he's a city reject.
LVG clearly knows and trusts him and 8million is literally nothing, nowadays.
Only downside for me is he's a city reject.
He actually would be a good signing for Arsenal as he's a DM and that's what they need.
Exactly what Liverpool need instead of old Banana Boots as DM as well.
When I have seen AC Milan he didn't stand out in a negative way (ie fouling etc). I thought he sat quite deep and saw a lot of the ball. The team as a whole was horrible though, so I imagine he would have been quite frustrated most of the time
Time to jump ship since Milan look to be going nowhere. I would certainly love to see him here and he would walk right into our team until Vidal or Strootman arrive anyway. Even then he could probably still make our midfield 3. Given his potential transfer fee, we should snap him up unless LVG has his sights set much higher with at least one or two top quality midfielders coming in.
I never said he'd be our only CM signing but even if we signed 3 more I wouldn't want him to be one of them. As far as top targets not being signed, we really have no excuse not to get them financially and I just don't believe that we have become such an unattractive option due to one bad season.
You're deluded if you think we sign 3 more CM's and one of them is not around the level of De Jong. Who incidentally has a PL winners medal.
De Jong just had a great season for Milan. One of their only players that actually played well. He was great in 2012 as well. Furthermore, we don't have a DM. He would be a great buy.
Amazing how the tide has suddenly turned in favor of signing him. During the WC, it was generally scoffed at.
The desperation for more midfield signings is strong. Carrick's injury certainly helped.
I'm sure there were people who said they wouldn't mind him here during the WC actually...
Would you take him for 8mill? Regardless of other signings.
I was one of a few who was said it. Not sure who the others were.
I'm not sure if you've been reading the thread but I stated my reasons are not purely based on his ability mate, I'd be quite hapopy to see Schneiderlin or Gustavo brought in as a holding CM, both could do the job just as well as De Jong and minus the cnut factor. He has a PL winners medal? so has Anderson, Milner, Barry and Mikel.
Yeah definitely. He would be an important component to Van Gaal's system and would obviously give us depth and grit in midfield, irrespective of whether we sign Vidal et al.
Integral players of a squad winning a league title is nothing to be scoffed at. De Jong played week in week out for City.
You'd turn him down because he's aggressive? Okay
What's that supposed to mean?
Signing De Jong, is admitting to mediocrity to me and going the cheap route as per, haven't we learned our lesson yet doing this all the time?
He's a squad type player in a big club squad, yet if we sign De Jong, he'll start more times than not, so what is that saying?
He's a squad type player in a big club squad, yet if we sign De Jong, he'll start more times than not, so what is that saying?
That's one way of looking at it. Another is that Van Gaal is looking for players he knows and trusts, who can work in the system he wants to deploy. I'm sure he looks at it in those terms rather than "he's a City reject" or the like.
Schneiderlin isn't a holding mid.
Anyway, re De Jong he can definitely do a Job for us and be something we don't have but i'd prefer our midfield signings to be of higher quality or higher potential quality than that as we don't require quantity plus don't like limited destroyers anyway.
Can make a case for bringing Vlaar in at CB similarly as he can do a job as well and we need experience and Van Gaal trusts him etc..and he is better for Villa than usually people give him credit for anyway. But similarly he would also be a stop gap and underwhelming.
Bollocks.
It means van Gaal thinks he's a good player.
And what do you mean going the cheap route? We have signed Fellaini, Mata, Herrera and Shaw in the space of a year. That's about £120 Million.
van Gaal's system comes first and not the players. Therefore de Jong would be a good signing, should van Gaal want to deploy a holding player of his ilk.
Moyes trusted Felliani, look how that one turned out.
End of the day De Jong was surplus to requirements at City 2 years ago because they wanted better, if Manchester United fans want to sign him or more importantly if Manchester United themselves want to sign him, what does that say in regards to us to City? What does it say about our ambition or intent for the coming season?
I'm not on about our signings in last last year, but in some ways they are still average, Felliani (average), Shaw (18 years old and come from an average club), Herrera (mid 20's and not an international footballer yet).
But mainly I'm on about our signings under Fergie, a large part of why we have a lot of deadwood/averages and big reason why we finished in a average position last season.
That we trust our manager, a proven world class one at that.
We bid for players like Hazard, Lucas, Benzema etc with Fergie in charge. They turned us down and we moved on to other targets.
United have turned into a bunch of light-weights & the more steel we get in the better, but they have to be able to play ball more importantly..
Personally speaking, i'd love to see Carvalho here instead. The price seems to be putting everyone off though. Friggin rediculous money Sporting are asking for a guy (holding mid-fielder, who could be box-box in time) with one excellent season behind him & at 21 years old. Rodriguez went to Monaco for less money ffs..
These buy-out clauses really get on my tits.. but some rich club will end up buyin the lad sooner or later & he could turn out to be world-class, which i have a feeling he will in due course..
I don't think you can compare Moyes to Van Gaal in any way. LvG has a proven track record of winning and deserves the respect that comes with it. Moyes has won feck all and was obviously not cut out for a bigger club than Everton.
It says that we need a couple of midfielders that are better than De Jong.
Exactly mate.
I wouldn't mind Carvalho either. He seems like quite a talent in the making who could do really well under a manager like LvG. But i get the sense De Jong would make more of an instant impact, which is what we need right now. He'd offer a touch of grit and intimidation that we lack.
Its not too hard to find an upgrade on our present CM area & De Jong would be just that, in terms of metal. But with the money we have at our disposal - De Jong would be a disappointing signing. Its a cheap alternative like we've been doin for too many years in key areas..
If Van Gaal signs De Jong it would surely be because he trusts he can do the job that's required of him. That should be good enough for everyone.
Wenger trusted Flamini, look how that one turned out.
Flamini was doing feck all at Milan and Wenger bought him in for free and had him playing in big games. It was a good signing. Say what you want about Arsenal and where they finished, however you cannot deny Flamini added something to them. Had it not been for injuries to Walcott and Ramsey, the Flamini signing might have been seen as genius had Arsenal really held it together and pushed for the title.
If van Gaal signs De Jong, I fully back him.
I agree with that alright man - thats why we should sign both then.. One for the now & one for the future, but both for CM options more importantly!
Integral players of a squad winning a league title is nothing to be scoffed at. De Jong played week in week out for City.
You'd turn him down because he's aggressive? Okay
So you rate Barry and Mikel?
No, I'd turn him down because he's a dirty thug, being aggressive is not the same thing but I sense you already know that.
How so? His biggest attributes are winning the ball deep and starting the play from there, just because he makes forays forward it doesn't make him a box to box CM, not every DM has to play like Makelele.
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