Nick Powell

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Got the impression he lost it while out injured and isn't fully match fit yet. Could be wrong though.

Can't shake a nagging worry that he's not a hard enough worker to make it at a big club. Goes all the way back to that post-natch interview when one of his team-mates singled him out as the worst trainer. Not what you want to hear about one of our loanees.
 
he's only 19 years of age and has been playing up front for the lactics. That injury has played a part to his burn out this late in the season. i hope he shakes it off next season whether he'll be off on loan again hopefully to a premier league team or try to push himself in the united first team. He's decent as striker but id like to see him progress as a decent central midfielder, its what united and England lacks of these days and its something they should encourage.
 
He has completed 90 minutes in only 2 of 12 games since he has come back from injury. His last start was 5 games back. He wasn't in the squad at all last night, though I don't know if he is injured again or not.
 
arthurka said:
van Gaal will make him immortal!
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I hope he does, hopefully he'll get all the players on their toes. Been to relaxed this season, needs players to fight for a spot in the squad and i hope Powell will train hard and dont take this opportunity he's been giving for granted.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Got the impression he lost it while out injured and isn't fully match fit yet. Could be wrong though.

Can't shake a nagging worry that he's not a hard enough worker to make it at a big club. Goes all the way back to that post-natch interview when one of his team-mates singled him out as the worst trainer. Not what you want to hear about one of our loanees.
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That is a concern, but hopefully he will snap out of it when more is expected of him as a first team player. But I'd still be hoping he's slogging away with the intention of playing for United. He seems very aloof at the best of times. Like a less-cool Berbatov. I remember hearing him speak after Crewe won promotion after that wondergoal he scored, and it sounded like he'd just woken up.

There was recently a thread of pictures of players signing for United, and out of everyone, Nick Powell looked the least impressed. He looked like he had somewhere more important to be.

I don't think he realises the magnitude of the opportunity he has.
 
I'm a bit surprised by that, if the club thought he was anywhere near ready for the first team squad you'd think they be loaning him to, perhaps, a lower level PL club so he could get PL experience.

Loaning him to a Championship club again says to me that's the level the club sees him at for the moment.
 
Rednotdead said:
I'm a bit surprised by that, if the club thought he was anywhere near ready for the first team squad you'd think they be loaning him to, perhaps, a lower level PL club so he could get PL experience.

Loaning him to a Championship club again says to me that's the level the club sees him at for the moment.
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Not necessarily. We have loaned players to prem clubs in the past and they've barely got a kick and it hindered them if anything. If Wigan are playing the lad every week then it's good for his development, regardless of the level.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
Not necessarily. We have loaned players to prem clubs in the past and they've barely got a kick and it hindered them if anything. If Wigan are playing the lad every week then it's good for his development, regardless of the level.
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I'd be surprised indeed if excelling at Championship level was an indicator of the level of development as regards suitability for the first team squad. Zaha excelled at that level did he not?
 
Rednotdead said:
I'd be surprised indeed if excelling at Championship level was an indicator of the level of development as regards suitability for the first team squad. Zaha excelled at that level did he not?
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Would sitting on the bench at Newcastle be a bigger indicator?

Zaha hasn't really had a chance and I'd wager that temperament rather than talent is what's holding him back. Did being loaned at lowly Preston mean that Beckham wasn't good enough?
 
So much about how we always completely check the players attitude before buying them. Now we have 2 of the biggest sulks / lazymen in Zaha & Powell.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
Would sitting on the bench at Newcastle be a bigger indicator?

Zaha hasn't really had a chance and I'd wager that temperament rather than talent is what's holding him back. Did being loaned at lowly Preston mean that Beckham wasn't good enough?
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Who said anything about sitting on the bench at Newcastle? I'd already said that it would surely be better to loan him to a lower level PL club where, if he's any good he'll get a regular game, rather than playing in the Championship for a second season. Surely if a player is to develop he needs to be playing alongside and learning from better players?
 
Rednotdead said:
Who said anything about sitting on the bench at Newcastle? I'd already said that it would surely be better to loan him to a lower level PL club where, if he's any good he'll get a regular game, rather than playing in the Championship for a second season. Surely if a player is to develop he needs to be playing alongside and learning from better players?
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And my point was that some of our premiership loans haven't worked out well and that I'd rather him play in the championship than sit on the bench in the prem.

I only mentioned Newcastle, as I can remember Rossi rotting away on their bench. We all know that he was a very good young player.

If we're talking specifically about lower level clubs then Macheda at QPR would be a good example.
 
Donut said:
So much about how we always completely check the players attitude before buying them. Now we have 2 of the biggest sulks / lazymen in Zaha & Powell.
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Fergie became a bit soft in the latter years. Think he mellowed out a fair bit. Isnt Anderson being kept on so long the ultimate proof?
 
Rednotdead said:
Who said anything about sitting on the bench at Newcastle? I'd already said that it would surely be better to loan him to a lower level PL club where, if he's any good he'll get a regular game, rather than playing in the Championship for a second season. Surely if a player is to develop he needs to be playing alongside and learning from better players?
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He is sitting on the bench for Wigan in The Championship these days.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
True, but he was a regular prior to his injury.
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He was and he was Wigan's top scorer.

He has been back for 12 or so games now. It might be that he just doesn't fit into Rosler's system, he doesn't really have a defined position after all. I think that Coyle rated him more highly.

I think that he is a way off featuring for us. Maybe Van Gaal can work his magic, sometimes all these players needs is someone to show some faith and the right teammates.
 
Donut said:
So much about how we always completely check the players attitude before buying them. Now we have 2 of the biggest sulks / lazymen in Zaha & Powell.
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This is one of the reason united need someone like Van Gaal. Need a manager that can get these kids working hard and push themselves. Professional top flight footballers are getting younger now and well paid... These young footballers need discipline and guidance.

I remember watching the class of 92 documentary movie and Giggs said him and sharpy were having a party or something like that before a match, then SAF found out and personally turned up at the door and caught giggsy whilst sharpy ran off. Anyways SAF sat young Giggs down and told him the opportunity he has and said you can be like sharpy and go no where, or take this opportunity and make something out of it. For me that is brilliance from Fergie, true commitment to his players, even his young ones he'll go out of his own way and make sure young footballers like giggs was and bring them up with the right attitude towards the opportunity he had. This is what kind of manager united needs to get these youngsters like Zaha & Powell to work harder!
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
He is sitting on the bench for Wigan in The Championship these days.
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This doesn't detract from the fact that he has had a very good loan spell for Wigan, as good as anyone could really hope for. It's harsh to criticise him now for not making the team when for most of the season he was a really important player for them. Powell, United and the fans should all be pleased with how it's gone
 
Powell has the same sort of potential as Barkley. Give him games at a top side and hell shine. Ferguson says in his book Powells certain to make it.
 
I dont think he's anywhere near as big a talent as Barkley. As for going on loan at Swansea he'd probably be playing second fiddle to Shelvey who has become an important player for them or a backup to Bony up front. I doubt thats the kind of loan you're hoping for
 
He seems to have had a decent season with Wigan so if they get promoted to the PL he should stay on loan with them.
 
We should loan him and everyone else to Crystal Palace, who have actually played passable football since Pulis came in, and whose players are basically all replacement level except Jedinak.

Villa have no 3rd midfielder to go with Delph and Westwood, and Lambert is a good manager. Maybe he could go there?
 
One thing is for certain, another season at Championship level will tell us nothing. If he goes to a mid/lower level PL club he may sit on the bench initially, but if he's good enough he'll force his way into the team. Players only improve by playing with and against players of a similar/higher level than themselves.
 
Now that Hull City have secured the Europa League and are managed by an ex-United player, it would be a waste of an opportunity for us not to loan a player or two there.

Although they have 3 useful forwards in Long, Jelavic and Aluko, so maybe players like Lingard, Zaha, Michael Keane and Varela make more sense.
 
Barkley is definitely more dynamic. With Powell he seems to have a lazy elegance about him and an eye for the spectacular. He needs to impose himself more on games and focus as he's got the potential to be a very good player if he puts the work in.
 
Decotron said:
That still doesnt mean they have the same levels of potential. The championship is such a different challenge. Barkley is far superior. No harm in admitting it.
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Well have to agree to disagree there. Barkley better at the moment though.
 
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