Nick Powell

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gooDevil said:
I recognize the writing style! :D

I haven't seen all that much of Powell outside the reserves, but he's never struck me as a central midfielder, maybe a Frank Lampard sort of attacking midfielder.

The last thing we need these days is someone who struggles passing. He will certainly improve his passing as he ages, but we need players who are among the best passers in the league in our midfield, if not the world.
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Disagree pal. The passing thing is more concentration - not technically ability. He will mature. Believe me, he has everything you want in a box to box player.
 
Just watched the vid of him - he's fecking good for a 19 year old. I'd be looking to have him in our first team within 2 years.
 
Great video. I knew he'd been hitting the back of the net pretty regularly but didn't realise he had scored that many goals. Nice range there too, headers, tap ins, to long range shots and solo goals.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
I could see him coming back into the squad next season. Looks like Hernandez and Kagawa are likely candidates to leave in the summer(I think Hernandez is a certainty) and Powell's versatility would make him a useful squad player.

Seems to have played a lot of his Wigan loan as a forward as his main position and attacking midfielder second. He's not played a single game for them as an orthodox central midfielder. Hence his good goal record which is difficult to ignore. Could see him providing an alternative option as an attacker if we do lose Kagawa and Hernandez this summer.

If Moyes does not want to accommodate that, then give him another year out on loan.

I'm starting to think this kid is not going to develop into a central midfielder. Most of his playing experience has been as an attacking midfielder or now as a forward which suggests the way to get the best out of him is to play him in attack. He's still young enough to learn the position but having him play first team football in another position is not the ideal way to develop him in it.
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Moyes isnt going to drop RVP or Rooney though and Mata is another who will be close to set in stone due to the transfer. That would leave him competing with the likes of Januzaj for the last spot in the front 4. We all know how much Moyes likes Valencia and Young for some reason, they'll get plenty of games/ There's Lingard and Zaha who is already in the same position and they have both proven themselves in the championship as well. There's little to no playing time on the horizon for Powell as a forward player, as a midfielder its not like Fellaini, Cleverley and Fletcher have set the bar too high for him to play.

As another thing, usually I'd agree about not playing enough as a CM for him to develop as one longterm but you look at Wenger who has always said Chamberlain will eventually be a central player but always chose to use him out wide instead, only drafting him into the middle recently as injuries meant he didnt have much of a choice. He still maintains Chamberlain isnt ready to be used there fulltime, or he did say that right before having to use him to cover injuries. My point is Wenger gets more right than wrong about his central midfield especially the forward thinking ones and if he feels its okay to have a young central midfielder playing next to no games playing central midfield, then maybe it can work out that way for Powell too.
 
LonelyFire said:
Disagree pal. The passing thing is more concentration - not technically ability. He will mature. Believe me, he has everything you want in a box to box player.
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Agreed, he's shown he can play the passes its just perhaps he's taking too many risks or not valuing playing the high percentage passes to keep the ball well enough yet. That'll come with coaching and experience. Its not like he hasnt shown an ability to be involved in nice passing moves or finding a teammate in a good position. He's shown he can. Its just improving the consistancy and helping us control the game that needs work and as you say, thats mostly a mental thing. Its not a big deal that a teenager doesn't yet have that down.
 
Mauzindark said:
Not to go over board but I think we can mould him into an 'Aaron Ramsey' kind of box-to-box player. He's a big lad, great engine, eye for goal, loves to tackle, good vision. The one evident flaw he needs to work upon is his passing, which is very sloppy for a player aspiring to play for Manchester United. But I believe that can be sorted out by the back room staff. If there's one real criticism of him it's that he takes things a bit too easy in the training - some of Wigan's players have testified to that. Has to really step up in practise if he's to get his chance under Moyes, who is a demanding taskmaster.
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Thought the same
 
Well I do think thats slightly overboard because Ramsey makes more tackles than Powell is ever likely to. The goals of a Lampard or Ramsey, maybe.
 
Powell will make it imo. Between him and Adnan, we will be ok in the youth players breaking through department.
 
I think another loan is probably the best option. Should be to a premier league team though - he's definitely good enough to be a regular for a few teams in the bottom half.
 
I'd like to see him get a few games next season, the only difficulty is the number of players we may have by that stage. New midfielder (?) along with Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley, Fellaini and then Powell - you have 6 players for two positions. Conversely though i suppose 5 midfielders and then Powell, who can play pretty much anywhere from CM forward could be a useful asset to us so it may be more balanced than it first appears. Give the lad a chance next season, for me.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Has he been injured lately?
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Yes, for quite a few weeks now.

I'm considerably less convinced he'll end up a midfielder now than I was when we signed him or even a year ago. He has exclusively played in a more advanced position since we bought him and to me he looks more like a natural forward/attacking midfielder every time I see him. I'm aware of what Sir and Gradi said when we signed him but at the moment he lacks a bit of stamina and work rate for central midfield.
 
BTW I really don't think it would be a good idea pairing him with Fellaini/ Cleverley. That's a recipe for disaster and a one way ticket to ceding control of the game. None of them are good at setting the tempo for the rest of the team.
 
This kid is fantastic and I hope we can find a way to work him into the first team next season.

I assume Kagawa will be sold and That Mata won't play every single match, so the chances will come.
 
The Ramsey comparison is a pretty good one I think. Potentially I think he is as good.
 
I thought Ramsey was considered an especially good passer for his age, adept at quick pass and move football.

Mauzindark suggested Powell's passing isn't up to to that level, or I am overrating Ramsey's passing?
 
He has the talent. I could see a potential Kroos/Thiago sort of partnership between him and Pereira in a few years, in front of a more defensive minded midfielder. Of course, that won't happen as firstly, we will probably sign a top midfielder who is expected to play, and secondly, we are unlikely to switch to playing 3 midfielders.
 
gooDevil said:
I thought Ramsey was considered an especially good passer for his age, adept at quick pass and move football.

Mauzindark suggested Powell's passing isn't up to to that level, or I am overrating Ramsey's passing?
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Ramsey is quite good at quick passing and pushing into space to receive it back, he linked up very well with Ozil doing this.

Ramsey is the definition of box to box though. He actually lead the league in tackles throughout his brilliant start to the season (not sure for how many weeks though).
 
Well he's barely behind anyone for tackles now. Only Yacob is out in front, then Lucas, Schneiderlin and Zabaleta have averaged 0.1 more tackles than Ramsey this season.
 
Ekeke said:
Well he's barely behind anyone for tackles now. Only Yacob is out in front, then Lucas, Schneiderlin and Zabaleta have averaged 0.1 more tackles than Ramsey this season.
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Not surprised to see Lucas and Schneiderlin up there.
 
I wish we would consider Schneiderlin. He isn't as big a name as most would like us to sign in midfield but I reckon he could be what we need.

As for Powell I really don't see him as a Ramsey type at all. If playing him in midfield, I only see it being at the tip of a midfield three which is a problem in our team with two immovable players up top in Rooney and RvP. I really like Powell but I think I'd like to see him on a PL loan next season.
 
When Arsenal played Southampton Wenger made special mention of him being a top midfielder. The window was still open so I wondered if they'd go for him
 
LR7 said:
I wish we would consider Schneiderlin. He isn't as big a name as most would like us to sign in midfield but I reckon he could be what we need.

As for Powell I really don't see him as a Ramsey type at all. If playing him in midfield, I only see it being at the tip of a midfield three which is a problem in our team with two immovable players up top in Rooney and RvP. I really like Powell but I think I'd like to see him on a PL loan next season.
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Yep, that's what I see too. Of course he is young and can surely adapt, but then he'll need to go play central midfield somewhere instead of support striker.
 
Yeah, this one is lingering. No idea what's wrong with him but he picked up a few injuries last season as well, slightly ominous I guess.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Back in training. Shweet.

Be awesome if he got the nod against the berties. Fingers crossed.
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You got my hopes up that he'd been recalled then, until I realised Wigan have City in the cup :(
 
Nice comments from Rosler:
“It’s great to have Nick Powell back out there and the first thing he was involved with he played a brilliant pass to send James McClean forward. His quality in that moment gave the whole stadium and the team a lift."
 
Once he has a defined position he'll pick things up. If he's not a brilliant tackler now he'll get a crash course in that. If he isn't brilliant at the simple passes and is too hollywood at times, he'll pick it up.

He just has something about him, I really hope we get this one right.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
Once he has a defined position he'll pick things up. If he's not a brilliant tackler now he'll get a crash course in that. If he isn't brilliant at the simple passes and is too hollywood at times, he'll pick it up.

He just has something about him, I really hope we get this one right.
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Agreed. I really think he will make it here.
 
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