Powell may go out on loan again next season, to a PL club. Moyes is clearly intent on bringing in new players in the midfield area, and I suppose it depends on who is let go as to whether Powell stays and gets the occasional start. Personally I think going on loan to a PL club would be more beneficial than hanging around on the bench hoping for the occasional run out or start.
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With the state our midfield (I am making the assumption that he'll start there) is in at the moment he would get plenty of opportunities. Giggs will likely retire, Cleverley looks short of confidence, don't know how many games will Fletch play, Carrick is getting on and Fellaini is Fellaini. There is space for him in the centre of the park even with an addition or two.
Who would have thought that Januzaj will get this many starts for us this season?
I suppose it will depend on whether Moyes thinks Powell is ready for the PL. Let's face it, Wigan are a Championship side and Powell hasn't really faced PL opposition except on the very odd occasion. Moyes may want to give him a season with a PL team to see how he deals with it.
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Wigan might be back in the PL next season, they will fancy their chances in the playoffs. I actually would like to see him back here. I hope Moyes has actually been enquiring about his progress.
@Pogue
I was complaining to a City supporting colleague this morning about Moyes and he said that United fans are having to learn what it is like to be crap. It is certainly true in my case as I was three when Fergie took over.
There were multiple mistakes and oversights made in Fergie's last five years that are coming home to roost in this period of instability. Nonetheless, I don't think that comes close to exonerating Moyes in all of this. To me, there stands a man out of his depth, the cap doesn't fit, whatever metaphor you want to use.
I always thought that Fergie would destroy his empire, it just seemed to me like destiny for such a great but flawed in character leader. I didn't expect it to happen this way though. I really believe that the only way to rectify the situation is to sack Moyes and get someone capable in. I dread to think what the club will look like at the start of next season if Moyes gets to do surgery on the squad.
I was complaining to a City supporting colleague this morning about Moyes and he said that United fans are having to learn what it is like to be crap. It is certainly true in my case as I was three when Fergie took over.
There were multiple mistakes and oversights made in Fergie's last five years that are coming home to roost in this period of instability. Nonetheless, I don't think that comes close to exonerating Moyes in all of this. To me, there stands a man out of his depth, the cap doesn't fit, whatever metaphor you want to use.
I always thought that Fergie would destroy his empire, it just seemed to me like destiny for such a great but flawed in character leader. I didn't expect it to happen this way though. I really believe that the only way to rectify the situation is to sack Moyes and get someone capable in. I dread to think what the club will look like at the start of next season if Moyes gets to do surgery on the squad.
Wow, Pogue, don't think I've ever 'read' you so low! However, that is a footballing smorgasbord of horrors with respect to United. Actually, I'm starting to get bored of the whole discussion about Moyes and United's fall from grace. Everything just goes round in circles. Quited liked Moyes as a person until recently. Not sure why, but I'm now getting to the stage where I'd like to slap his face every time I see him...don't like feeling that way...
A Premier League loan is in order. He'll waste a year back here, particularly if Moyes is still in charge. The manager will have bought his shiny, new toys and will be in no position to give lots of chances to the Powell's of this world, particularly as he's a central midfielder which carries that bit more responsibility than, let's say, Adnan.
A Premier League loan and some consistent game time will work wonders. I think he'll do fine, every club in the bottom half would jump at a goalscoring midfielder like him. They're rare.
A Premier League loan and some consistent game time will work wonders. I think he'll do fine, every club in the bottom half would jump at a goalscoring midfielder like him. They're rare.
I remember us being crap. I also remember Liverpool being a powerhouse of football. Feck it, I can even remember when Everton were top dogs.
I think it's ok being crap when that's what you're used to. Especially when you're not crap enough to go long without winning a cup of some sort i.e. not properly crap. Becoming crap after decades of domination is a little hard to take, though. I still think I'd cope without all the other annoyances we're enduring this season. Not that I'm not actually coping, you understand. All I'm doing is having a bellyache on the internet. I have enough perspective in life not to lose any sleep about football. Never been one of those "United -> Kids -> Wife" lunatics. They must be really hurting.
Anyway, Nick Powell. The next Frank Lampard? Or a flat-track bully yet to make a specific position his own, who won't work hard enough in training to ever fulfil his potential?
On the very rare occasion this season when I'm feeling upbeat about football I convince myself he'll be the former.
With the week that's in it, I'm not so sure...
@Pogue
I am not sure with Powell. He certainly has that bit of game changing magic about him but I just wonder if he is a bit Matt Le Tissier where despite the brilliance he just won't fit at a top club.
The biggest question is where will he fit in a team?
It always seemed to me that his best position would be a number ten but that is highly unlikely to occur at Manchester United in the next five years.
He has been playing mostly as a forward this season, often wide, despite everyone thinking that he is midfielder. I have always been less than impressed with his passing and if you look at his passing stats this season they are pitiful. Now I don't know if this is because he is hitting a lot of failed crosses as I haven't been watching Wigan but it does little to allay my doubts over his passing. Obviously if he wants to be a midfielder he needs to up this side of his game.
Often in the past we have have wondered if he is a little too laid back back and lethargic in his play but if you browse a Wigan fan forum and look at his tackling stats he has shown a great work ethic this season and it has become a strength for him.
Those considerations bring me to thinking of Aaron Ramsey. I think that it has been mentioned previously in the thread that perhaps Powell could fulfill such a role for United in a similar mould, a kind of complete midfielder who is capable of goal scoring magic and getting through defensive work but who will never be renowned for his passing ability.
I would settle for that anyway.
I am not sure with Powell. He certainly has that bit of game changing magic about him but I just wonder if he is a bit Matt Le Tissier where despite the brilliance he just won't fit at a top club.
The biggest question is where will he fit in a team?
It always seemed to me that his best position would be a number ten but that is highly unlikely to occur at Manchester United in the next five years.
He has been playing mostly as a forward this season, often wide, despite everyone thinking that he is midfielder. I have always been less than impressed with his passing and if you look at his passing stats this season they are pitiful. Now I don't know if this is because he is hitting a lot of failed crosses as I haven't been watching Wigan but it does little to allay my doubts over his passing. Obviously if he wants to be a midfielder he needs to up this side of his game.
Often in the past we have have wondered if he is a little too laid back back and lethargic in his play but if you browse a Wigan fan forum and look at his tackling stats he has shown a great work ethic this season and it has become a strength for him.
Those considerations bring me to thinking of Aaron Ramsey. I think that it has been mentioned previously in the thread that perhaps Powell could fulfill such a role for United in a similar mould, a kind of complete midfielder who is capable of goal scoring magic and getting through defensive work but who will never be renowned for his passing ability.
I would settle for that anyway.
That's not good. Pitiful in number or pitiful in accuracy?
Generally not too concerned about a striker with poor accuracy on their passing as they play so many high risk passes. Although you'd expect someone with potential to play in midfield to use the ball more carefully than most. Welbeck, for example, is a striker who rarely gives the ball away and I've often thought that he might be a natural in a more deeper role. How would he compare with other players who play the same position?
My view is straightforward. Sack Moyes and give Powell his chance under the new manager. We're lacking a bit of energy and magic on the line and Powell can deliver it. And if I'm wrong and we find out he can't cut it, then so be it.
Scored another worldie with his left foot today in the last minute.
I'm really hoping he has a fantastic preseason and makes an impact sort of like what Januzaj did.
Anyone got a gif of the goal?
he seems to be used always as a supersub at Wigan which might suggest he is a long way off trying to break into first 11 at Utd...but he will be a great player eventually
Right, you want to sack our manager just so we can recall a promising loaned player, despite evidence (Januzaj) that Moyes will give any promising youngster the game time they deserve?
Gotcha!
He's only come back from injury. He's been a mainstay of their XI for much of them time I've been following his progress there.
Nice goal.
See from 1:05
This guy will make it.
There's such a casualness about him, which I like. His position is my main concern.
If he's not playing premiership football next season it's such a waste
Hopefully it's a loan, rather than this, from this morning:
Manchester United's Nick Powell a transfer target for Swansea as Moyes clear-out looms
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfers-nick-powell-3300647
Madness if we sold him. A loan to Swansea would be ideal though.
Here at United? I hope so but we need to find a club who dont play him as a striker first for it to work long term.
Papers have talked about a permanent transfer for him all season, no chance of it especially at a lower price then what we paid for him.
Should get a PL loan next year, hopefully at a club that'll play him a bit deeper.
Should get a PL loan next year, hopefully at a club that'll play him a bit deeper.
As weird as it sounds, I'm really not too worried about his position yet. I think game time is the most important thing right now. He's filled in a few roles for Wigan this season but generally has either been up front or behind the striker. Ideally we'd like to see him at a Premier League club next season where he can play AM or a bit deeper, but his all-round game has been brilliant from what I've seen. He reminds me a lot of Lampard, and he's only just turned 20.
Oh yes, at his age, regular match time is much better than reserve matches or the occasional game even at the correct position.
I don't think he should be taken out of what appears to be his best position so far. His strength is scoring goals, and his weak suit is his passing. I think he will be a forward in the long term, as his finishing is tremendous. Forcing him deeper wouldn't be getting the best out of him IMO. It doesn't suit United and where we are short, but we should remedy that by buying actual midfielders.
Absolutely. I think trying to shoehorn him into a position he's not totally comfortable with right now could do some harm to his development. He's enjoying his football currently, when he's ready to make a mark on our first team (I'd imagine at the end of next season after hopefully a successful PL loan) then we can assess what his next move is.
Something got lost in the translation. I'm not saying sack Moyes so that we can recall Powell. That would be madness.
What I'm saying is that whoever the manager is next season that he should recall Powell. Moyes should be sacked for reasons that have nothing to do with Powell. That was clear the first time around but hopefully it's even more clear now.
So basically you were just saying bring Powell back and play him. You just added the anti-Moyes bit out of habit. Don't let it spread to the rest of your life...
"Fancy a brew?"
"Yeah, 2 sugars, Moyes has to go he's shit"
Someone has been spiking your collective pot of tea in England today.
What's relevant about Moyes is that he's the manager of United. Powell is a footballer on the United payroll. There is a nexus between the two facts.
There is no nexus between Moyes, sugar and brew. I can't think of any circumstance in which one would spike brew with sugar and think about Moyes.
But let's dig a little further in Moyes and Powell. We knew our season had gone to the dogs and were out of top four when we lost back to back home matches in early December. (Everton then Newcastle or something like that.). Then we had a bad run of injuries. RvP, Rooney, I think Nani and whoever else. The opportunity to begin building for next season was right there and he could have, and should, brought back Powell, who was torching the conference. The conference is not the prem but it's still a noteworthy achievement.
Moyes should be sacked for independent reasons, beginning with his shambolic summer behavior, his cluelessness on tactics and his inability to inspire his players. But it didn't help at all that he only developed ONE young player this season (januzaj, as you rightly note) once this season was a list cause. Ridiculous. United, if nothing else, is a club which has traditionally given promising young players a chance.
So, don't sack Moyes BECAUSE he failed to recall Powell. That would indeed be madness. But Moyes, to this still United manager, does come to mind when discussing Powell's potential future with United.
And no, Moyes should not be sacked because I refuse to spike my brew with sugar!
I see your point, he should have put it like this:
"Fancy a brew?"
"No, Moyes has to go, he's shit"
Go forth, A1ex, and post this quote in every thread in the forum. I've never seen a more useful couple of lines.Well done. Deserved for that joke.
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