NFL Thread 2014-2015

Organic Potatoes said:
I would put the over/under at 1.5 years, but Jerry would hate to admit he was wrong so that may not be conservative enough.

It's all downhill for Romo and in due time Demarco Murray from here though. This was their last good chance to win it all.
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Words of a hater, sounds like. It was their first good shot since the 2006-09 stretch. This was the first season in many years they had a dominant offensive line and solid running game, which is no surprise that sprang the club to 12-4 over the previous 8-8 seasons. I've been saying for years this club had a 12-4 offense and a 4-12 defense. The offense improved which kept the defense off the field, and the defense learned to tackle better. Marinelli is some kind of miracle worker and rumor is he's sticking around for three more seasons. Give him some more quality and the defense should improve.

The O-Line is very young, the receiving corp as well save Witten, and Murray has been offered a cap friendly deal at $16m/4 yrs according to rumors (I'm sure he'll test FA). Romo was statistically the best QB this past season and hasn't showed signs of slowing down. He's got a good 2-3 quality seasons left in him most likely; at age 35, top tier QBs are still quite productive in this era, if his body holds up which it seemingly has despite the hits he's taken.

The defense needs more quality. Jerry failed to add quality to the defense from 2007-09 and it cost the club a terrific shot (and pushing Parcells out was a big player too). I'm thinking he won't fail to address the defense this time around.

They have a decent window for success looming, that much is obvious. It could fall apart but that could happen to any club (see SF). They need to release Weeden and find a backup QB that has mobility to work in this system (Colt McCoy would be my first choice).
 
Yeah, that was a weird prediction there...Dallas seems to be a strong enough team to dominate the NFC East for a few years. If anything, Dallas is head and shoulders above anyone else in that division. If Foles stays healthy and Shady has a year that resembled 2012, Philly is going to be a threat, but the other two teams seem to be in full rebuild mode. Who knows though, the way the Giants work, they'll probably win the Super Bowl next year.

Dallas' O-Line is young, which means it can probably improve together as a unit and build upon last year. Or they can collectively regress like the Lions' O-line did this year. Detroit struggled offensively this year because a number of young O-line personnel they relied upon last, like Waddle, Warford and Reiff, struggled with injuries and consistency. And kudos to Dallas, and Rod himself I guess, for resurrecting Marinelli's corpse. He really is suited for a coordinator or defensive line coach, but as a head coach he was out of his element. Nice enough guy, just comes across as an absolute fool, but he may just be out of his depth as a HC and figurehead
 
Eboue said:
Murray isn't coming back and they don't need him either.
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What do you think about the Manning situation? You think he'll retire?

If he does, what's Osweiler like? You think Denver will need to look for a new QB?
 
Rado_N said:
What do you think about the Manning situation? You think he'll retire?

If he does, what's Osweiler like? You think Denver will need to look for a new QB?
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I expect him to come back. My conspiracy theory is that Fox was fired so that Adam Gase could be promoted. Gase was possibly going to go somewhere else and be a head coach and Manning really likes him so this was possibly the only way of keeping Gase and by extension Manning.

I wasn't impressed with Osweiler in college but he was a second round pick, so they almost have to give him a shot at starting before bringing in anyone else. I expect Manning for one more year, maybe Osweiler getting more playing time once the Broncos have built up leads in games and then Osweiler to have a chance to start the year after.
 
Eboue said:
I wasn't impressed with Osweiler in college but he was a second round pick, so they almost have to give him a shot at starting before bringing in anyone else. I expect Manning for one more year, maybe Osweiler getting more playing time once the Broncos have built up leads in games and then Osweiler to have a chance to start the year after
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He seems slow in the execution, do you think that he can improve that massively, just with more playing time ?
 
Osweiler, he seems to see the right things but the timing is wrong, sometimes very wrong. A bit like Manziel.
He plays like an average Rookie, that doesn't seem normal when you train with Manning and have Gase as coach.
 
Eboue said:
I expect him to come back. My conspiracy theory is that Fox was fired so that Adam Gase could be promoted. Gase was possibly going to go somewhere else and be a head coach and Manning really likes him so this was possibly the only way of keeping Gase and by extension Manning.

I wasn't impressed with Osweiler in college but he was a second round pick, so they almost have to give him a shot at starting before bringing in anyone else. I expect Manning for one more year, maybe Osweiler getting more playing time once the Broncos have built up leads in games and then Osweiler to have a chance to start the year after.
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Interesting, cheers.

I'll build up more knowledge on this kind of thing and stop asking you questions all the time eventually.

Maybe.
 
JPRouve said:
Osweiler, he seems to see the right things but the timing is wrong, sometimes very wrong. A bit like Manziel.
He plays like an average Rookie, that doesn't seem normal when you train with Manning and have Gase as coach.
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Manning may not actually help the kid much, being a great player doesn't mean you have the ability to pass that on to another player. Being the offensive coordinator Gase probably does not work with the QB's one on one on things like mechanics, that would usually fall to the QB coach (if there is one), plus the back up QB's get a small minority of snaps during practice.
 
JustAFan said:
Manning may not actually help the kid much, being a great player doesn't mean you have the ability to pass that on to another player. Being the offensive coordinator Gase probably does not work with the QB's one on one on things like mechanics, that would usually fall to the QB coach (if there is one), plus the back up QB's get a small minority of snaps during practice.
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Gase was QB coach when Osweiler came, right ? Or He was promoted the same year.

And with Manning lightened training, Osweiler has one day per week with the first team, that's not a lot but that's maybe 40 training sessions per year with them.
I haven't had the chance to follow, Rodgers when Favre was still at Green Bay, the situation was more complicated for him, obviously there is a world between Rodgers and Osweiler.
 
Rodgers was a case where he was drafted specifically to be Favre's eventual replacement. He had been projected by some to possibly be the first pick in the draft that year with the 49ers, who instead picked Alex Smith. Rodgers then slipped down to 24th, where the Pack snapped him up, but he was still the 2nd QB taken in that draft.

Difficult to judge, even in college it seems he only had one season as a starter and he might not have had that season has his competition and starter from the previous season not had to give up football due to repeated concussions.

How good is he? I have no idea, but he missed a lot of development not starting in college except for one season.
 
Listening to local sports talk radio today bills fans drooling over how awesome their D is going to be and how if the QB from Ohio state declares for the draft the bills should draft him. Somehow his three starts at Ohio state guarantee NFL success
 
JustAFan said:
Listening to local sports talk radio today bills fans drooling over how awesome their D is going to be and how if the QB from Ohio state declares for the draft the bills should draft him. Somehow his three starts at Ohio state guarantee NFL success
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I'm exaggerating but Braxton Miller can't throw a ball (he can but that's not his best attribute), he is an excellent running back though, they are drooling for him, right ?
 
Gase didn't get the job in San Fran... is he getting the gig in Denver? Elway wants a proven winner which seemingly points far away from Gase. Perhaps Fox may lure Gase to Chicago?

Kubiak's name keeps being mentioned in the Denver media. He's played and worked there before but didn't impress as a HC in Houston.

Dan Quinn is rumored to be the Falcons top candidate.

Del Rio to Oakland, Tomsula promoted in San Fran, and Bowles gets the gig with the Jets. Good hire for the Jets.

As for the EJ Manuel thing... was said on a Denver talk radio that perhaps Marrone left as the front office wants to give Manuel another year, and perhaps Marone was also ticked off on the Watkins draft day trade. It's rumored he's stated he'd never have sanctioned giving up those picks to move up for Watkins.
 
5 mins in the job and Rex's already making guarantees... Loudmouthed cnut hasn't learnt from his previous guarantees.
 
"Fourth in the league was probably a little disappointing," he said. "I know we'll lead the league in defense."
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:lol:
 
JPRouve said:
I'm exaggerating but Braxton Miller can't throw a ball (he can but that's not his best attribute), he is an excellent running back though, they are drooling for him, right ?
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Cardale Jones.
 
Invictus said:
We'll know either way by today becander use the deadline ends on 15 Jan.
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After three little(huge) games ? he is a true freshman(i think) that's too soon, and the Bills had a good record this year, someone else will take a punt before them.

I might be wrong but a year experiencing fame and being under everyone scrutiny at college level could do him well. The NFL seem to be brutal if you are not totally ready mentally.
 
JPRouve said:
After three little(huge) games ? he is a true freshman(i think) that's too soon, and the Bills had a good record this year, someone else will take a punt before them.

I might be wrong but a year experiencing fame and being under everyone scrutiny at college level could do him well. The NFL seem to be brutal if you are not totally ready mentally.
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Jones is a 22 year old sophomore who also attended Fork Union Military Academy to improve his grades for one semester, so he can declare. Don't think it's the best idea but it kind of makes sense. This year there's Winston and Mariota. Then there's a huge void. Hundley, Petty, Grayson have more experience but also have a lot of inconsistencies in their game. His stock is probably the highest it will ever be so if Cardale declares, who knows some team like Arizona or Kansas could fall in love with him, and frankly working with Arians and Reid would improve him a ton. There's every chance he'll be supplanted as the starter by JT Barrett while Miller transfers to FSU or LSU so going back might hurt his draft-stock. That said, he stated he's not ready in a recent presser, so going back and getting his degree would be the more sensible option.
 
Invictus said:
Jones is a 22 year old sophomore who also attended Fort Union Military Academy to improve his grades for one semester, so he can declare. Don't think it's the best idea but it kind of makes sense. This year there's Winston and Mariota. Then there's a huge void. Hundley, Petty, Grayson have more experience but also have a lot of inconsistencies in their game. His stock is probably the highest it will ever be so if Cardale declares, who knows some team like Arizona or Kansas could fall in love with him, and frankly working with Arians and Reid would improve him a ton. There's every chance he'll be supplanted as the starter by JT Barrett while Miller transfers to FSU or LSU so going back might hurt his draft-stock. That said, he stated he's not ready in a recent presser, so going back and getting his degree would be the more sensible option.
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I agree with you, it makes sense there is good teams who need a QB, he has the right style (balance) for the NFL, and Barrett will be a problem, i thought that he could be transferred like Miller because he is too good to be on the bench, since he only lacks experience.
But like you said some teams like Arizona or Kansas really need someone with a little bit of talent.
 
JPRouve said:
After three little(huge) games ? he is a true freshman(i think) that's too soon, and the Bills had a good record this year, someone else will take a punt before them.

I might be wrong but a year experiencing fame and being under everyone scrutiny at college level could do him well. The NFL seem to be brutal if you are not totally ready mentally.
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Ummm. Nobody in their right mind would use a first round pick on Jones if he declares he will last well into the middle rounds
 
JPRouve said:
I'm exaggerating but Braxton Miller can't throw a ball (he can but that's not his best attribute), he is an excellent running back though, they are drooling for him, right ?
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I was talking about Jones hence the mention of 3 starts. Bunch of bills fan wanting him to come out and start for the bills next season
 
JustAFan said:
Ummm. Nobody in their right mind would use a first round pick on Jones if he declares he will last well into the middle rounds
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JustAFan said:
I was talking about Jones hence the mention of 3 starts. Bunch of bills fan wanting him to come out and start for the bills next season
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Yeah, i didn't thought that it was an option for Jones, and i didn't saw your last sentence. :nervous:
 
I kinda think Jones should have went pro, even if that meant not getting drafted until the fourth round or later. He's likely not playing much next season unless Miller and Barrett go down again, which is possible but so is an alien invasion in theory. Although Barrett could transfer I suppose, and Jones will likely receive some mop duty in fourth quarters.

Even if he were to be drafted in the middle or later rounds, he'd pick up a very nice payday (if he makes an opening roster, which he surely would as even if cut another club would certainly claim him off waivers), and also has a child to support. The drafting club would know they have a raw talent that could be molded into at least a backup option and possibly into a starter. I'm sure a Chip Kelly or Pete Carroll would take a flyer on him, and probably a few others. I guess he could enter the supplemental draft this summer if he changes his mind or something else occurs.
 
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