NFL 2023
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No I meant that Nagy is likely to get the Chiefs OC job and then he will likely take over from Reid when he steps down.
Dude, learn to leave things alone please. You've made your points, I've made mine. What I wrote does not suggest what you said. I'm talking about levels of qualification for a position. Now let's talk about whether Bryce Y can translate to the next level, that should be fun.
I'd say it's actually very unlikely if you look at the past few years. Not to mention Nagy has already proven to be quite a bad HC in Chicago.
2023 HC hires: none were promoted coordinator on their own team.
2022 HC hires: Dennis Allen, Todd Bowles and Lovie Smith as DCs (Smith got the job after posting a combined 8-24 record with the Buccaneers in 2014 and 2015 as HC by the way).
2021 HC hires: none were promoted coordinators on their own team.
2020 HC hires: none were promoted coordinators on their own team.
In fact the last OC promoted to HC on his own team was Freddie Kitchens as interim OC for the Browns in 2019.
Can see the Bears trying to trade down twice... first to the Texans, and then having got the #2 from the Texans, trading that to the Colts for the #4. Get a load of extra value and still get to pick from Anderson or Carter.
Yeah I think if Texans fall in love with Bryce and they know the Colts, a divisional rival no less, they’ll have to make a move.
Fair points, well made
It was a hell of a rebuild, Chiefs were damn near the worst team in the league before the season started:
Ernie Stautner won 2 SBs and 3 additional conference championships under Tom Landry and never got an NFL HC gig. He was the DC for three of those SB appearances with one title. He was praised in NFL circles for years as a top tier defensive coach. It does happen.
Flip side is you get guys like Kliff Kingsbury that never did much of anything to ever get an interview let alone hired.
Racism plays a role in some cases, and perhaps so does the personality of the person interviewing for the job. Maybe some people come off abrasive, combative, or whatever it may be. Some people just suck at interviews.
Flip side is you get guys like Kliff Kingsbury that never did much of anything to ever get an interview let alone hired.
Racism plays a role in some cases, and perhaps so does the personality of the person interviewing for the job. Maybe some people come off abrasive, combative, or whatever it may be. Some people just suck at interviews.
Yeah... and how did that turn out?
So, people might have learned something from that.
Also a deep TE draft. Jeremiah has Kincaid going ahead the big-name in Mayer, and the Texas Tech DE going ahead of Will Anderson, which speaks to the quality in those positions of TE and DE. Good RBs will get pushed back like you said, though there won’t be a surprise at the top of the position there (maybe one at the third RB).
I could see the WRs going like they did when the deep threat surprisingly went ahead of Jeudy and Lamb that the PPR fantasy nerds were all astir about. I think it was Lance Z that had first Hyatt going as the first WR? And of course there’s the annual just-about-5’10”-ish guys that you can’t figure out whether or not to be excited about - one of whom is sneaking into the first here:
Brutal
but racism
I'm all for a nuanced view about the EB racism angle, but it seems like this is just butthurt Shady if other (ex) Chiefs are to be believed.
McCoy does come across as a bit salty, but he also raises some good points. Beyond not calling plays, he suggested it was Reid who actually did much of the offensive coaching itself in practices, which portrays EB as little more than a glorified assistant. If true, that would speak to reluctance to hire him over the years (whereas Ryans get hired first chance he gets).
Why does everything have to always be so binary. There can be an element of racism. There can be concerns over his style. There can be concerns over his lack of responsibility at the chiefs. There can be concerns over the fact he’s had a great team recently to work with for the rings. All of these things can all be true at the same time. He’s got his chance now as a full OC. Now time will tell whether he’s cut out for it and a HC job in future or not.
No one is binary except andrade
With Reid there are several issues that don't exist with many other offensive head coaches. He is the actual mastermind when it comes to blocking and running schemes because it was his speciality and where he is possibly the best in the league, that's also EB specialty. He then added the passing game expertise to his portfolio through from what I understand, Shurmur and Pederson who are both passing and quaterback play specialists.
It's possible that EB has developed under Reid but we won't know unless he leaves Reid which he has done.
Buccaneers legend Shady McCoy, better put some respect on his name.
As if I need more NFL content to make me absolutely hyped for the start of the season during summer
Yeah, the fact that it's ex Chiefs players (who don't need to do it) is pretty revelatory. Also, if you want further insight on Shady's mindset when it comes to racism in the NFL, just check out his comments on the Kap situation. Another 'binary' case, I'm sure. People need to not make the mistake of thinking that because someone is black, their word verifies that racism is absent.
He was there for half a year near the start of EB's tenure. This thinking doesn't account for the fact that EB would likely have developed and undertaken more responsibility under Reid. Shady hasn't been on that team (on the bench, a further source of his ire) for years.
Also confusing as to why Reid, in carrying out a very difficult job would want a 'glorified assistant' alongside him when he could easily have someone that could actually help him coach
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He hasn't got his chance. He will only get his chance if and when he becomes a head coach.
So he's better than... off the top of my head, PJ Walker, Desmond Ridder and Taysom Hill?
Walker, no; Ridder, maybe; Hill, yes.
Our new OC signaled that Trask could be going into OTAs as QB1. Hopefully we still keep Gabbert around.
How is a 28 year old backup QB who stopped playing in 2022 supposed to coach Wilson?
That just sounds so amateurish, so sophomoric. Can’t believe Payton sanctioned this.
Just because he couldn’t execute it doesn’t mean he can’t have great ideas. Kellen Moore has been a good offensive coach, Josh McCown was touted for a HC job.
He was a prodigy whose body just couldn't hold up due to injury.
I've never heard of him before
I mean, Wilson's personal QB coach is Jake Heaps who is also younger than Wilson and who was only ever good enough to be a camp body for the Seahawks, not even a backup. Don't think him being younger or a backup will matter to Wilson and @RobinLFC is right, him being a worse QB than Wilson doesn't mean that he doesn't understand the position.
Many people decried the 49ers appointing Griese as the quarterback coach and it turned out pretty well, Jimmy G was playing the best football of his career and then Brock Purdy stepped in and was outstanding. I wouldn't be against something radical when it comes to Russell Wilson, it's clear he needs a big change as he was nowhere near last season.
What in the world
not a surprise.