NFL 2023

[Hephaestus]

The sport he bet on wasn’t a problem it was where he put the bet on - team facility, team travel or team hotel.

That’s absolute bullshit.

I mean, "don't bet while at work" doesn't seem like an egregious rule.

So it's fine for the Dolphins owner to tell Flores to throw games but it's a 1 year suspension for a player who legally places a bet on another sport. Errrr okay?

The ones who got suspended for a year were betting on the NFL, just not their own teams.

 

[RoadTrip]

The lengths of the bans are completely disproportional to the crime (albeit silly rule to break in any case), but importantly completely disproportional to other bans the NFL gives to, IMO, far worse crimes.

 

[RoadTrip]

I mean, "don't bet while at work" doesn't seem like an egregious rule.

The ones who got suspended for a year were betting on the NFL, just not their own teams.

Fine with the rule. Punishment is due, don’t disagree. But the proportion of those punishments, at least for those who weren’t betting on the NFL, are ridiculous IMO.

 

[Hephaestus]

Fine with the rule. Punishment is due, don’t disagree. But the proportion of those punishments, at least for those who weren’t betting on the NFL, are ridiculous IMO.

Ah, sorry, I thought you were calling the rule bullshit. Agree that it's a way over the top punishment compared to something like Watson getting 11 games, yeah.

 

[JPRouve]

The lengths of the bans are completely disproportional to the crime (albeit silly rule to break in any case), but importantly completely disproportional to other bans the NFL gives to, IMO, far worse crimes.

IIRC it's linked to getting money and having a team from Vegas. These type of offences are allegedly way more damaging to the league and most importantly to the league ability to make money.

 

[JJ12]

I mean, "don't bet while at work" doesn't seem like an egregious rule.

The ones who got suspended for a year were betting on the NFL, just not their own teams.

If it’s in the facility I can understand that but if it’s travelling or in the hotel then I think it’s excessive

 

[Hephaestus]

If it’s in the facility I can understand that but if it’s travelling or in the hotel then I think it’s excessive

Maybe but I can understand it since for both of those you're still with the team.

 

[P-Ro]

 

[Raoul]

How strange. Delilah is the same spot where Willie McGinest got into a brawl recently.

 

[calodo2003]

How strange. Delilah is the same spot where Willie McGinest got into a brawl recently.

That’s the one where his ass was showing the whole time, no?

 

[Raoul]

That’s the one where his ass was showing the whole time, no?

I can't tell who is who in the video. I'll have to make a point to not visit this place.

 

[calodo2003]

I can't tell who is who in the video. I'll have to make a point to not visit this place.

Champagne bottles are much thicker & heavier than regular bottles, easily a weapon in someone’s hands.

 

[RoadTrip]

IIRC it's linked to getting money and having a team from Vegas. These type of offences are allegedly way more damaging to the league and most importantly to the league ability to make money.

Not quite sure I follow why it’s so damaging?

 

[P-Ro]

Don't the Eagles have issues with their cap? If I was them I'd just draft Bijan instead.

 

[RobinLFC]

Draft week guys! Gonna be such a good first round, anything can happen at this point.

If I'm the Texans I'm doing everything I can to reunite Stroud and JSN and try to replicate the Burrow-Chase connection. If the Texans have taught me anything is that they're a good bet to not trade down, select Tyree Wilson at #2 and Bijan at #12 if he's still on the board there.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Don't the Eagles have issues with their cap? If I was them I'd just draft Bijan instead.

Don't think it's a genuine link. Nobody legit seems to be talking about it, but it picked up a bit of momentum when AJ Brown tweeted to make it happen.

Can't see the Eagles drafting Bijan either. I'm sure they'll go into the season with Gainwell, Scott and Penny. It's good enough. Too many gaps on defence to get a RB in the 1st.

 

[RobinLFC]

Don't think it's a genuine link. Nobody legit seems to be talking about it, but it picked up a bit of momentum when AJ Brown tweeted to make it happen.

Can't see the Eagles drafting Bijan either. I'm sure they'll go into the season with Gainwell, Scott and Penny. It's good enough. Too many gaps on defence to get a RB in the 1st.

That's not nearly good enough - Penny can't stay healthy, Scott is a scat back and they view Gainwell as a 3th down back. No doubt they'll be adding an RB through the draft imo.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

That's not nearly good enough - Penny can't stay healthy, Scott is a scat back and they view Gainwell as a 3th down back. No doubt they'll be adding an RB through the draft imo.

They likely will, definitely not Bijan though, it'll be later rounds if they do. Gainwell appears to be considered RB1 right now, now that Sanders is out. He was used a lot more in the playoffs and was good enough, I'd have no issue seeing him be RB1. I'd like to see Boston Scott get more snaps, I think he's generally underrated. Penny is a wildcard. He'll be good, if he can get on the field, but who knows how often that will be. Hurts will take a big chunk of the rushing yards too.

I don't think it'd be good value to draft Bijan at #10, or trade for Henry, with the defence holes, and their cap situation. I hope they do neither.

 

[calodo2003]

 

[Sylar]

As long as packers make some good moves with those picks otherwise it's a waste.

 

[P-Ro]

That's more than I thought they would get for him.

Edit: I didn't see that the Jets get pick 15. Okay that kind of sucks then considering you're expecting next year's 1st round pick to be in the 20s.

 

[Sylar]

So are we expecting a year at jets them a retirement
Then two years at Vikings?

 

[RoadTrip]

We are going to come 4th in our division. Butters.

 

[RobinLFC]

It's fair compensation, basically an early 2nd this year and likely a mid-to-late 1st next year - not a lot for a team desperate to make the playoffs for the first time in more than a decade.

 

[JJ12]

We are going to come 4th in our division. Butters.

Could be BB’s last year in New England. Things don’t seem right between Kraft and BB right now.

 

[Rado_N]

Wow, that came out of nowhere.

 

[dinostar77]

So is this a good move for rodgers or a bad one? I mean the jets? They are notriously rubbish all the time right? Or are they on the up?

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

So is this a good move for rodgers or a bad one? I mean the jets? They are notriously rubbish all the time right? Or are they on the up?

They have not been good in a long time but last year had a team that would have qualified for the playoffs with even average QB play. On paper they have much better weapons than GB does.

 

[calodo2003]

So is this a good move for rodgers or a bad one? I mean the jets? They are notriously rubbish all the time right? Or are they on the up?

Jets had a solid draft last year & would have made the playoffs if their rookie RB didn’t pop his ACL. Definitely a team on the ascendancy.

 

[Sandyman]

Time for Jordan to spread some Love

 

[Organic Potatoes]

That's more than I thought at first glance for AAron.

 

[RoadTrip]

Could be BB’s last year in New England. Things don’t seem right between Kraft and BB right now.

Would not be at all surprised.

 

[Andrade]

@TheMagicFoolBus @RobinLFC
Here is a more recent list from 2019, when Brady was a six time Super Bowl champion with a near 20 year career. He is above LT and JB but he is still not number one. This is from the USA Today; I've tried to reference only reputable publications where you assume they would use experts. The point is not to say that Brady would not be number one in a revised list done today by a similar group of experts, the point is to illustrate that it would not be unanimous that Brady is number one when it comes to football players. If you're talking about quarterbacks then there would be near unanimity in saying he's number one quite obviously.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl-100/2019/10/01/nfl-100-best-players-all-time/3785514002/

 

[RobinLFC]

@TheMagicFoolBus @RobinLFC
Here is a more recent list from 2019, when Brady was a six time Super Bowl champion with a near 20 year career. He is above LT and JB but he is still not number one. This is from the USA Today; I've tried to reference only reputable publications where you assume they would use experts. The point is not to say that Brady would not be number one in a revised list done today by a similar group of experts, the point is to illustrate that it would not be unanimous that Brady is number one when it comes to football players. If you're talking about quarterbacks then there would be near unanimity in saying he's number one quite obviously.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl-100/2019/10/01/nfl-100-best-players-all-time/3785514002/

For every list not having Brady #1 I can probably find tenfold of him being #1. The list also refers to "best football players" which doesn't equal GOAT imo. A debate can definitely be had who's been the best football player relative to their position, and I don't thin Brady would come out on top of that at all, he might not even been the best pure QB of his generation if you look at Manning, maybe Rodgers, now even Mahomes. But he is the GOAT for me, there are intangibles at play here as well and you can't explain his winning record, his achievements, his rings, and whatnot without conceding that his greatness is far bigger than anyone else's at this point. He has more rings than any other franchise - that's not something you luck yourself into.

I will happily concede that "who are not in 99% of the GOAT discussions" was quite the overstatement probably, but your comments last night really, really looked like you're a grumpy 65-year old who thinks the NFL was better 20-30 years ago, or even stopped watching a decade ago because of all the rule changes. The game has changed and you can't ignore that.

And I will also stand firm on the fact that LT or Brown > Brady is a bolder claim than LeBron > MJ.

 

[whitbyviking]

That's more than I thought at first glance for AAron.

Isn't the Fitzgerald Spielberger chart considered a bit dodgy? I've seen another article where they calculate the pick to be around #44 using the "traditional" pick values, which would seem more appropriate here.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Isn't the Fitzgerald Spielberger chart considered a bit dodgy? I've seen another article where they calculate the pick to be around #44 using the "traditional" pick values, which would seem more appropriate here.

If you mean the old Jimmy Johnson pick values, those are quite outdated - as revolutionary as that legend was.

 

[Andrade]

For every list not having Brady #1 I can probably find tenfold of him being #1. The list also refers to "best football players" which doesn't equal GOAT imo. A debate can definitely be had who's been the best football player relative to their position, and I don't thin Brady would come out on top of that at all, he might not even been the best pure QB of his generation if you look at Manning, maybe Rodgers, now even Mahomes. But he is the GOAT for me, there are intangibles at play here as well and you can't explain his winning record, his achievements, his rings, and whatnot without conceding that his greatness is far bigger than anyone else's at this point. He has more rings than any other franchise - that's not something you luck yourself into.

I will happily concede that "who are not in 99% of the GOAT discussions" was quite the overstatement probably, but your comments last night really, really looked like you're a grumpy 65-year old who thinks the NFL was better 20-30 years ago, or even stopped watching a decade ago because of all the rule changes. The game has changed and you can't ignore that.

And I will also stand firm on the fact that LT or Brown > Brady is a bolder claim than LeBron > MJ.

Interesting points. Couple of things: this whole 'he has more rings than any franchise' is a Super Bowl era record and the Super Bowl began in the late 60s. The late 60s was not that long ago in the grand scheme of things. If you factor in the entire history of the NFL then the Packers have 13 championships. Not saying 7 Super Bowls is not a heck of a lot, just adding context.

Also, I'm definitely not 65. I like the NFL as it is now but it is a much softer league than the one LT, Rice and especially Jim Brown played in.

I'm not sure what you mean re your distinction between 'GOAT' and best. I don't know how someone can be the greatest and not also the best (re your point on the QBs specifically)

Re: Lebron v Jordan, I disagree. To my mind, Lebron v Jordan only seems closer because it's a different sport. They both play offense and defense, they both score, assist, rebound, dribble, shoot, block, steal etc.

Football is different. The jobs are streamlined and very specialised. Imagine if Brady had to enter a competition where he went against Rice, Brown and LT where they all had to play QB, RB, wide receiver, tight end, OT, linebacker, DT, safety, corner, special teams etc. Brady would probably come bottom of every category except QB. So it's a different sport, it's not like basketball where direct comparisons are easier

 

[RobinLFC]

I'm not sure what you mean re your distinction between 'GOAT' and best. I don't know how someone can be the greatest and not also the best (re your point on the QBs specifically)

I think LeBron overall is a better basketball player than Jordan was, but Jordan is the greatest (and was more dominant in his prime).

Re: Lebron v Jordan, I disagree. To my mind, Lebron v Jordan only seems closer because it's a different sport. They both play offense and defense, they both score, assist, rebound, dribble, shoot, block, steal etc.

Football is different. The jobs are streamlined and very specialised. Imagine if Brady had to enter a competition where he went against Rice, Brown and LT where they all had to play QB, RB, wide receiver, tight end, OT, linebacker, DT, safety, corner, special teams etc. Brady would probably come bottom of every category except QB. So it's a different sport, it's not like basketball where direct comparisons are easier

We won't find common ground on that one I'm afraid - I strongly disagree on the first paragraph and the second one is a non-argument imo.

 

[Andrade]

I think LeBron overall is a better basketball player than Jordan was, but Jordan is the greatest (and was more dominant in his prime).


We won't find common ground on that one I'm afraid - I strongly disagree on the first paragraph and the second one is a non-argument imo.

Why do you think Lebron is a better basketball player than Michael Jordan? IMO he is not.

The second paragraph is not a non-argument. It goes some way to explaining why in the 2 lists I referenced, QBs were not top of the list and there was only one QB in the top four in both cases. It's not a sport just about QBs, although it is becoming more and more like that as time goes on.

 

[calodo2003]

I think LeBron overall is a better basketball player than Jordan was, but Jordan is the greatest (and was more dominant in his prime).


We won't find common ground on that one I'm afraid - I strongly disagree on the first paragraph and the second one is a non-argument imo.

Curious to know why you think James is a better basketball player than MJ.

e - just saw the above post by Andrade. Don't waste time also replying to me!