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To give him the benefit of the doubt, isn't he maybe trying to hurdle him, but then he realizes half-way through that the defender is not going low?
Good thread. I know some of you don't believe in advanced stats and metrics to assess the MVP race (which of course is fair enough), but I'd say they are part of the equation and they help us to get a better understanding of the importance of some players to their team.
He had the entire left side open to him. It's an easy score if he just runs to his left, but it seems like he deliberately seeks out Lanning for literally no reason other than to commit a random act of violence
He had the entire left side open to him. It's an easy score if he just runs to his left, but it seems like he deliberately seeks out Lanning for literally no reason other than to commit a random act of violence
Yeah, I might be extremely generous with that assumption. But absolutely electric play up until the kick, it has to be said.
I only believe in it, if the same methodology would have Adrian Peterson winning in 2012.
In all seriousness, these kinds of analyses have a tendency to become overly complicated and biased. In the thread they show a few of Brady's interceptions that aren't really his fault, but maybe you could say the same for a couple of Rodgers' picks? They also show a couple of Brady's game winning throws, but maybe Rodgers hasn't been in those situations because the game would have been won earlier? It all becomes a little bit abstract. Maybe if Rodgers has the best winning record, the best stats (at least a much better TD/INT ratio), and wins on the eye-test as well, he simply deserves the MVP? And this is coming from someone who would much prefer to see Brady winning it.
It was basically everything we know about Brown, the good and the bad, summed up in one play.
I've held the view that the Titans have been limping towards the finish line the latter stages of the season and were probably one of the least dangerous teams in the AFC in the playoffs.
But if they get Henry back fully healthy and they have a bye next week to get healed up all over their squad, damn. They could beat anyone.
Its this TD/INT ratio that really is skewing opinions. Take that out, and ignore the fact that Aaron just looks like a piece of art when moving around the pocket and his releases and his smooth passing, I don’t think there is a huge case for Rodgers. Brady has got it done just as much, bar for some reason a block against the Saints. We talk about Brady having great pieces and he does - but Rodgers and Jones are not exactly rubbish pieces. Not to mention a much better defence. Also add that Brady has more touchdowns and around a thousand more yards … I’m not sure it is as clear cut. I do agree somewhat that sometimes these analyses over complicate it. But if anyone is benefiting from bias it’s probably Rodgers right now. I’m not saying he wouldn’t be a deserved winner, but I do think the gap to him and Brady isn’t as large as the perception seems to be right now.
He had the entire left side open to him. It's an easy score if he just runs to his left, but it seems like he deliberately seeks out Lanning for literally no reason other than to commit a random act of violence
I struggle to think the cut back toward the kicker was on purpose to kick him at that point. I just think he made a bad call to cut back and should have gone down the left side. However, no way was he just trying to hurdle the kicker. Might have been the original plan but watch the bit again, he clearly extends his leg when his foot is going toward kickers head!
I had the Titans as toast because of injuries. But with the week bye, should they win this week, they are more than capable of matching up against the Chiefs or anyone in the AFC for that matter. I think I said in my post earlier somewhere that the Titans would be a challenging match up for a team like GB in the super bowl, too.
Agree that Rodgers has great pieces around him as well. Davante Adams is quite possibly the best WR in the league, for example. In terms of the yards, Brady has more because The Bucs throw the ball more often and because Rodgers has missed two games - Rodgers' yards pr. attempt is higher by 0.5, which is not insignificant.
I don't think you can say the TD/INT ratio is unfairly skewing opinion. Turnovers are so often the difference between winning and losing in the NFL, and 4 INTs from +500 attempts is outstanding, however you choose to look at it.
I get it's against "the spirit of the game" and all that but damn I really wanna see this happen to close out the regular season
Then one final trick play at the end of the game and you're toast, must be nerve-wrecking as a defense.Also where would the kneeling take place? I assume they'd agree to have a KO short of the endzone and then let the returner go to exactly midfield? Can't have all the kneeling taking place at your own 25-yard line.
Half expect Rodgers to start talking about the Green Bay Sweep.
By no means saying TD/INT ratio is insignificant - it absolutely isn’t, and is why many many people have Rodgers leading the race. It’s valued so highly that in every main other stat Brady leads, but by many is not considered close to Rodgers for challenging for MVP.
I’m not sure I look at YPA as that significant. If they had similar yardage and attempts then sure. But they don’t - and that’s even if Rodgers plays those two games. If anything it might suggest that the Bucs offence relies more on Brady to deliver than the Packers does Rodgers, in terms of Brady having more attempts.
I also don’t think we can start factoring in what Rodgers stats would be if he played those two games. The fact is he didn’t. For his own stupidity in some ways might I add. The MVO is about what was produced, not a theoretical production. Rodgers missing those two games can and should only count against him if anything.
I guess what I’m saying is Rodgers and Brady should both be viable contenders for MVP. But in my view it is skewing Rodgers more than it should because a) TD/INT is being overvalued (in my opinion) relative to other key QB metrics and stats, and b) recency bias means that the fact Brady started fast and slowed down, whereas Rodgers started slow and sped up, is also skewing opinions - although there is some importance I think which should be factored in to playing better down the stretch.
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TB is only one spot below GB in PA and 3 spots in YA.
That said, I don’t really care who wins. Just flip a coin between those two.
That’s interesting. Be interested to know the split between rush and passing yards allowed. On the eye the Bucs D has looked average all year. Perhaps the stout run D makes up for it. But wouldn’t have guessed they were that close overall which indeed is interesting.
I, too, am not overly fussed - although I would prefer Brady mainly cos I don’t like the antivaxxer on a personal level - but that should obviously not be a factor. Both deserve it for their play. The fact Brady is even in contention given his age is amazing.
One other thing I would say though is that it’s so easy to forget Rodgers isn’t exactly young himself. He’s no 44 year old but even at 38, the way he is still able to move and use his arm without being set to make throws is astonishing.
fecker throws the ball with impudence. It’s amazing / mesmerizing how nonchalant he seems at times.
TB: R-1463, P-3855
GB: R-1756, P-3419
We’ll go by yards per play instead of totals here:
- Rushing: TB 17th (4.3), GB 32nd (4.8)
- Passing [net yds/att]: TB 4th (5.7), GB 2nd (5.6)
Yah. Literally just a flick of the arm and whoosh, 35 yard bomb to Adams
I refuse to believe you can actually be this dumb yet can comprehend an entire NFL playbook.
Debatable to say the least (that he understands an NFL play book)
But cancel culture…
A stat that is shocking, yet doesn’t shock me one bit.
What a logistical challenge this would be…
Why would this be needed? Restrictions in LA?
Yep.
You have to think that the drop dead date for making a change would fast be approaching. But, there could be another ice storm / power grid fiasco in Texas, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Miami, Tampa, & Jacksonville also were / are going to be contacted.
Yeah, and the last SB there was brutally cold. I’d be looking at Vegas: new stadium, huge hotel capacity, used to accommodating big events, etc.
Great call. Didn’t think about Vegas. Florida’s had the last two, Vegas would probably be the front runner for many reasons.
They were due one, so you just swap LA and Vegas’ spot. That would also apply to Phoenix. Of course, it is a little more complicated than that…
If this does occur please, for the love of dog, please no freak winter weather storm leading up to the weekend of the game.
I think @Organic Potatoes has it correct mentioning Vegas or Phoenix for this very reason.
Fine with me if in Vegas this year. Be the second straight year I was within short driving distance of the Super Bowl location.
Post flyover pics again.
He's also released a statement in the meantime. Not sure whether this convo is real of course, but AB seems to have a proper defense case here. That is, for a reason why he went ballistic. Not necessarily that it's the right way to react to such a thing
He's also released a statement in the meantime. Not sure whether this convo is real of course, but AB seems to have a proper defense case here. That is, for a reason why he went ballistic. Not necessarily that it's the right way to react to such a thing
American Football and legal drama
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